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Pols see polls point to Romney triumph; ‘hidden vote’ to crush Obama
Washington Times ^ | October 31, 2012 | Ralph Z Hallow

Posted on 11/01/2012 3:13:29 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

The tidal wave of anti-debt, anti-big-government voters that swamped Democrats in the 2010 congressional elections is readying itself again, poised to sweep Mitt Romney into the Oval Office, some political observers say.

“It’s very, very likely,” veteran Republican campaign pollster John McLaughlin said, predicting a Romney tsunami Tuesday.

“Romney has surged in all the target states,” Mr. McLaughlin said. “The undecided vote is not really undecided. They overwhelmingly disapprove of the job the president has done and will largely vote against the incumbent. It’s a hidden vote that will vote against the president.”

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; antibiggovernment; antidebt; coattails; freedomvote; gallup; landslidevictory; msmmeltdown; obamameltdown; romneytsunami; stopsocialism Comment #1 Removed by Moderator

To: SoFloFreeper

Lots of mainstream media fawning over Obama, Christie, and oversampled polls....here is a reasonable alternative.


2 posted on 11/01/2012 3:15:44 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

The MSM thinks Obama is the Comeback Kid.

In their alternative universe, perhaps.

The rest of us would be only too happy to see him goosed out of the Oval Office!


3 posted on 11/01/2012 3:24:29 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SoFloFreeper

In poker do you tell the other guy what your ‘really’ holding? No.
In combat do you give up your location
to the enemy before taking your shot? No.
When hunting deer do you yell out really loud before taking your shot? No.

It’s ok to tell your team where they stand not the other team.


4 posted on 11/01/2012 3:25:35 AM PDT by Morris70
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To: SoFloFreeper
Could this be like the Ronald Reagan landslide of 1980? He won 489 to Carter's 49 electorial votes. Won 44 states. Notice the North East states Reagan took as well.


5 posted on 11/01/2012 3:34:36 AM PDT by Evil Slayer ((Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....))
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To: SoFloFreeper
Is the GOP relying on a sudden, undocumented, “surge of enthusiastic Republican voters” to wash Obama from the White House? This is not a sound policy. Is it based on wishfull thinking or do pundits really perceive a mass GOP vote? How realistic is this?
6 posted on 11/01/2012 3:41:34 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: SoFloFreeper
This is even better. Reagan 1984 landslide over Mondale. Reagan won 525 to Mondale's 13 electorial votes. Carried 49 states. Mondale only won his home state of Minnesota.


7 posted on 11/01/2012 3:44:12 AM PDT by Evil Slayer ((Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....))
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To: SoFloFreeper
             ' Crush '

My name is tomkat, and I approve of this outcome !

8 posted on 11/01/2012 3:45:39 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Netz

It is based on the last election (2010) and early voting statistics...not wishful thinking.


9 posted on 11/01/2012 3:51:45 AM PDT by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.


10 posted on 11/01/2012 4:00:23 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Netz

Obama = Carter. Obama worse than Carter. Romney = Reagan (sort of). Result = tsunami vote against Obama.


11 posted on 11/01/2012 4:09:19 AM PDT by Evil Slayer ((Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....))
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To: Netz
It is documented, they just don't want to believe it is coming.

The same thing happened in 2010 and in the WI recall, they were amazed at the GOP vote.

12 posted on 11/01/2012 4:16:23 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Netz
Internals!

Look at the internals of the polls that have Obama even or up one and you tell me that the dems have the same enthusiasm or more than 2008. Please, in what reality is that going to happen today. You can already see in early voting that Obama does not have the same mojo.

Then take into account when they are polling blue states they get 8-11% telling the pollster they are undecided 5 days out from the election...tell me in what year you have seen that...Uh no, at most this last week, there is 1-3% undecided and you have a lot of people who are not telling pollsters they are either not going to vote or refusing to tell that pollster in a dem state who they are going to vote for. I would be a little worried about those votes if I was a dem.

The next little trick you need to look for is how much they over sample women.

One more thing to really get you to think about momentum....when a presidents party looses big in mid-term elections he almost always goes on to loose.

