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You’re old. Get over it.
EDN ^ | October 25, 2012 | Suzanne Deffree

Posted on 10/26/2012 8:50:06 PM PDT by null and void

We all know it’s out there. Lingering. Waiting to impede. Still, I wasn’t expecting it for at least another five years. I’ve heard it hits women earlier than men, but now, already? And on my birthday, too. Ouch.

When having coffee with a long-time friend, who also happened to be one of my first managers, an open position at her company came up in conversation. She and I have maintained a good relationship since I worked for her back in the 1990s. We make an effort to follow each other’s careers, even though we haven’t worked together in more than 15 years.

She wondered if I knew of anyone for the job and said: “We’re looking for someone just like you, who can do all you can do, except young.”

Excuse me? I pointed out that at just having blown out the candles on my 35th birthday cake, I am young, or at least on the younger side. Certainly not “old.”

Now, I have to admit, I had watched some Matlock that morning, I knew there was a storm coming because of some knee pain, and, yeah, the photo run with this blog was taken many moons ago when I was, by most definitions, young. But old, no -- Not over the hill, not stuck in my ways, not without the spirit and attributes many assign to youth: ability to learn quickly, willingness to experiment with new ideas and to conform with new corporate cultures, freshly educated, and up on the latest processes.

Had I turned 35, 45, 65, or 85, was not the point. These attributes are not defined by one’s age on a driver’s license but by mindset and dedication to one’s career.

My friend’s reply was short but not sweet: “You’re old. Get over it.”

My coffee had turned bitter and so had I. If she wanted someone who could do all I could do, she wanted someone with more than a decade’s worth of experience. You don’t get that in a 20 year old.

Just a few years after I had worked with this woman and in between full time jobs, I worked with a career strategist and wrote resumes for some very experienced people. “Mask their experience level,” I remember being told because, although this was sugarcoated, age discrimination exists. If you list 20 years of experience on a resume, it’s presumed the candidate is either at too high a salary level or out of touch -- just plain old.

In the time since this blog’s headshot was taken, I’ve been honing my craft, solving problems, working with engineers and other editors on a daily basis to grow my experience, and become a more well-informed force than would have been possible when I started my career.

Unfortunately, we live in a world of Mark Zuckerbergs, where the flashiest new idea often comes from someone not old enough to remember the Reagan years, let alone be born before them. These shining stars are allotted tremendous power and influence over industries. I’m scratching my head, gray hairs and all, and wondering why.

Why value the inexperience and ignorance that often accompanies youth? Why not hold higher the experience, knowledge, and sharpened creativity that only comes from decades in a field?

There are plenty of smart young guns out there who deserve respect. We at EDN often make efforts to bring the next generation of engineers along and encourage them to make the commitment to engineering that develops into 20, 30, or more years in a career. But for the current generation of engineers, it’s a disturbing fact that age discrimination undervalues know-how and insults the importance of careers and ingenuity.

Sickeningly, I suspect many reading this have been the victim of age discrimination in some form or another. Even in such a minor brush as experienced over this birthday coffee, age discrimination hinders the ability to share experience and knowledge. Ultimately, that dampens the strength of employees and weakens the field of engineering. 

We’ve had two high-level members of the electronics industry announce plans to retire in recent weeks after long, stellar careers that made massive contributions to electronics: TI’s Gene Frantz, who you can read about here, and Avnet’s Roy Vallee, who we spoke with a few weeks ago.

Vallee pointed out in the interview with EDN that careers are marathons, not sprints. Honor and recognize those who run the marathon over decades, who have proved their strengths and dedication to engineering and design, not just those starting the race.


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1 posted on 10/26/2012 8:50:09 PM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void

If that former manager can’t see that you don’t get to be “Just like you” without gaining in years then you wouldn’t want to work for them.


2 posted on 10/26/2012 8:58:35 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: null and void

Every few years I raise my definition old.


3 posted on 10/26/2012 8:58:52 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Of old.


4 posted on 10/26/2012 8:59:48 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

60 is the new 40. Really.


5 posted on 10/26/2012 9:06:51 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: null and void

I’m old, and I don’t try to deny it with the “you’re only as old as your mind tells you” crap. One of the most annoying commercials on tv is the one where this woman says she doesn’t need one of those phone alert things to call for help because “thats for old people.” She’s gotta be in her 80’s. Every time the commercial comes on I want to yell “you’re old,,,accept it!”


6 posted on 10/26/2012 9:08:46 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: RitchieAprile

I’m glad to hear that since I turned 60 last month .... :)


7 posted on 10/26/2012 9:10:59 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An OATH is FOREVER OathKeeper III We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: null and void
My resume kills fleas at a thousand yards.

Personnel droids batten down the hatches when they hear it is nearby.

I know what a squat switch (WOW switch) is, and can do 802.11(whichever) math, rf and/or binary, depending. I also cook.

