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Petraeus Throws Obama Under the Bus
Weekly Standard ^ | 6:05 PM, OCT 26, 2012 | WILLIAM KRISTOL

Posted on 10/26/2012 3:20:35 PM PDT by Snuph

Breaking news on Benghazi: the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out this statement: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”

So who in the government did tell “anybody” not to help those in need? Someone decided not to send in military assets to help those Agency operators. Would the secretary of defense make such a decision on his own? No.

It would have been a presidential decision. There was presumably a rationale for such a decision. What was it? When and why—and based on whose counsel obtained in what meetings or conversations—did President Obama decide against sending in military assets to help the Americans in need?

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: benghazi; benghazicia; benghazigate; benghazirescue; benghazistanddown; chrisstevens; cia; elections; justabumpintheroad; libya; obama; obamasfault; petraeus; waronterror
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To: PhilDragoo

Solid piece of work, Phil. How infuriating this is, I want our country back.

Nov. 6 can’t come soon enough.


251 posted on 10/26/2012 8:36:16 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Always A Marine

That is interesting info. Thanks.

Hohttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2950882/postsw doe this fit in?


252 posted on 10/26/2012 8:37:28 PM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie

Good grief..I sure messed that post up!!


253 posted on 10/26/2012 8:39:08 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Artcore

What? You answer a simple statement that Romney knows what is going on and not speaking about what he has no control over with that?

Amazing.


254 posted on 10/26/2012 8:42:35 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Snuph

Petraeus has his own bus? Who knew?


255 posted on 10/26/2012 8:44:09 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

I heard it was built in Canada


256 posted on 10/26/2012 8:46:14 PM PDT by Snuph ("give me Liberty...")
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To: combat_boots

The reason Petraeus is being discussed here is because it’s about Petraeus’ denial that CIA denied any request for help. Rubin says CIA chain of command DID deny requests to go help those at the consular base. Who is/are they that these operators are referring to?

OF COURSE, obama is at the top of the pile. He’s the CIC. Their is plenty of blame to pass around, most likely. They need to all be routed out and exposed, whoever they are.

Petraeus was pretty quick to deny the stand down orders. Who will be next?


257 posted on 10/26/2012 8:49:01 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: uncbob
That is probably the reason As I posted Panneta admitted the terrorists had the resources to take down any rescue attempts Just the thoughts of all so missiles in their hands is scary as hell

Not an airliner in the world is safe

All because We Came We Saw He died and the Arab Spring

Things just get worse and worse

Yup. I can't disagree with you on that.

However, we (the US) have lots of options and capabilities outside of air strikes. Granted that I don't think we could have done anything (except for more security in the 1st place!) to save the Ambassador or Sean Smith. But that Annex is another matter, entirely.

I'd still like to hear someone who knows our capabilities better than I, comment. As has been pointed out, we had what local security forces there are, and most of the local population on our side, or at least not actively against us.

BTW, one Libyan official referred to the annex as being at a "farm". Does anyone know if it actually was in a rural or semi-rural area?

258 posted on 10/26/2012 8:50:44 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Girlene
The article source that contradicts Petraeus is unnamed.

You mean the sources who were on the ground in Benghazi"? Do you doubt them?

You mean an unnamed source who was supposidly on the ground in Benghazi?

If one doubts information from an unnamed source then it stands to reason that one would doubt such an unnamed source was "on the ground" at such-and-such a location.

About the spcific contradiction between Petraeus and this unnamed source, it's worth noting that the unnamed source refers to the CIA chain of command which would include people outside the CIA, while Petraeus only refers to people inside the CIA.

259 posted on 10/26/2012 8:50:45 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
You mean an unnamed source who was supposidly on the ground in Benghazi?

If one doubts information from an unnamed source then it stands to reason that one would doubt such an unnamed source was "on the ground" at such-and-such a location.


So you doubt the whole article by Jennifer Rubin? You doubt all the assertions she made?
260 posted on 10/26/2012 8:57:58 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: DesertRhino

I can attest that GEN (Ret) Petraeus is definitely not a coward, and he is no Colin Powell.

