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Darkest atrocities of Nazis laid bare in secret recordings
Daily Mail ^ | 17th September 2012 | Alan Hall

Posted on 09/17/2012 6:52:35 AM PDT by the scotsman

'Some of the most brutal and horrifying atrocities of the Nazis at war are laid bare in secretly recorded conversations of captured German soldiers published in Britain for the first time today.

The prisoners, mostly ordinary soldiers, sailors and airmen as opposed to SS hardliners, are overheard bragging about shooting women and children for sport as well as raping and slaughtering innocent civilians.

But unbeknown to them, British and U.S. intelligence were secretly eavesdropping on their private chats.

Transcripts made from the astonishingly candid recordings sat gathering dust on the shelves of the National Archives in Kew, all but forgotten until they were picked up by historian Sönke Neitzel in 2001.

His subsequent book 'Soldiers; diaries of fighting, killing and dying', caused a sensation when it was published in Germany last year. And next week it will be published in English for the first time.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 09/17/2012 6:52:37 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

Kind of blows the theory that the Wehrmacht were honorable men, compared to the SS. They participated in their share of atrocities.


2 posted on 09/17/2012 6:54:17 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: the scotsman

Read.


3 posted on 09/17/2012 7:01:11 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early believers put their hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: dfwgator
My grandfather toured Buchenwald immediately after it was liberated. He only spoke to me about it one time.

He said that after touring it, there was absolutely no doubt in his mind why he was overseas, or who the good guys were.

He also told me that any German who said that "they just didn't know what was there" was lying because you could smell the place from 20 miles away.

4 posted on 09/17/2012 7:08:15 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Psalm 144

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5 posted on 09/17/2012 7:08:36 AM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: the scotsman

6 posted on 09/17/2012 7:13:34 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: wbill

‘Never a Nazi to be found in 1945’, was an old saying.


7 posted on 09/17/2012 7:15:56 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

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8 posted on 09/17/2012 7:32:36 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: wbill
He also told me that any German who said that "they just didn't know what was there" was lying because you could smell the place from 20 miles away. ......

Finally, someone tells the truth. THEY ALL KNEW, every damn one of them. To late to do anything about it, but THEY KNEW.

Question is for us. What will we do about it in America before it is to late? It is coming.

9 posted on 09/17/2012 7:47:51 AM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: the scotsman

When Hitler assumed power in Germany, the Germans were considered a Christian nation. They turned from God and allowed Hitler to become their god. This is what radicalism can do.

Now, what would you expect from the Muslims in a similar war. They are already savage beasts and are daily involved in killing one another. The Muslims would not hesitate to kill everyone that they consider an infidel. This is what they have been taught to do.

Until our leaders recognize this fact, the Muslims will continue to win the small battles until they have put enough victories together to win the war in which they are engaged against Western civilization.

They have already won many small victories. Look at what gyrations we must go through to fly on airplanes. Look at how many freedoms we have already had to sacrifice to think that we are safe. This is only the beginning. Citizens need to arm themselves. Remember, the Jews had no arms; the Poles had no arms. May God bless America even though daily we are kicking Him out of our lives.


10 posted on 09/17/2012 7:59:01 AM PDT by Saltmeat
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To: the scotsman
‘Never a Nazi to be found in 1945’, was an old saying.

I understand the dynamic. You already can't find a Republican who voted for Romney in the primaries.

11 posted on 09/17/2012 7:59:01 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("The opposite of compromise is character." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: the scotsman
No surprises here. Such behaviour in wartime is not unique to Nazi Germany. Europe's waring nations have swept the continent at one time or another in vast hordes, committing equally shocking atrocities. With the exception of Sherman's infamous march to the sea in 1864, America has so far been spared the atrocities of modern warfare. America, however, is not immune.
12 posted on 09/17/2012 7:59:55 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: EternalVigilance

You wrote, “I understand the dynamic. You already can’t find a Republican who voted for Romney in the primaries.”

You will on November 6, 2012. The amateur Obama has proven that his only objective was to turn our nation into a socialist failure. He charmed enough intelligent makers to go along with his hoards of takers to win in 2008. It isn’t going to happen again. The man is devoid of any iota of executive leadership, and he is so fearful of the Oval Office that he refuses to remain there long enough to even get any photo-ops of any consequence. Many of the pictures available from that hallowed space show him with his feet on our furniture.