Forget drawing a regular paycheck doing any of that kind of technical stuff. Thanks, we'll give you a call.

Build it yourself or give up, after a certain age. I'm not likely to turn me down for a job for being 'too old'.

/johnny

8 posted on 10/26/2012 9:13:06 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: null and void

Thanks! Nice to receive on my birthday ;-)


9 posted on 10/26/2012 9:16:13 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: RitchieAprile

Ain’t that the truth.


10 posted on 10/26/2012 9:17:16 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
Every few years I raise my definition old.

**************
Of old.

Worst sign of growing old is forgetting prepositions.

11 posted on 10/26/2012 9:19:15 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers

LOL, I know. It’s going fast.


12 posted on 10/26/2012 9:21:40 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: null and void

In one of his debates Ronaldus Maximus (who was 73 when he was reelected in ‘84) defended himself against charges he was too old to be president by saying:

“I want you to know also I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent’s youth and inexperience.”


13 posted on 10/26/2012 9:22:57 PM PDT by zipper
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To: JRandomFreeper

I hada friend the other day, she is 65, ask me whether there was a medical reason for her wrinkles.

She thought she might be dehydrated...lol


14 posted on 10/26/2012 9:24:10 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: null and void
Embrace it! Not everyone GETS it! I turned 60 this year: It occurred to me that now I’ll never have to die young! :)
15 posted on 10/26/2012 9:24:27 PM PDT by bannie ("The gov't that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.")
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

I’ve gotten to the point where if I can’t find something, the first place I look is in the refrigerator.


16 posted on 10/26/2012 9:26:58 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: bannie
It occurred to me that now I’ll never have to die young!

Or pretty, in my case. ;)

The up side is you can say pretty much whatever you want.

/johnny

17 posted on 10/26/2012 9:31:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Neil E. Wright

August was 60 for me. :) I love it! People now MUST listen to us. We have gravitas!


18 posted on 10/26/2012 9:32:01 PM PDT by bannie ("The gov't that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.")
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To: null and void

One should respect their elders but as time goes on they get fewer and fewer in numbers. Rather than accept growing old gracefully, I fight back. Try parachuting out of a perfectly good airplane sometime. Or para sailing. The older I get the less fear I should show. I’m going to die anyways. Don’t fear the reaper the song says. I came into this world naked, kicking and screaming and with somebody elses blood all over my body and I can go out the same way.


19 posted on 10/26/2012 9:33:46 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Willie Stark for president.)
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To: melsec

What an arrogant idiot. She has got to be in Silicon Valley and probably a big Obama supporter.


20 posted on 10/26/2012 9:34:20 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

:) Nobody EXPECTS “pretty” at this age—unless they’re in Hollywood; but I laugh at them more than they can scoff at me. ;)


21 posted on 10/26/2012 9:35:21 PM PDT by bannie ("The gov't that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.")
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To: BipolarBob

I’ve grown to be a creature of comfort—and there’s great success in that endeavor! Hollywoodies are fighting a battle that they cannot win; and I’m playing a hand that I cannot lose.


22 posted on 10/26/2012 9:37:47 PM PDT by bannie ("The gov't that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.")
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To: Chickensoup
After I left the military, I did keep the iron, the starch, and the ironing board, not because I use them on my clothes... Nyet, tovarich... I am single man. All clothing in same washer and dryer, stuff in drawer, wear as required....

I kept them because I might have to eventually go out somewhere without a shirt on.

Date night? Pool party? Not without ironing my skin first. ;)

/johnny

23 posted on 10/26/2012 9:38:00 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: null and void
35 is old? Before we know it, people will be washed up at 25. Truly absurd.
24 posted on 10/26/2012 9:43:18 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: bannie; Marcella
Time for the enemies joke...

Preacher is talking about enemies at the rostrum... He's fired up. Asks if anyone in the congregation doesn't have an enemy....

Everyone is silent, but a hand slips up on the third row.. Miss Annie.

The preacherman is flabbergasted, and says "Miss Annie, come up here and tell the congregation how that it is you don't have any enemies".

The geriatric crowd helps Miss Annie to her walker, and shuffles her up to the podium....

She leans into the microphone and says...

"I outlived all them bitches"...

/johnny

25 posted on 10/26/2012 9:44:30 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: RitchieAprile

You need to set your sites a little higher; trust me...


26 posted on 10/26/2012 9:48:06 PM PDT by azsportsterman
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To: RitchieAprile

You need to set your sites a little higher; trust me...


27 posted on 10/26/2012 9:48:17 PM PDT by azsportsterman
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To: null and void

If people in their 30s are unhappy because they think no one will hire them due to their age, why not start a company of their own and hire. . . people in their 30s.

It seems to me there are just as much “older” as “younger” people out there. “Older” can hire “older” if they like.
Start their own business if needs be.


28 posted on 10/26/2012 9:49:05 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: null and void

She sound kinda thick in the skull.
We are hiring experienced people.
I work in the electronics industry.