If the President classifies an operation, then anyone who is read into that operation is restricted from speaking about it - punishable by law, including prison.

The military must stay out of domestic politics to protect our constitutional system and their credibility. CIA too.

A sledgehammer is not the right tool for every job.

I thank God that he is taking on that job under this administration - it must be unrelenting stress and intrigue. Lots of 3D chess playing against a whole bunch of crafty lying bastards with hidden agendas - like in Iraq. If anybody can handle such a mess and still manage to steer the ship in the right direction, it’s him.


261 posted on 10/26/2012 8:59:07 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: Ann Archy

I understand your hatred but, when the President of the United States of America makes a decision, most of us feel duty bound to honer it. I’m sure everyone around Obama thought he was being a cold hearted m-fer but, the man is the President!!! The lid will eventually get blown off and Patreus knows it so, he got his ass covered with this memo. Still, this is all on the President. He made the decisions and he will live with the consequences


262 posted on 10/26/2012 9:03:18 PM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: Artcore

Utah, I get it now.


263 posted on 10/26/2012 9:05:31 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: ssaftler; Snuph
If you HAVEN’T seen “Argo”, please do so before voting, as a reminder of what happened to us the last time we had such an ineffective man inhabiting the Oval Office! Admittedly somewhat overdramatized, and we all know where Ben Affleck’s politics lie, but he didn’t muck with the basics of the story, thank goodness!

REALLY good movie. Recommended. Go see it.

The electorate needs to be reminded of Jimmy Carter and the likes of him before it heads off to the polls.

264 posted on 10/26/2012 9:13:21 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Snuph

I’m sure Obama and his people thought what Steven’s was doing was sexy. Of coarse, a leftist can’t trust the CIA, right? That is, until your getting your ass shot off in a third world hell hole and your leftist party friends leave you for dead.


265 posted on 10/26/2012 9:23:25 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Ann Archy

He was trying to limit the damage he knew was coming.

It looks to me like leaks from the Intel community are absolutely killing The Disaster.

This scandal is growing by the day.


266 posted on 10/26/2012 9:23:25 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Chgogal; Fred Nerks; uncbob
Yes, 20,000 missing MANPADs was the figure I've seen, also. By now I imagine they are dispersed among any number of groups. The CIA would have a nearly impossible task (many operations) to retrieve or destroy even half of them.

Now if I try to get my head into AQ -- obviously something not normal for myself, but, it's Friday night; Let's give it a shot:

If I'm AQ and smart, what do I do with the missiles? Maybe, wait until after the U.S. election, and then start shooting down airliners, lots of them. This cripples the world economy and cripples Obama's credibility, worldwide, too, pretty much crippling the U.S. (As if Obama hasn't crippled it enough already!) Best is if he's been re-elected - now the terrorists have a long period of uncertainty in which to work more of their evil. Outright blackmail by AQ begins. Meanwhile, Iran probably aquires their first few nukes.

Ugh. I pray I'm wrong.

267 posted on 10/26/2012 9:24:10 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: skeeter

The last time I saw anything like this it was the Watergate Scandal. Except here the media is actively covering up for the president.


268 posted on 10/26/2012 9:25:24 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: DoughtyOne; All

It isn’t too much to suggest that we at least listen to the General’s testimony of his role in all this. Is it?


269 posted on 10/26/2012 9:33:28 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

That was one of the best calls ever heard on Rush’s show.

One from another soldier later was also incredible for showing the sense of betrayal that the guys on the ground everywhere are feeling. Will he leave them to die if a decision has to be made?

This is an earthquake.


270 posted on 10/26/2012 9:37:50 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Catsrus

He has been dead to me for four years.


271 posted on 10/26/2012 9:41:19 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Batman11

Just another Brimley quote.


272 posted on 10/26/2012 9:43:44 PM PDT by karnage
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To: Delta Dawn
If he went to bed while this was going on, then he should be

dragged out of bed in his pajamas and taken to trial.

