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Panetta Says Risk Impeded Deployment to Benghazi (Admin has painted itself into a corner)
New York Times ^ | 10/25/2012 | ELISABETH BUMILLER

Posted on 10/28/2012 9:11:36 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush

WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta said Thursday that he and top military commanders “felt very strongly” that deploying American forces to defend against the fatal attack last month on the United States diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, was too risky because they did not have a clear picture of what was happening on the ground.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: benghazi; deptofdefense; libya; panetta; panetta4alqaeda; panettatheweak; waronterror; yellowpanetta
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To: Tennessean4Bush

He previously said they didn’t have real-time assessment to determine whether to go in or not. Now he’s saying the risk was too great. Which is it Leon??? You knew, or you didn’t know? Or you knew, and chose to ignore? My bets on the last option.


51 posted on 10/28/2012 9:51:00 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Robert DeLong
You wouldn’t need to put boots on the ground. Air support would have aided.

The mortar had been targeted. A laser guided bomb would have wiped out most of the attack.

Additional troops could have been brought in after the perimeter of the consulate had been cleared of attackers by multiple sorties.

I know the capabilities of our Air Force pilots. I served with them for four years in Germany.

52 posted on 10/28/2012 9:52:50 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush; Gaffer; Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears; no-to-illegals; All

“Understandment” wow, a Bushism, I meant understatement. ;-)


53 posted on 10/28/2012 9:53:35 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

You should vote for Obama then.


54 posted on 10/28/2012 9:53:54 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Oh yeah. It’s all about ‘risk assessment’.. something the voters never had the benefit of in 2008 when it comes to how the media vetted&covered OBama.

Leon, you been around awhile.. maybe that’s the problem.

Ever notice how ol’ lieberals really mess things up on a regular basis? genetic? hmmmm..

sad, good people died becuz others didn’t think they were ‘worth the risk’. telling.. very telling.


55 posted on 10/28/2012 9:56:50 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: TigerClaws
Obama met at 5 pm with Panetta and made the call to NOT intervene.////

In essence, this puts our consulates in greater danger. It signals al-qaeda, they can attack in similar circumstances and the U. S. will not respond.

It is a truly dangerous signal. Lives will be lost because of it.

56 posted on 10/28/2012 9:57:11 AM PDT by Know et al (The greatest argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with a voter: Churchill)
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To: kabar
For most of us, the security of Americans under Obama's command outweighed any other perceived risks. There were 30 American lives at stake.
This is the reaction the White House hopes you will have. Stop falling for it. Keep your eye on the ball: Panetta saying is a defacto admission that the Adminstration lied to the American people and the world starting 3 days later and for two weeks.
57 posted on 10/28/2012 9:59:47 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Kinda hard to convince me that they don’t know what is happening on the ground when they have a live video feed from a predator, also live video from the embassy cameras, and the spot it being circled by an AC130 Spector giving them live black and white feed.

I mean, How much data do you have to have to understand the embassy is under attack!

How much risk would it have been to the Spectre to take out the Mortars that was lazer targeted for them?

ZERO

Just like the integrity of this President and his staff... zero.


58 posted on 10/28/2012 10:02:18 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

They said they would move heaven and earth to kill bin Laden, but wouldn’t lift a finger to save our Ambassador and contractors.


59 posted on 10/28/2012 10:05:15 AM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
then they CANNOT come out three days later and say for the next two weeks that they know what caused it and it is a video that sparked a spontaneous demonstration!

Of course they can, and they did. It's all lies of course, but governance by lying has been the hallmark of this Administration. In this case, they don't care if the truth comes out so long as it occurs after Election Day. The walls are crumbling, but they still have Hurricane Sandy. At least they have that going for them.

60 posted on 10/28/2012 10:05:59 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Other than the drones, it sounds like nothing else was deployed. Even if you were concerned that other assets might become casualties, there seems to be no evidence that they even attempted to alert the cavalry. Plus they had no concern that air only assets might become casualties during the take down of Qaddafi when he still had some degree of functional AA capability, so why now? It appears these people were allowed to die because of politics, and yet on the Sunday shows the Obama defenders cry that raising this issue is due to politics. If he gets reelected then the final firewall to stopping a bad president will have failed.
61 posted on 10/28/2012 10:06:36 AM PDT by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Where was the risk aversion when:

You had an ambassador and communication professional (Smith) who were guarded by the ‘February 17th Martyrs Brigade’.

Were they trafficking heavy arms to Syria? Probably. We’re they doing something hinky? Definitely.