He fears that if he spends any time there, he might have to make a decision that he can’t layoff on someone else. Thus he is the eternal campaigner, the eternal fund raiser, the eternal vacationer and the eternal golfer none of which can be accomplished from the Oval Office—legally that is. Oh yeah, he and Michele are noted for throwing great parties at the White House. We have enjoyed all that we can stand of him.


13 posted on 09/17/2012 8:16:48 AM PDT by Saltmeat
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To: PowderMonkey

Sherman’s march? Google “Andersonville”. Or “Santa Anna”. Or “Mankato Massacre.”. Darned tootin’ we’re not immune.


14 posted on 09/17/2012 8:19:39 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: the scotsman

The German Army sold its soul back at the start of WWI when it blew through Belgium and shot many innocent civilians. WWII was act two on a much bigger scale. The German General Staff adopted terror as a military strategy and tossed out the traditional rules of warfare.

The western Allies played by the old rules in WWI, but when confronted by Hitler’s total war in WWII, had to respond in kind, but not to the extent of horror done by Germany and the Soviet Union. Our carpet bombing of cities was pretty nasty.


15 posted on 09/17/2012 8:27:00 AM PDT by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: wbill
There's a documentary that has clips of an "I Know Nothing" town pressed ganged into "cleaning up" the neighboring camp.

That is, the citizens were the ones picking up the rotting corpses, hauling them to mass graves, and tossing the bodies in to the pits.

Might be in the "World At War" series.

16 posted on 09/17/2012 8:34:44 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: the scotsman

Ping for later


17 posted on 09/17/2012 8:44:41 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: the scotsman

Ping for later


18 posted on 09/17/2012 8:44:44 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Travis McGee

That’s a great response Travis. Pictures worth a thousand words...


19 posted on 09/17/2012 8:50:36 AM PDT by GOPJ (first they came for those clinging to their guns and religion, and I did not speak out....)
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To: Saltmeat

Re: . Many of the pictures available from that hallowed space show him with his feet on our furniture.

In the Muslim world, such a display of shoes is a sign of disrespect


20 posted on 09/17/2012 8:55:20 AM PDT by jesseam (eliev)
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To: Saltmeat

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/christopher-stevens-feeds-the-crocodile/


21 posted on 09/17/2012 8:56:13 AM PDT by khelus
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To: RicocheT
Our carpet bombing of cities was pretty nasty.

Yep. My Grandfather (same guy I commented on earlier in the thread) tried to find his relatives in Dresden after the war was over, and before he returned home. He thought perhaps he could help them out somehow.

He was unable to find them, and not for lack of trying (As well as being an officer in the Army, Grandpa was a *very* capable man). Not only were all of the relatives gone, but everyone who knew them was gone, all traces of where they lived were gone. No buildings, roads, no local government, no nothing.

22 posted on 09/17/2012 9:01:01 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Calvin Locke

I’ve seen that video clip. No sympathy here.


23 posted on 09/17/2012 9:02:14 AM PDT by wbill
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To: PowderMonkey
Actually Sherman's March (excluding the Bummers who were mostly deserters and often teamed with CSA deserters!) was remarkably free of atrocities. By atrocities I mean rapes, murders, etc. The few times if did occur Sherman cracked down hard. Now there was almost gleeful property damage, looting etc. Even my Southern sympathizing college Civil War history professor said so. And you could almost see it was killing him to say so!
24 posted on 09/17/2012 9:02:14 AM PDT by Reily (l)
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To: PowderMonkey
If you want American atrocities read about “Bleeding Kansas”. Kansas had a internal civil war with horrible atrocities. The South during the Revolution Tory militia vs Patriot militia. Both sides of the Indian wars, the Indians had an excuse they were stone age primitives, Europeans and us not so much.
25 posted on 09/17/2012 9:06:26 AM PDT by Reily (l)
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To: wbill
One junior officer boasted of what he and his men did to a woman they thought was a Russian spy: 'We beat her on the tits with a stick, clobbered her on the arse with a pistol, then all eight of us had her, then we threw her out and as she lay there, we threw grenades at her.

German elites and their 'group-think'.... they all knew - they were all in on it. They thought they were above having to be decent. They chose "Joos' as their primary victims of choice - but evil runs over it's borders... Russian children, Polish women... anyone in their way.

On the bright side, Germans aren't having children - in 200 years even the German language will be dead... not enough narcissistic self centered Germans are having children to keep the group going... At this moment - that feels like a good thing. (I'll get over it - and remember to hate the ideas behind the Germans at the time - and not hate them - sometimes it's a stuggle.)