13 posted on 11/01/2012 4:16:37 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Netz
Mitt will stomp obama’s arse. Why do you believe those that you know for an absolute fact have lied to you about everything in America and around the world for the past 4 years? Who do you trust... la slimes... ny slimes... cbs... abc... nbc... ppp... tipp... a political science class at the University of Iowa and all of their dim allies that own and run those entities... or Rasmussen and Gallup who are independent businesses with many years of polling experience? We have shown you the internals... we have explained how these polls are skewed for political reasons... GREAT POLITICAL SCIENTISTS like Michael Barone have stated clearly that Mitt will win... if you like supersition... Republicans have not lost a Presidential election since 1840 that happens on November 6... the University of Colorado have a formula that has NEVER failed and they say Mitt will win... Karl Rove says Mitt will win! NOTHING in this life is certain but it is better to be where Mitt is than being a failed sitting president at 47% max... so why with all the negative vibes?

LLS

14 posted on 11/01/2012 4:18:26 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (OUR GOVERNMENT AND PRESS ARE NO LONGER TRUSTWORTHY OR DESERVING OF RESPECT!)
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To: fortheDeclaration

As well as Bob McDonnell`s thumping of Creigh Deeds on 2009. Going into election day, polls indicated a 9-12 point margin, but McDonnell won by 18+.

We GOPers, Conservatives and other patriots have control over the destiny of this country. If we want Obama gone badly enough, we`ll overrun the dems not only for the White House, but the Senate as well. It can be done if we`re sufficiently motivated.. we`ll soon find out.


15 posted on 11/01/2012 4:29:25 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Pray hard!)
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To: Evil Slayer

U.S. demographics have changed a lot since 1984. Bluntly put, there’s not enough white voters today for the GOP to ever duplicate Reagan’s curb stomp of Carter and then Mondale. Still, Hussein is going down.


16 posted on 11/01/2012 4:31:29 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (If I had a failed one-term President, he'd look like Obama.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’m seeing lib comments on Yahoo spinning a Romney win. They are blaming Obama’s loss on public disgust of gridlock caused by Republicans.


17 posted on 11/01/2012 4:50:28 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Lady Heron
OK, I have received enough feedback from several folks, thank you all. I am hopeful that Romney SMOTHERS Obama but I just hate getting over confident, that's all. It's almost like, too good to be true. How do we know that Obama will not sabotage something here? As the old saying goes in the Middle East, from your mouths to G-d”...
18 posted on 11/01/2012 5:06:02 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Netz

National polls show Romney winning independents by double digits. Large sample polls by Gallup and Rasmussen also show the turnout this year will be more Republican than Democrat.

However, pollsters still cling to turnout assumptions that are not simply equal to the Democrat 2008 turnout numbers (the Democrats’ high water mark historically), but well in excess of that number.

You win independents by double digits, and you’re looking at a landslide.


19 posted on 11/01/2012 5:27:47 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Support hate crime laws: Because some victims are more equal than others.)
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To: Dagnabitt
“U.S. demographics have changed a lot since 1984. Bluntly put, there’s not enough white voters today for the GOP to ever duplicate Reagan’s curb stomp of Carter and then Mondale. Still, Hussein is going down.”

In actuality in the last 28 years, there has been a orchestrated indoctrination of an entire generation of Americans to a liberal mindset. The Department of Education, established and staffed during the Carter administration has, through its dispensing of Federal Education dollars, led the charge. The NEA, at first, and then the AFT have jumped on board.

Those who lived through the Carter years, prayed that Americans would not in the future, vote for liberalism again, especially after the Carter experience.

Time dims memories, and the older and wiser generation that fought socialism prior to and during WWII began to die out. The young radicals of the 60’s, who rejected their parents’ values, moved into positions of power, and little by little started dictating their new version of “truth”. The rally cry in the late 60’s and early 70’s was that “The media is the message”. So they took over the means of dispensing the message. Fortunately the public has alternate means to obtain the truth, other than the MSM.

Hopefully on Tuesday, when the American voters reject the Obama version of community organizing, socialism, and outright Marxism, we will turn from the current nightmare, and have a new birth of freedom, and responsibility.

Unfortunately socialist are deeply dedicated to the imposition of their desire for a socialist state, and will use any means to obtain that end. All you have to do is look at the reemergence of socialism in Russia, and the present Institutional Presidency with its many socialist czars, with no accountability to the American voter.

Restore
Our
American
Republic

R.O.A.R

20 posted on 11/01/2012 5:30:45 AM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: mikey_hates_everything
"They are blaming Obama’s loss on public disgust of gridlock caused by Republicans."