Was what they were doing likely the province of the CIA? Most definitely.

Had people, including Stevens, raised alarm bells about the lack of security? Yup!

Was the CIA looking in on outright incompetence, while literally within earshot of rifle fire? Yes!


62 posted on 10/28/2012 10:07:48 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Tennessean4Bush

this is the worst cover up, worse than watergate by an administration and by the media.

Never in my life and I thought I had seen a lot even with fast and furious but this beats them all, .


63 posted on 10/28/2012 10:08:09 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

nonone has asked this question and it needs to be asked.

WHERE WAS OBAMA?
WAS HE SLEEPING OR DID HE GO TO SLEEP DURING THE ATTACK?
DID HE WATCH THE ATTACKS AND THEN LEAVE OTHERS TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE?
DID HE AND HIS CAMPAIGN DECIDE ON THE LIES AND WHAT TO SAY?

WHY IS THE GUY WHO MADE THE VIDEOAND USED BY A SCAPEGOAT STILL IN JAIL OR MISSING?


64 posted on 10/28/2012 10:10:35 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Enough of the spin from this administration. POTUS said he issued three "very clear directives" to do whatever we need to do to secure personnel at the consulate. Where are they?
65 posted on 10/28/2012 10:11:15 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Why was the Obozo regime so willing to let the ambassador fall into terrorist hands or be murdered? They were committed to letting him die from the very beginning of the attack. We know this because they told Ty Woods to stand down three times in the first minutes of the attack. What is the regime trying to hide from us in Benghazi? Why did these scumbags turn their backs and abandon our people in Benghazi and then blatantly lie about it for three weeks? It's too bad Hillary, Berry, and Leone weren't the ones stuck in that building in Benghazi.
66 posted on 10/28/2012 10:13:58 AM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Your point is well taken.

If it was a spontaneous demonstration in which people were dying, the military would not have been averse to helping out.

However, if they knew if was an act of war with RPG's, mortars, etc. and thus were worried about going in it shows they knew it was not just a "demonstration".

They're either lying or cowards.

67 posted on 10/28/2012 10:17:02 AM PDT by what's up
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To: driftdiver
So it was too risky for Delta force, jet fighters, and the AC130 but not too risky for an unarmed Ambassador and his staff.

No, I believe it was too risky for the political aspirations of the administration.

68 posted on 10/28/2012 10:17:06 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Been suppressing it in my mind, but there was a time I was in the same boat as the guys at Benghazi - it was the night of 20–21 August 1968, there we were on a hillside watching a road in Czechoslovakia and here came the Russian Army with tanks and trucks, and thousands of troops ~ and the only thing between us and them was a minefield designed to stop civilians.

We reported the event up the line.

They got back to us 6 days later with some orders ~ thank goodness there was no running battle going on ~ our machinegun was broken so all we had were 6 rounds each plus our pistols ~ if we had been issued a pistol.

What made me mad ~ and the only thing ~ was this young buck Lieutenant with us who didn't want to call in the event. His argument was it was just a road and it was in a foreign country, and they ran tanks and trucks up and down it all the time ~ our argument was that 500 motor vehicles in a couple of hours was NOT NORMAL so our orders were to report it.

Besides, like I just noted, we were low on ammunition.

George McGovern lost my vote of course ~ and that of all the other guys out there on that observation point, and probably most of the guys in USAREUR in the '68 election.

Wasn't supposed to be any war going on in Europe that year ~ they promised ~ and there it was ~ a hair's breadth away ~ our jets and their migs nose to nose along the border from the Baltic to the Mediterranean, and a thin tripwire of expendable guys down on the ground.

The Democrats were in charge that time too ~ blew it bad. They are not educable.

69 posted on 10/28/2012 10:22:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: driftdiver

Geeze, just buzzing the area with F-15s (or similar) is enough to intimidate a bunch of terrorsit soldiers. Those planes are intimidating and would certainly worry the terrorist that more was on the way....even if really wasn’t..couldn’t even do that.


70 posted on 10/28/2012 10:22:35 AM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Stop falling for what? That they lied about the ability to actually intervene with armed air support? His statement about Monday morning quarterbacking and not sending people into harm's way without have good intel are indicative of the fact that he could have acted.

If the WH wants people to believe that they believed the risks were too great to rescue Americans under attack, then they are insane.

71 posted on 10/28/2012 10:25:20 AM PDT by kabar
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To: driftdiver; Tennessean4Bush

Yes you are!