26 posted on 09/17/2012 9:12:02 AM PDT by GOPJ (first they came for those clinging to their guns and religion, and I did not speak out....)
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To: Calvin Locke
Memories of the Camps It's PBS but it's all raw footage, ordered by Eisenhower so that future generations could not deny that it happened.
27 posted on 09/17/2012 9:14:01 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again")
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To: the scotsman
They didn't call the Germans at war “the Hun” JUST for propaganda purposes, there was an essential truth behind it.

When we liberated France our soldiers almost universally had no need to rape anyone - they were not only seen as heroes - they had money and food and chocolate and nylons.

When we moved on to Germany they thought we were going to met out the same treatment the Germans inflicted upon Europe - but our boys (by in large) were too used to getting it ‘on the cheap’ to be too interested in the horror of violent rape.

“We f*cked their mothers for chocolate bars.” as Lenny Bruce famously opined. But we (largely) saw no need to rape anyone.

28 posted on 09/17/2012 9:19:33 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Travis McGee

The story reveals that murder was a sport and a tourist attraction. It wasn’t just war, it was civil murder on a very large scale.

Anyone thinking somehow the Germans were a unique bunch and it couldn’t happen here knows nothing of the violence of the liberal. They’d love to do it here to us.


29 posted on 09/17/2012 9:27:24 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: Saltmeat

“You will on November 6, 2012.”

I bet you won’t again six months later.


30 posted on 09/17/2012 9:28:52 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: the scotsman

Thanks for posting this. I just pre-ordered it from Amazon. Release date is September 25th.


31 posted on 09/17/2012 9:37:48 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Reily

Indian POWs were generally treated pretty well, captives of Indians weren’t as lucky.

A captive of Indians if he was taken alive, was likely to serve as the Indian town’s entertainment for a few days as the women and children, mothers and fathers all watched the show put on by their leadership.

These Indian tortures weren’t atrocities that occasionally happened during the heat of battle, by renegade civilians, these were the formal entertainment of the communities, conducted formally and as a part of their culture, and for public consumption and training purposes for everyone, including the children.


32 posted on 09/17/2012 9:38:35 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: RicocheT

Although my father and his parents had already come to the U.S. from Holland in 1912, the small village he was born in was almost totally destroyed by Allied bombing during WWII. The village sits in the Breskins area, which was heavily occupied by the Germans due to the nearby port. About the only thing that survived in the village was a windmill from the 1800’s. When my son and I visited the place (Schoondijke) back in 2006, the hotel we stayed at, (the only one in the village), had an aerial photo of the destruction.


33 posted on 09/17/2012 9:48:42 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: the scotsman

-— Indoctrinated since their childhood by Nazi propaganda into believing they were supermen who could take what they wanted, defeat and capture had clearly not tilted their world view one bit. ——

Huh. Imagine that.

The full flowering of Bismark’s compulsory govt schools — the same schools that Horace Mann imported to America.


34 posted on 09/17/2012 9:51:53 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: the scotsman

Bump for later.


35 posted on 09/17/2012 9:55:18 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: ansel12
yes very true.....like the burning of the captives from Braddock's defeat (so I am told that it is roughly the site of the parking lot at old 3 Rivers stadium!) and the torture burning death of Washington's friend Colonel Crawford, which if I remember correctly was done in retaliation for the killing of peacful Christian Indians by a renegade group of Pennsylvania militia.
36 posted on 09/17/2012 10:07:41 AM PDT by Reily (l)
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To: Reily

Years ago i had an old VFW magazine article about the White Woman Of the Seneca, Mary Jemison.

The article described her first husband as having earned the respect of his community by coming up with a new form of entertainment.

Sheninjee had thought to take the children of the white mothers they had captured, and cover the children in clay, and roast them alive over a spit, while the mothers watched, I forget what they did with the meat, but at the time it was already soaking into me that Indian atrocities were not random horrors and crimes done by psychopathic killers hidden among the populace, or a few stray men pushed over the line in war. These were community affairs a culture.

In Indian life, the Mayor, the City Council and the entire town welcomed home the GI’s and prepared to make the next three days, or week if they were lucky, a celebration of serial killer type torture, and the screams of the dying.They would even nurture and refresh the victims to sustain the joyous activity.

I have read old books from Indian experts of the 1800s that say the children in some tribes were expected to torture and study animals that they could get their hands own, to learn how pain could be maximized, and delivered.