29 posted on 10/26/2012 10:03:17 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: bannie

There are still a lot of things that I have learned that are great as I get older, like Shortcuts!!! I have honed the art of finding a way to do most things easier, and with less physical, emotional, effort.. HA!

Next, I find I have little patience for excuses, not that I don’t make my own excuses, usually I use the reason, because I am too old.. LOL

I just can not accept reasons for incompetence, when I know from experience that most people find that their dissatisfaction in life has more to do with their own refusal to do what has to be sacrificed to better their conditions.. I know that because I have used most of those reasons..

Also, I love being OLD, because I now can say anything that I want, and most people let me get away with it because he’s harmless, and just an old fool!!!

Lastly, it’s great being old, nobody expects you to do much of anything, because .. DRUM ROLL... your too OLD.. ! :)


30 posted on 10/26/2012 10:07:07 PM PDT by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: null and void

Oh! and by the way, a lot of these young “potential” superstars have not got a clue about the “industry”

I had a 4.0 college grad ask me what solder is.
They know how to use matlab, but us old guys tell them what to use matlab for.

And quite frankly we did that stuff without crutches.


31 posted on 10/26/2012 10:15:29 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: eddie willers
ever catch yourself looking into the fridge and not know if you're are taking something out or putting something back???
32 posted on 10/26/2012 10:16:30 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: mylife
I had a 4.0 college grad ask me what solder is.

Any chance he was just joshin'?

My organization is full of twenty and thirty somethings and we can engineer the hell out of anything.

33 posted on 10/26/2012 10:25:13 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: null and void

Over 70 .. Not old .. Chronologically challenged .. !


34 posted on 10/26/2012 10:26:33 PM PDT by CrickMan
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To: null and void

35 posted on 10/26/2012 10:30:04 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: bannie
We have gravitas!

You know, when they were saying Dick Chaney had that, I wondered if it was fatal...

So far it hasn't been..

36 posted on 10/26/2012 10:32:53 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

I finally got my dad out of Detroit at the age of 83...He told me one day that the apartments were full of old foggy’s. I had a laugh at that one...learned old is anyone older than you...


37 posted on 10/26/2012 10:33:11 PM PDT by goat granny (.)
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To: mylife

We can have stuff done before your old fogey ass even has time to put your orthopedic shoes on. Matlab is just one of many tools at our disposal.


38 posted on 10/26/2012 10:33:22 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

Nope.
Serious as a heart attack.
Smart guy , but NO experience.
They sent him to me to learn the ropes.

Why calculate a circuit, send endless email, negotiate what needs to be done, waste a pile of time, Get planning involved, cut a new work order, to change a value on a resistor when I can slip in a pot, tweek the thing and solder down a new resistor in .5 hours?

Greenhorns!


39 posted on 10/26/2012 10:35:15 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Hey kid, I just turned 75!


40 posted on 10/26/2012 10:35:25 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: null and void; JRandomFreeper

I am older than any of you so do what I say, then leave me alone!


41 posted on 10/26/2012 10:37:18 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: Yardstick

I am aware that matlab is one of many tools at my disposal.


42 posted on 10/26/2012 10:37:34 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

I’ll bet we have more tools at our disposal than you do. We can do Matlab or we can tweak pots. Whatever it takes. But I guarantee we can smoke your old ass in any situation.


43 posted on 10/26/2012 10:42:46 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

One of the things I try to teach the young fellows is who the end user is and what do they need?

I try to get them to keep maintenance in mind in the field.
I think we build a better product that way for folks under fire.

I try to get the egghead in the foxhole.


44 posted on 10/26/2012 10:44:43 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Yardstick

Whateveh
Punk! LOL


45 posted on 10/26/2012 10:45:46 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Yeah, we think of all that stuff. We consider the maintenance angle. We consider the user angle. We engineer the hell out of our stuff. And trust me, we know what solder is.


46 posted on 10/26/2012 10:48:12 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

See, you miss my first rule of respect for military gear.

I want this stuff to serve the fellow who uses it and maintains it.

Maybe your Cal Poly *** can crunch numbers with tools that old geezers built for you, but you have to respect everyone in the process for the process to be valid.

Let us snark no more.


47 posted on 10/26/2012 10:51:06 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Yardstick

I am just telling you my experience.
I wasn’t ragging on young fellows or old fellows.

I find that experience is the best school.


48 posted on 10/26/2012 10:53:58 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

I just said we keep that stuff in mind. We sweat bullets making sure our stuff works in the field.

We can crunch numbers from top to bottom using tools or doing it by hand. Granted we may have to go to a book to do it by hand. But we can do that. No problem.

In any case we get more done by lunchtime than you could do in a week or more.


49 posted on 10/26/2012 10:58:22 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

We were on the same page until your last punkass line of commentary.


50 posted on 10/26/2012 11:01:24 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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