Nice to see the Slimes is “waking” up. The problem is there was NO Consulate in Benghazi, none what so ever or a diplomatic site. The Consulate is in Tripoli out of the Embassy!!

The Benghazi site was a huge “secret” cesspool of CIA gun-running operation to Syria via Turkish agents and spearheaded by the American Ambassador. The W.H. was not Interested in saving the people there trying to bury the truth of this operation being published to the American People (a stupid Video) like they are stone walling F & F. There are a lot of traitors in DOD and the W.H. where particular we have a WAR CRIMINAL sitting!!!


72 posted on 10/28/2012 10:29:02 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

You’ll notice this article is from 10/25. About 5 min.
later, i suppose the NYT got the call ordering the
benghazi blackout. There hasn’t been anything since. This
will be a watershed moment for the meaning of a free press,
as established in our Bill of Rights. Ironically, this
has occurred at the same time in history as the emergence
of an alternative media and citizen journalism,via the
internet.

I have to believe its part of God’s plan for this country.

I can only imagine what Andrew Breitbart would be saying
about this right now.


73 posted on 10/28/2012 10:34:34 AM PDT by americas.best.days...
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To: danamco

Just remember Clint Eastwood’s later comment: “This is the biggest hoax perpetrated on the American People!!!

I wonder how Hollyweird will produce a movie of this cover up like Hank in “Private Ryan”???


74 posted on 10/28/2012 10:34:56 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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75 posted on 10/28/2012 10:35:46 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=om93destr)
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To: gleeaikin
It wouldn't have risked anything to have buzzed the compound area with a couple of F18s. It might have put a little “this-attack-is-a-bad-idea” in the attackers minds!
Any hesitation on their part would have increased the chance of a rescue and/or successful on ground intervention.

It seems their was a armed predator on station, someone laser painting targets from the roof of the “CIA annex” and a AC-130 gunship. Depending on what the predator was armed with (Let's say 2 Hellfires!) it might have been enough. The attacking force was NOT in the 100s maybe maybe a few dozen. A Hellfire strike at the proper moment at the right spot might have turned the attack immediately into a retreat. Four or five of your pals turned into pink mist from out of no where does prey on the mind! Then there is the gunship, it alone could have ended it immediately.

What was missing was the will to act! Why?
Incompetence? Certainly! I don't care? Likely! That's pure Zero and his rampant narcissism! Nothing surprising there!
Not enough intelligence? pure BS on Panetta's part! His positive paragraph in history on getting UBL, just got wiped out!

Again Hillary's incompetence and moral callousness is out there for the world to see! Keeping the stupid explanation going that it was all caused by the video! Telling Tyrone Woods' father (the ex-Seal) that 'they would punish the video maker!' shows again her complete lack of empathy for others and desire to keep her "political viability" alive. (Clintons love being "politically viable"!) She is through now for 2016 and forever!

Why does anyone think this Hillary is a political genius? (Or any other sort of genius!) She is the ultimate strap hanger!

76 posted on 10/28/2012 10:40:59 AM PDT by Reily (l)
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To: Diogenesis
“too risky” is simply a euphemism for “Our arms transfer to al Qaeda might be discovered” or

“Our use of terrorists working for the State Dept might be discovered” or

“Our treason against America might be discovered”

or, of course, all of the above.


Oh, this is a 1st grade post and deserves highlighting . . . Thank you.
77 posted on 10/28/2012 10:41:49 AM PDT by Tomato lover ( 'My soul, wait thou only upon God!')
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To: gleeaikin

Black Hawk Down only happened in the first place because Clinton didn’t like the optics of using tanks against blacks.

Black Hawk Down is what happens when Presidents pussy-foot around for political reasons.

The military’s job is to kill and break things. The military’s job is to prevail. The only thing that could stop your military from prevailing against 200 rag-heads was the weak sister in the White House.

Well, look what happened. The weak sister got four men killed.

At the very least we must make the White House OWN this debacle, and not excuse Bambi’s moral cowardice because ‘war is dangerous’.


78 posted on 10/28/2012 10:45:42 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Government creates nothing" - Romney, 2012)
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To: Tomato lover
I think its much simpler then that!

How about:
“ I am much more interested in maintaining my own power and all its perks rather then do the right thing and resign.
Also if I resign I betray the Zero regime reelection chances and the Rat party. This would preclude me from future Rat political appointments where I would get power and perks that I love so well.”

79 posted on 10/28/2012 10:49:14 AM PDT by Reily (l)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

obama had repeated over and over at the beginning of the Libyan uprising that he would never put “boots on the ground”. That could be one reason he “stood down”. The actual word should be “backed down”.