273 posted on 10/26/2012 9:46:06 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Girlene

Correction....should be Jennifer Griffin, not Jennifer Rubin....I keep making that mistake.


274 posted on 10/26/2012 9:48:52 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Paul R.
It seems that they found about 5,000 of them but they really don't know how many are still missing. Dontchya just love how incompetent the Obama Administration is?

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20120202/DEFREG02/302020009/U-S-Still-Hunting-Missing-Libyan-MANPADS

275 posted on 10/26/2012 9:55:21 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama helped murder US Navy SEALs.)
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To: Snuph
Throw that rubber backboned loser under this:


276 posted on 10/26/2012 9:57:03 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: hflynn
This is escalating to the Oval Office by the minute.

Where, once upon a time, a Democrat who was a real American sat.


277 posted on 10/26/2012 10:08:01 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: TigerClaws

I decided to name my pet turd after them.... POS....


278 posted on 10/26/2012 10:12:32 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: FredZarguna
This is what makes tonight's statement so remarkable. He's clearly reached a point where -- lied before or did not lie before but let it stand -- he's had enough.

Good thing the USA is not Argentina or some other South American country with a history of political instability. Otherwise, plotting for a coup d'etat would likely be in process.


279 posted on 10/26/2012 10:12:50 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: Bush_Democrat
Obama Lied - Tyrone Died

That's good.

That might actually get some of the less informed of Zero's base to vote against him, having jumped to an incorrect conclusion about the late Mr. Woods. LOL!

280 posted on 10/26/2012 10:14:33 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Ann Archy
Patraeus is as GUILTY as OBAMA

It was Obama's call. What would you have Petraeus do? Mount a coup?

Blaming Petraeus, et al, is exactly how the Regime hopes to skate past this.

281 posted on 10/26/2012 10:19:35 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: uncbob
Those guys did it —they thought they were risking a Blackhawk Down incident b4 a Presidential election, and so they forbade anyone to help.

That makes more sense than some of the other conspiracy theories

Even Panneta admitted it saying they couldn't risk resources


They already had an Ambassador missing - they did not know until about dawn what had become of the Ambassador. They already had the "pre-election bad incident". The Ambassador is actually the President's personal representative, and his murder is actually an act of war. It's far worse than a Blackhawk Down situation.

The retired Lt. Col. who called in to Rush today summed up how things actually work in these situations.

As long as a President assents to proceeding, every effort is made to get everybody back home safe and sound, and any and all assets can be used. There are forces on standby in every theater for precisely these types of situations.

In order for no help to come, the President would have to have refused to give the order to proceed, in effect, ordering the theater 4-star to not proceed.
282 posted on 10/26/2012 10:38:26 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Snuph

Absolutely stunning. I am very happy to see this coming from Petreaus. I hope he gets together with Congress immediately if not sooner to discuss with them everything he knows about this horrendous attack and the way it was handled by the executive branch.


283 posted on 10/26/2012 10:39:22 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: PapaBear3625
Which may be why Romney stayed away from talking about it in the last debate -- he can't bring up classified data.

Wow! That never crossed my mind. I would not be surprised if Romney was intentionally briefed on choice bits of information that was probably made up for cover about what happened in Benghazi, and then instructed that it was classified and that he couldn't discuss it. I know that the left is that devious.

284 posted on 10/26/2012 10:43:03 PM PDT by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: Chgogal; All

Thanks for the link. It reads as if most likely several thousand are still floating about. Not good.

Looking about a little on the Web, this evening, there is some suggestion that AC-130’s have at least some defense capability against MANPAD’s. Can anyone comment further?


285 posted on 10/26/2012 10:44:40 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: DoughtyOne

“...I really don’t get why you seem to be furious with Patreaus. I wouldn’t waste my breath on that guy.

We’ve got a president that needs to be impeached. Why divert attention.”

-—<>-—<>-—<>-—<>-—<>-—

Hear Hear. Well said. Focus is needed here, and the group to be focused on is State&Defense headed by the CinC.

Frankly, I am as certain as can be without being in the room that CinC made this call after Jarrett advised.