Yeah, the voters hate what those darn rascally Republicans did so much, why they voted many, many more of them into power! LOL!!

21 posted on 11/01/2012 5:33:42 AM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

What is Best in Life, Romney ??

To crush Barack Obama. . .
To see him driven before you. . .
And to hear the lamentations of the Democrats. . .

That is Good!!


22 posted on 11/01/2012 5:35:25 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: Netz

The “hidden vote” are folks (primarily white) who bought into Obama’s hope and change rhetoric in ‘08 but now have serious buyer’s remorse. However, they don’t cotton to the idea of being called a racist for changing their vote, so they’ve primarily kept quiet. But their millions of votes will speak volumes.


23 posted on 11/01/2012 5:36:10 AM PDT by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: Evil Slayer

Do you know what the popular vote percentages were in those two landslides? I have predicted a 358-180 electoral win for Romney with a 55%-45% popular vote. (I know - I am a cockeyed optimist.) I wonder if my two predictions are compatible.


24 posted on 11/01/2012 5:36:49 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: SoFloFreeper
Pols see polls point to Romney triumph; ‘hidden vote’ to crush Obama

LOL! Gotta love the MSM's sad attempt to emotionally manipulate the masses!

‘hidden vote’ to crush - Like there is something dark, sinister and dangerous lurking in the electoral shadows.

25 posted on 11/01/2012 5:40:11 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Thane_Banquo
“However, pollsters still cling to turnout assumptions that are not simply equal to the Democrat 2008 turnout numbers (the Democrats’ high water mark historically), but well in excess of that number.”

With voter fraud in 2008, some areas had more votes than registered voters, especially in large Democratic controlled urban areas. Do we really think that they won't do this again? We really need an energized turnout to offset the type of fraud that took place in 2008.

Chavez actually lost in Venezuela, but then those who counted the votes took over the election. Will we have the same type of scenario occur here in the US? Wasn't Jimmy Carter part of a UN election monitoring team in Venezuela? didn't he put his seal of approval on the corrupt vote? Hasn't the current administration invited the UN to monitor our election

Look at what happened in Minnesota when the Democratic machine kept recounting the votes until Al Franken won. There has to be an enormous flood of conscientious, conservative voters on Tuesday.

26 posted on 11/01/2012 5:43:33 AM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
United States presidential election, 1984

Reagan 54,455,472

Mondale 37,577,352

Percentage 58.8% to 40.6%

United States presidential election, 1980

Reagan 43,903,230

Carter 35,480,115

Percentages 50.7% to 41.0%

27 posted on 11/01/2012 5:49:39 AM PDT by Evil Slayer ((Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....))
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To: Evil Slayer

Thanks. I would say my slightly less landslidey predictions for the electoral and popular splits could work.


28 posted on 11/01/2012 5:53:35 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Add on....

John Anderson (I) took away 5,719,850 popular and 6.6% in 1980.

29 posted on 11/01/2012 5:54:30 AM PDT by Evil Slayer ((Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....))
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To: Evil Slayer

Is the 1984 Reagan rout the worst in election history?


30 posted on 11/01/2012 5:55:17 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: workerbee

YES http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1984


31 posted on 11/01/2012 5:59:29 AM PDT by Evil Slayer ((Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....))
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To: SoFloFreeper

295 R, 243 O


32 posted on 11/01/2012 6:02:39 AM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (I AM ANDREW BREITBART)
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To: Dagnabitt
Bluntly put, there’s not enough white voters today for the GOP to ever duplicate Reagan’s curb stomp of Carter and then Mondale...

Self-interest is the ultimate motivator. The history of our country shows that immigrants (legal or otherwise) eventually move into the middle-class. As they do, the same self-interest for themselves and family push them to the things conservatives believe in. Yes, the demographics are changing, But the demographic members are also changing. That's why the Democrats have to keep bringing in more and more immigrants. They MUST replace all those immigrants who become Americanized and Capitalized---and begin to vote Republican because that is who they have become!

33 posted on 11/01/2012 6:24:54 AM PDT by PrinceOfCups (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their party....)
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To: Yulee
"In actuality in the last 28 years, there has been a orchestrated indoctrination of an entire generation of Americans to a liberal mindset. "

Don't forget that we Americans have a tendancy to rebel against that type of effort. The real counter-culture these days are the conservative youth. There are more than most people think.