80 posted on 10/28/2012 10:51:03 AM PDT by Terry Mross (To former friends and relatives. Don't ever contact me if you still support obama.)
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To: kabar

The damning thing - and damning to all sides - is the intentional and persistent lies from the admin in the next few weeks saying that it was a spontaneous demonstration sparked by a video. Panetta has now unwittingly admitted this was a lie. Everyone who is focused on that will agree that they willfully deceived the American people and the world for weeks. You and I are in agreement that what Panetta says now shows cowardice at best. But not everyone will agree to that, especially soccer moms. Everyone, however, will agree once they put two and two together that the admin lied consciously and persistently for two weeks. Panetta is counting on the fact that this will devolve into a classic hawk versus dove argument for the next week. And one more week is all they need.


81 posted on 10/28/2012 10:55:08 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: what's up
They're either lying or cowards.
At the risk of putting too fine a point on this -- they are lying. They may or may not be cowards. And, they are hoping that for the next week they can allow us to vent along the classic and well worn hawk versus dove battle lines. They are happy to let all who are focused on Benghazi do just that for one more week. What I am saying is that if we focus our debating energy on them being cowards, we will miss the wide open flank they have left on what all would agree on is that they lied. They are hoping no one will put two and two together.
82 posted on 10/28/2012 11:08:53 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Panetta is a foggy bottom todie from way back, in addition to being a very “useful idiot” for some very well known California Marxists his whole “public service” career.

A few days ago he was promoting the line (FOR the White House) that they lacked sufficient Intel to act.

Now that claim has been morphed into a claim of too much risk to act.

The former can be held to be a cause of the latter, but most likely, from the evidence so far, only if the risk of ANY casualities by the rescuers was too much risk on the basis of a ton of second guessing about what was not known, in addition to what was known.

If zero casualties by the rescuers was the risk that was too high, then that as much as said the lives of the victims of the attack were not worth ANY rescue effort, or even any aid in their defense, because THAT, AID IN THEIR DEFENSE, NOT “rescue” necessarily was what they were asking for. In fact some of the best available assistance that was not brought to their aid was assistance from the air, to blast the nests of the attackers around our victims, so that they might even have a chance of pulling themselves away from the area.

Someone said no.

Who EXACTLY said NO and WHO had the final approval of that and who even later accepted that call as O.K.

Those are the questions every American should expect answers to.


83 posted on 10/28/2012 11:30:01 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: danamco

What’s going to be said when the first commercial airliner is downed by one the “lost” Man-Pads?”


84 posted on 10/28/2012 11:30:17 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Son House
"And Mr Panetta, does the Fire Department wait and see how big a fire gets before they go out on a call for help? "

Contrast this administration's talk and actions with the Police Officers and Fire Department heroes in the first 9/11 terrorist attack.    Back then, they didn't say it was too risky to go in to the towers, because they might not come out.    They just went in, and saved many lives.

B.O. must go.

85 posted on 10/28/2012 12:03:52 PM PDT by Heart-Rest (God Bless America)
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To: Tennessean4Bush; All
Report: Obama Watched Benghazi Attack From 'Situation Room'

Justice with Judge Jeanine 10/27/12 - CIA talks about latest news about Benghazi coverup

Judge Jeanine speaking with Charles Woods, father of Benghazi slain SEAL Ty Woods

Judge Jeanine asks White House 'How do you sleep at night'

86 posted on 10/28/2012 12:08:22 PM PDT by Larousse2 (The price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

If you want to get more military insight into Benghazi and other military issues, I recommend the radio show on KFI LA AM 640 8-10 Sat and Sunday nights, Brian Suits, A Dark Secret Place.


87 posted on 10/28/2012 12:08:31 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Panetta’s actions can always be understood in light of his history in the Senate of being an anti-military democrat hack. Since Obamuzzie’s goal is reduction of the military Panetta is an appropriate choice. What’s disgusting is watching him try to “talk a good game “ of defense.


88 posted on 10/28/2012 12:14:05 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: TigerClaws

Admiral Clapper? Is the DNI getting set up?


89 posted on 10/28/2012 12:51:54 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: gleeaikin
God bless you and your Son, I thank him for his service. Unfortunately, you have been misled by the disinformation campaigns of the New Left (let's abbreviate it NLDC).

In order to understand what the New Left is, you will have to start googling the phrase "New Left" and researching, following links and reading.