286 posted on 10/26/2012 10:51:25 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: PieterCasparzen

Panetta’s statement made no sense.

Supposedly the attack was being watched in real time. So they knew what was going on.

In any event, since when has the military failed to act because they didn’t know all of the details? There was an attack on an ambassador. There were calls for help. What more information was needed?


287 posted on 10/26/2012 11:01:17 PM PDT by berdie
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To: DoughtyOne

DO:

It seems to me that you are the solid voice of reason on this thread. There may have been others (I’m not going to look again at it all) but you have been tremendous.

I agree that it is very important to keep Director/CIA as much above the fray as possible in a situation like this. I do not understand his failure to smash the “video narrative”, but he definitely should not be doing something like say, “The President is lying.” to the world, via a spokesman. I am glad that he has come around for whatever reason to know that his remaining silent is a wrong course of action now. I also believe he should not be resigning, for reasons you delineate quite well in this thread. Congress ought to subpoena him, and the strongest action I believe he ought to take is to defy an order by the President to say nothing to Congress. I believe that with this statement, he is telling Issa that he will cooperate, and immediately, with such a subpoena. I suspect a large part of that testimony would have to be in closed session. After that, Congress can decide the best course of action, releasing as much info to the voters as possible, immediately.

CIA is too important to squander. This whole situation is fraught with danger in many ways, not the least of which is the position of these executive agencies and departments.

In addition, I strongly object to people who are calling the administration out for “treason”, and calling for impeachment based on the CinC failing to order a “rescue mission”. That is properly HIS CALL, despite my strong disagreement with the call he made. If you want to call for impeachment, call for it on the basis of failure to enforce laws like DOMA or instituting new law such as DREAM act without Congressional approval. Call for it based on the kangaroo court arrest of the video maker. Call for it based on lying to American and the world about the motivation for this attack. All these things are clearly unConstitutional, just as it is clearly Constitutional that CinC makes the call for use of the military in this type of case.

That said, CinC DEFINITELY SHOULD relate FULLY to America, before the election, WHY he made the call he did, and who he consulted, and the assets that were immediately available. That ought to be related at least several days before the election so military members and diplomatic corps can give rebuttal or supporting opinion. Then, let America’s voters decide whether they agree with him: do we give support to Americans in need without counting the cost, or do we evaluate whether “rescue” is worth it. I can imagine many would disagree with my belief that we give support first and evaluate later. This is something that American voters should decide together.

Time has run short to do that, but it is still not impossible. Without such a course by CinC, it is my opinion that everyone ought to simply say, “I can not trust this guy to be CinC since I don’t know how he will treat our people going forward” and vote against him with prejudice.


288 posted on 10/26/2012 11:36:00 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: greeneyes

If I were in the field and saw a drone or two circling overhead, I would hope and pray it had a bomb or two on it and illuminate a target. They may not have known one way or the other, but simply held out hope.


289 posted on 10/26/2012 11:52:52 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Paul R.

Man-portable air-defense systems have been around for a long time and are plentiful all over the world already.

This link, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-portable_air-defense_systems, lists a number of attacks that have happened over the years.

Dealing with hostile fire is a core part of military actions and the U.S. military is the best there is.

I think the last decade provides ample evidence that, given the order to do so, the U.S. military would have gotten the job done if it was possible.

What stopped them was the the President refusing to give the order.

The retired Lt. Col. caller to Rush today clarified the chain of command for civilians like me who would not be aware of the details. According to that interview, within minutes of the alarm sounding that an Ambassador was in peril, the President would be asked to approve rescue operations.


290 posted on 10/26/2012 11:53:15 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Paul R.
A little more far out speculation: As the attack unfolded, the CIA or other intelligence discovered or reasoned that the attack was in fact bait, designed to bring in U.S. support aircraft. An AC-130 shot down in Libya would sure blow Obama’s foreign policy narrative!!!