We read many accounts of raiding parties where, if they thought that they weren’t being pursued, they may take a couple of days off during the trip home, to torture to death a young teen girl, in a truly expert, methodical, formal manner.

Old books about the U.S. Army tell us that American GIs, actually did spend precious funds on small handguns for their young wife to kill herself and the children, if capture looked imminent. I think they knew things, that we aren’t told.

It is interesting to read accounts from the past, and to see how the people actually dealing with the Indians thought about the Indians, versus the New York City Easterners and writers.


37 posted on 09/17/2012 10:46:08 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Reily
During the French & Indian war the French reported numerous accounts of not only torture but of cannibalism even in the square of Montreal.
38 posted on 09/17/2012 10:47:37 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again")
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To: fella
I remember reading somewhere that the name Mohawk was a corruption of a local Indian dialect term for man-eater.

Stone age primitive people do these things.
According to classical writers the ancient Irish, Celts, Picts & some of the Germanic tribes did something similar.

39 posted on 09/17/2012 11:00:55 AM PDT by Reily (l)
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To: GOPJ

—— German elites and their ‘group-think’.... -——

They were indoctrinated into a belief system that considered other ethnicities and races to be less human, or sub-human. It helped them to rationalize their atrocities.

The same propensity for genocide exists in Islam, which regards Christians and Jews as lesser beings, and the rest of humanity as worthless.

Similarly, in Darwinian theory, the weak, and even entire races, can be regarded as “less evolved,” or unfit for survival.

Ideas have consequences. Best to oppose them in the academy, before the shooting starts.


40 posted on 09/17/2012 11:10:52 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: CodeToad

-— Anyone thinking somehow the Germans were a unique bunch and it couldn’t happen here knows nothing of the violence of the liberal. They’d love to do it here to us. -—

Half the people you meet think that the murder of unborn babies should go unpunished.

Of course it can happen here.


41 posted on 09/17/2012 11:13:51 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

And it obviously already is. They claim we should all be vegans as we “shouldn’t eat a face” but they’re willing to kill babies because they can’t see the faces.


42 posted on 09/17/2012 11:30:01 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: CodeToad

All it takes is for a few evil leaders to promote other evil officers and empower them to perform atrocities without fear of retribution. Some men will then act as evilly as their worst angels will guide them to act, and other men will either follow their lead themselves, or at best, stay on the sidelines.

Islam was built on this principle, from Mad Mo until today. Islam empowers men to act on their worst instincts: rape, murder and enslavement in the name of allah are all condoned if they further the spread of his insane cult.

Compared to Mohammed, Adolf Hitler was an amateur. Hitler’s “Thousand Year Reich” lasted only 12 years and was utterly destroyed, while Islam is still on the march.


43 posted on 09/17/2012 11:36:12 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

With Islam, the shooting has gone on for 1,400 years and I don’t see where “the academy” has done a damn thing to slow it down.


44 posted on 09/17/2012 11:38:08 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

The senior officers recruit the junior to do the dirty while covering for them. Oldest trick next to prostitution. We see this arrangment all the time. It’s just a little step to them executing people.


45 posted on 09/17/2012 11:44:27 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: CodeToad

Even today, can even get ATF agents (sworn to do the opposite), to give AK-47s to known mass-killers.

And that is in peacetime, with no war going on at home.


46 posted on 09/17/2012 3:07:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: EternalVigilance
You already can't find a Republican who voted for Romney in the primaries.

Then who did?

47 posted on 09/17/2012 3:27:03 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: GOPJ
On the bright side, Germans aren't having children - in 200 years even the German language will be dead... not enough narcissistic self centered Germans are having children to keep the group going..

In the same time span, neither will you or the country you live in. In fact, I would go so far as to say that civilization will be non-existant 200 years from now.......So who do you wish to applaud?

48 posted on 09/17/2012 3:32:41 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Ideas have consequences. Best to oppose them in the academy, before the shooting starts.

Wrong. Best to oppose them in churches, synagogues, street corners, on-line forums, letters to the editor, with neighbors, friends and family...and in the academy.

49 posted on 09/17/2012 3:34:22 PM PDT by GOPJ (first they came for those clinging to their guns and religion, and I did not speak out....)
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To: ansel12

All true. And the Jesuits, to their credit, would send new missionaries each time. Like in the film “The Mission” about priests and indians in early Brazil.


50 posted on 09/17/2012 4:03:22 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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