Unfortunately failure to send correct assets is and equal politician flaw. My son was in Gulf War I, in Saudi Arabia a week after the Kuwait invasion by SH. He was there 8 months and took part in the assault into Iraq. In December 2002 I asked him how many troops he felt should be sent in by Bush. He said 450,000. At the time Shinsecki was in the process of being fired for arguing we should have over 300,000. Then after a year of a big mess in Iraq, Bremmer said we should have had 1/2 million. Siiigh!!

Look the loss ratio, that is key: America kicked Iraq's @ss. Part of the NLDC is to get America to back down, second guess themselves, worry about spending too much, worry about potential lives lost.

Now that my son is in Afghanistan AGAIN (spent 8 months there in 2006), I am really pixxed that we didn’t finish the job in Afghanistan instead of the Iraq side trip.

Think about that nation - it is too backward to have military targets other than individual Taliban for the most parts. We ran out of bombardment targets quickly. The Taliban and associated groups can move from country to country. Unless they were completely eradicated, they will always come back; they have modern weapons and are determined, agressive and tricky, and Afghanistan is a big country with places to hide. The Afghan people are all muslims, but perhaps would be ambivolent to foreigners because they are so simple. They do not have the concept of rule of law that Western Civilization has so Afghanistan will never be "safe" for Westerners. The trouble is we can train them to be able to keep out foreign fighters by giving them modern ideas and military techniques, but at the end of the day, revolutionary ideas are pushed into societies by NLDP anyway - after all, they've invaded America as well. They actually need the Gospel more than anything else.

All politicians have their own agenda. We know Obama’s, but I fear that Romney is too eager to bloody the nose of Russia (”our number one enemy”) and Iran. My son has two years to go on his 20, and I pray he makes it out in one piece.

God bless your son and thank him again for his service. The core of Russian leadership continues to oppose us in most every country, as does islam, and that war is fought in seemingly senseless places and very often through proxies. This has been the pattern for decades. It's complex to say the least. Without a doubt, having a man in the WH is who is part of the New Left is much more dangerous than having someone who is not. We just have to remember that the New Left and globalist, intellectual elites comprise thousands of what are called NGO's or non-governmental organizations. All over the world they are actually influencing governments and operating with virtually no awareness by the general public, whose votes are nowhere near as influential as the NGO influence operations. Most of these organizations are permeated by the New Left.

Here is a post to get you started.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2951258/posts

If you look at who the players, you will see that the revolution was externally manufactured and the revolutionaries themselves are mere pawns. This has been the case with numerous revolutions over the past 20 years that came and went so quickly in the U.S. news cycle that hardly anyone knows or cares about them.

Also, be sure to visit

http://www.cfr.org/

Be sure to look at the About section, look for lists of names for boards of directors, leadership and members. You'll see that there is contact and shared interests between governments and big business. While the U.S. has a huge influence, business interests and "causes" tend to span national boudaries in the realm of bodies like cfr. Most often such NGO's are started with good intentions but go horribly wrong as their arrogance blinds them to their immorality and wrongness.

CFR is one of the most influential policy-making institutions in terms of foreign policy, but there are literally thousands of these unelected NGOs pursing globalist, elitist interests around the globe. Notice their agendas. Also, you will note that they are firmly embedded into the U.S. political landscape.

I give all this information in the hope that you will learn more about what is going on behind the scenes and that knowledge might give you comfort as well as a call to spread the truth to those in the military who are not aware of the ultimately anti-American New Left and how it has permeated the Democratic party and much of American society.
90 posted on 10/28/2012 1:17:01 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Diogenesis

91 posted on 10/28/2012 1:28:22 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Fire the Liar.)
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To: Wuli
What cannot be argued any more now that Panetta has claimed that the risk was too great to act, is the following: There is no cover for this. The President and his Administration, for whatever reason, lied deliberately and persistently for two weeks, scapegoated a US citizen to the world, and now want to run out the clock due to this nonsense about "let's wait until we have all the facts." BALONEY! You did not mind yourself to wait for all the facts before you jailed and scapegoated this US citizen!!! These guys should be IMPEACHED, NOW!!!!
92 posted on 10/28/2012 1:36:00 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
"Admin has painted itself into a corner"

More like it has hoisted its empty chair to hang off the end of a Navy yardarm.

93 posted on 10/28/2012 1:36:42 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
What’s going to be said when the first commercial airliner is downed by one the “lost” Man-Pads?”