That's been floated around. But once again, the dead or kidnapped Ambassador trumps that. To lose military forces in battle is tragic but part of military operations (think about it, we've lost thousands over the past decade). To have an Ambassador murdered, or taken hostage, that is the real embarassment politically. The Ambassador is the President's personal representative.

There simply is no logical answer as to why a sitting President or Cabinet official would not give the order to attempt a rescue of a consulate under attack.

The idea of risk outwaying reward for a rescue is not a factor with diplomatic rescues, for the most part, because they are not very large battles that endanger thousands of lives. The risk is born by members of the military - but that is their mission.

The risk/reward idea comes into play in military rescues of other members of the military during wartime, such as the rescue of downed pilots. The military channel had one such situation during the Viet Nam War where men were being lost to save a downed pilot.

This is an entirely different situation with a civilian diplomat being rescued - or not, in this case.

The question is did the President order rescue operations or did he order the military to stand down.
291 posted on 10/27/2012 12:09:36 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: huldah1776

It is EXTREMELY important strategically that Romney STAY OUT of the whole Libya mess now. If he says anything about it, there will be no end to increasing polarization. Any sound byte would be about Romney vs Obama, instead of Obama vs America’s military/diplomatic corps. The best way for him to gain relative stature, and for America to hear the truth about Libya, is for the process that is underway to proceed without Obama and the Dems being able to claim that he “is politicizing Benghazi”.

As hard as it is, Romney must say NOTHING about it as much as humanly possible, for him to get maximum traction from it.


292 posted on 10/27/2012 12:14:06 AM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Ann Archy

David Petraeus threw in with the wrong crowd. Too bad he wasn’t a student of the Bible, “Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.” 1 Co 15:33


293 posted on 10/27/2012 12:23:14 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Paul R.
Yes, I believe you've summed it up...now the pos in the White House has to be tried and hung for treason...or some other appropriate punishment. NOW, HOW DO WE GET THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC..DEMAND THAT BOEHNER CALL A PRESS CONFERENCE? WHO ELSE COULD/SHOULD CALL A PRESS CONFERENCE AND LAY IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC? WHO ELSE...ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT COULD INVOLVE WE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO HELP GET THIS INFO TO THE PUBLIC?
294 posted on 10/27/2012 12:32:03 AM PDT by itssme
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To: xzins

AMEN!!!!!! He MIGHT have been good guy, but not anymore.....he’s turned into a COWARD!


295 posted on 10/27/2012 1:38:20 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Snuph

I believe Petraeus.


296 posted on 10/27/2012 3:20:07 AM PDT by SueRae (See it? Hell, I can TASTE November from my house!)
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To: Snuph

Has President George W Bush been blamed yet? If not, what’s taking so long?


297 posted on 10/27/2012 3:24:36 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: AFPhys

Exactly. I never heard or said one byte about him not saying anything. In fact his not saying anything reveals that he will NOT LEAK info or use our military as political pawns. I simply acknowledged that he had intel. Period.


298 posted on 10/27/2012 3:50:42 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: PieterCasparzen

All that is true

I am repeating what Panetta said

They didn’t want to risk losing the rescue teams etc to the missiles on top of losing the ambassador which means he has admitted they weren’t going to send a rescue mission

That is a direct contradiction to what Obama is saying and Panetta is on record

FOX should be all over this contradiction


299 posted on 10/27/2012 5:34:50 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: arrogantsob

“The last time I saw anything like this it was the Watergate Scandal.”

PLEASE... don’t buy into the comparison-to-Watergate mantra. We are SICK of it! This is nothing like Watergate. Watergate was a few bumbling clowns, doing a B&E (badly), to get a few files from an office. The cover-up was bad, but not critical. Since then, there have been 100 situations much worse, all perpetrated by democrats. Watergate continues to be the standard libs use because Nixon was President at the time.

The crime in Watergate: Trying to steal FILES.

The crime in Benghazi: Purposely sacrificing four American LIVES in an attempt to manipultate the outcome of an election.

Everyone spews: “It’s not the crime; it’s the cover-up.” NO! It’s the crime.


300 posted on 10/27/2012 5:49:57 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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