34 posted on 11/01/2012 6:33:47 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: goldstategop

He’s not running against Bob Doleful.


35 posted on 11/01/2012 6:33:57 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Yulee

First item on the agenda for the new administration: VOTER REFORM


36 posted on 11/01/2012 6:43:42 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: workerbee

I think it may be the largest EV total, perhaps the largest EV percentage (maybe Roosevelt’s was higher in ‘36, I don’t know). As far as PV goes, it was not a record. Johnson’s clobbering of Goldwater in ‘64 is still the largest PV percentage, at least in modern elections (Washington’s was higher, but that wasn’t much of a contest).


37 posted on 11/01/2012 6:48:07 AM PDT by chimera
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To: tired&retired
First item on the agenda for the new administration: VOTER REFORM

The first item had better be kicking every last one of Obozo's unelected "czars" and their minions to kingdom come!!

I don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves -- let's get the election over with first. But conservatives will need to watch Romney very carefully in those first few months. His actions (or lack thereof) dismantling the Marxist sub-government will be telling.

38 posted on 11/01/2012 6:58:17 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: ScottinVA
Beginning with McDonnell/Deeds, then Wisconsin's Walker election and union busting vote, then recall, then 2010 mid-terms, culminating with Chik-Fil-A day.....the tsunami continues. There is nothing, nothing to indicate a reversal.

The over/under on Obie electorals is 100.

39 posted on 11/01/2012 7:03:12 AM PDT by chiller (Sky is the limit with max T-Partiers in the House and Senate to stifle the RINOs)
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To: Netz

“Is the GOP relying on a sudden, undocumented, “surge of enthusiastic Republican voters” to wash Obama from the White House? This is not a sound policy. Is it based on wishfull thinking or do pundits really perceive a mass GOP vote? How realistic is this? “

Nope. The GOP is basing its strategy on private, internal polling, which is conducted to paint an accurate picture with the aim of optimally directing resources and strategy, and paying no attention whatsoever to public polling whose primary function is to either 1.) Help Obama win the election by misleading and confusing people, 2.) Keep people tuning in to the media outlets because the election is “close”, or 3.) Both of the above.


40 posted on 11/01/2012 7:06:04 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

If this is a hidden vote, it’s hiding in plain sight.


41 posted on 11/01/2012 7:11:07 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear". (Glenn Beck))
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To: workerbee
Bury the fools next week, then look at an overhaul. US finances demand major change. Yes, libs are correct; The time for sacrifice is now.

Let's "sacrifice" all the extras government has given us. Cut departments of Energy, Education, Agriculture for starters. Cut, combine, merge, eliminate.. Post Office....there's no limit.

The pending economic boom--kicked off with Mitt's energy policy--makes all things possible.

42 posted on 11/01/2012 7:15:56 AM PDT by chiller (Sky is the limit with max T-Partiers in the House and Senate to stifle the RINOs)
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To: Netz
OK, I have received enough feedback from several folks, thank you all

Sorry, don't work that way 'round here, pilgrim.
You've had 'enough' when we say you've had enough !


(with, not at ;-)

43 posted on 11/01/2012 7:24:17 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: workerbee

I believe the electoral vote for George Washington in 1788 was unanimous.


44 posted on 11/01/2012 10:00:38 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Michael Barone on Megyn Kelly’s Noon show on FOX made a good case for the “hidden” vote to be due to the lack of polling of voters who only have cell phones.

Barone’s reasoning was that since it is more expensive to poll cell phone owners, this segment of the voter pool is under sampled.

Any FReeper out there who might add that video to this thread? It happened about 1240 hours.


45 posted on 11/01/2012 11:58:04 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Yulee
"Minnesota when the Democratic machine kept recounting the votes until Al Franken won."

but if those idiotic "constitution" party voters would have voted republican, there would have been no recount, no funny business....

46 posted on 11/01/2012 12:07:16 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Dagnabitt

Maybe you’re missing something...
As long as two years ago, the bloom was off the rose as far as working blacks is concerned.
The shop where my husband worked only had a couple “Bitter dem clingers”. The rest were totally disgusted with THE one.


47 posted on 11/01/2012 7:42:59 PM PDT by bog trotter
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