Sorry, that cat is rrrrrrrr outta the bag on that one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-portable_air-defense_systems

MANPADS are all over already for decades, you can probably buy them on the street in Istanbul. Everyone knows for a long time now that U.S. and their NGOs are supporting the Syrian rebels and the Russians and their NGOs are supporting Assad.

Kaddafi's stockpiles were raided, of course, that happened many moons ago. Everyone knows weapons were going to Syria via Turkey, which still functions as a crossroads after thousands of years.

IMHO, the meeting with the Turkish foreign minister was simply the bait in the kidnap trap for poor Ambassador Stevens. If NGOs set this up, neither Stevens nor the Turk would know about the trap, so there would be no possibility of the Turk tipping him off.
94 posted on 10/28/2012 1:50:29 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Everyone knows for a long time now that U.S. and their NGOs are supporting the Syrian rebels and the Russians and their NGOs are supporting Assad.

My comment above is not clear enough.

When I say "U.S. and their NGOs"... IMHO, this operation is part of the overall 20 years of revolutions that were cooked up by NGOs, specifically the Soros and leftist networks. The GWB administration, IMHO, pursued this because the likes of CFR and the "spread democracy" elitists permeate the Republican party. It is simply conventional wisdom amongst U.S. elites.

The difference is that the New Left Democratic Shadow Party is participating knowing that it is a ruse to get U.S. policy shifted towards working with leftist and Soros NGO networks and their true goal is New World Order which entails an end to U.S. hegemony, while the Republican elites do not see through the "spreading democracy" ruse. They actually think they are doing the opposite - extending U.S. hegemony.

Nowhere is this more clear in the mideast, in the multi-layer elaborate scheming of the NGOs. The Conservative grassroots in the U.S. is fuming, as their news media concurs, that the scandal about the Arab spring is that jihadists are coming to power. This concern is even echoed inside government. However, careful research indicates that NGO players continue to chip away at marginalizing the islamic revolutionaries in the new governments - all the while allowing the militants to continue to be part of the mix, of course preserving them for future needs of the NGO networks. How else does one explain a new Libyan government that slowly but surely is taking shape as one run by people educated in the U.S. and Eastern Europe ? The only answer is that not only do islamic militant figures pervade the new government, but NGO figures do as well. We simply don't hear about that from U.S. news services at all.

The strategic pattern of NGO leftists and Soros has always been to get inside of a government, subvert it by making the NGOs plans the government's, then actually use the government to do a large part of their work. It also spans countries: one subverted government's intelligence service can be used to subvert another nation's government.

Take USAID - it thinks it's using NGOs, but in reality, the NGOs are using it.

Gets complicated, but it's really simple if one keeps one's eye on the ball.
95 posted on 10/28/2012 2:31:47 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Obama himself had to issue an order to cancel a rescue effort.


96 posted on 10/28/2012 2:35:15 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Panetta is fos. 40 years ago we were taught every day that nobody gets left behind and my nephew tells me that they are still taught the same thing. The Army hasn’t changed but the shmucks running things have.


97 posted on 10/28/2012 2:35:37 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: driftdiver
Obama had seven hours to figure out what was going on. The claim they couldn't do anything because they didn't know what was going on is ludicrous.

Fact is, they had MONTHS to figure out what was going on, with multiple attack attempts and requests for security and that's a long time to make plans assuming you actually bother to prep for anything. That they sent home what real security they had against the wishes of the ambassador tells us that not only did they not prepare for a serious armed attack on our mission there, they deliberately went out of their way to undermine security, and that means they really didn't want to know what was going on even BEFORE the attack, much less during it. No interest in it whatsoever. Every other western country with an embassy there figured it out right quick but we didn't because the White House has at minimum been AWOL or worse, has been engaged in sabotage.

98 posted on 10/28/2012 2:59:15 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Panetta couldn’t give that order unless the pres ordered him to halt a rescue. He can recommend the president give the order but he has to have the order.
A rescue effort is automatic for an ambassador.


99 posted on 10/28/2012 3:07:53 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: gleeaikin

Iraq was not a “side trip” ... Iraq via Iran was where al Qaeda active leadership went after Tora Bora, and even before. Iraq was where we Abu Nidal was, and he had attacked the US before. Iraq was where the perp in charge of the WTC bombing of 1993 was. Iraq was where some of those involved in the bombing of the USS Cole were caught. And Iraq was where Zawahiri was, and he was the guy involved in numerous things, including the millennium plot to blow up the LAX airport, blow up Us facilities in Jordan and was the guy who assassinated US Aid official Lawrence Foley a year before the war.


100 posted on 10/28/2012 3:25:44 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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