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USADA to strip Lance Armstrong of 7 Tour titles
Associated Press ^ | August. 23, 2012 | JIM VERTUNO

Posted on 08/23/2012 8:23:23 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency said Thursday night it will strip Lance Armstrong of his unprecedented seven Tour de France titles after he declared he was finished fighting the drug charges that threaten his legacy as one of the greatest cyclists of all time.

Travis Tygart, USADA's chief executive, said Armstrong would also be hit with a lifetime ban on Friday.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cokehead0bama; lancearmstrong; maybealittleblow; usada
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1 posted on 08/23/2012 8:23:27 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If they have sufficient proof of his guilt, that should include coaching as well. Otherwise it’s that that big of a punishment, because he’s accrued all the meaningful benefits.


2 posted on 08/23/2012 8:26:45 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

If he never tested positive, how do they have proof?


3 posted on 08/23/2012 8:28:00 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So now in America a person is guilty unless he can prove his innocence? What objective body of evidence do they have? How about his several hundred blood samples, each of which has never shown as positive.


4 posted on 08/23/2012 8:28:51 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Unless the USADA operates the Tour de France, that sounds like a meaningless gesture.


5 posted on 08/23/2012 8:30:29 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: irishtenor

This is BS!


6 posted on 08/23/2012 8:30:54 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Travis Tygart must have some really sprained wrists after announcing this.


7 posted on 08/23/2012 8:32:12 PM PDT by mkjessup (0bama squats to pee.)
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To: dfwgator

I don’t know. Maybe they kept samples that could be later tested with more sophisticated tests.


8 posted on 08/23/2012 8:33:00 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

He should tell them he’ll give them his left nut before he gives up his trophies.


9 posted on 08/23/2012 8:33:32 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency

Total waste of tax payer's money.

10 posted on 08/23/2012 8:34:06 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This stuff just is meaningless. Nobody will think his wins aren’t valid just because this agency “erases” them. It’s completely meaningless.


11 posted on 08/23/2012 8:34:48 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: mkjessup

Good!! It is my opinion he is a liar and a big steroid freak, I hear he is an egocentric jurk. Adios . You are a disgrace to real sport sir!!


12 posted on 08/23/2012 8:35:00 PM PDT by marygonzo
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This is one of the most outrageous abuses of power that I have ever heard. I would hate to hear that even though I proved my inocence over 500 times, these quasi policing bodies, corrupt as hell by the way, could pull out a piece of “evidence” and demand I defend myself for number 501 + x.

Lance “ John Demjanjuk” Armstrong.


13 posted on 08/23/2012 8:35:47 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: struggle

Just another way to destroy American exceptionalism.


14 posted on 08/23/2012 8:35:47 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Unless the USADA operates the Tour de France, that sounds like a meaningless gesture.

This. Throw in a "lifetime ban" from a sport from which Armstrong has already retired. I need to go re-read Les Miserable - there is something very Javert like about this pursuit.
15 posted on 08/23/2012 8:37:22 PM PDT by rockvillem
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To: marygonzo
Good!! It is my opinion he is a liar and a big steroid freak, I hear he is an egocentric jurk. Adios . You are a disgrace to real sport sir!!

I agree, Travis Tygart is indeed a disgrace.
16 posted on 08/23/2012 8:37:43 PM PDT by mkjessup (0bama squats to pee.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This is a surprise to no one. Especially the guys that finished behind him thinking, “No way”.


18 posted on 08/23/2012 8:44:29 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Wait... Did Armstrong vote Republican or something?


19 posted on 08/23/2012 8:47:33 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: irishtenor
USADA brought charges against Armstrong, who had the opportunity to go to an arbitration hearing before a three-person panel of arbitrators (one of whom Armstrong could select, the second USADA could select, and third who would have been chosen by agreement among the other two arbitrators). At this arbitration hearing, USADA would have put on its evidence (said to consist of as least as many as 10 witnesses (former Armstrong teammates, etc., as well as so-called "bio-passport" data derived from blood tests done on Armstrong during races, including the last Tours de France he rode, after he came out of retirement in 2009). Armstrong and/or his counsel could have cross-examined those witnesses, put on their own witnesses (including rebuttal experts, etc.)).

The panel of arbitrators would have heard the evidence and then given its verdict. If Armstrong had lost at that stage, he would have had an opportunity to appeal the adverse decision to the international Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Armstrong chose not to pursue arbitration at all. What USADA is now prepared to do is akin to what happens when one gets sued in a civil action, and one chooses not to answer the complaint. One can have a "default judgment" rendered against him.

By the way, by virtue of holding a professional license from USA Cycling, which recognizes USADA's authority to enforce anti-doping rules to which cyclists are subject in the U.S., Armstrong acquiesced in the legitimacy of the aforementioned process. That is one reason a federal district court threw out Armstrong's own lawsuit the other day, in which Armstrong had challenged USADA's jurisdiction and authority over him.

20 posted on 08/23/2012 8:48:25 PM PDT by DSH
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Guilty because he stopped fighting the charges.

I guess that makes sense to some here.

I hope Zimmerman doesn’t stop fighting his charges.


21 posted on 08/23/2012 8:51:08 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: marygonzo

What was your previous userid?


22 posted on 08/23/2012 8:51:28 PM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The stench is not breathable.
23 posted on 08/23/2012 9:00:23 PM PDT by Musketeer
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To: eddie willers

So you endorse a witch hunt based upon jealousy and nothing more? Sorry, but the USADA should put up or shut up. He never failed a drug test and they’ve produced nothing to prove otherwise.


24 posted on 08/23/2012 9:02:31 PM PDT by Last of the Mohicans
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What a disappointment. If you’re innocent, you fight. Who’s going to care about his foundation now that he’s cast himself as a quitter...?


25 posted on 08/23/2012 9:08:56 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Last of the Mohicans
The USADA was prepared to "put up." They brought the charges, asserted they had the evidence, and were prepared to go to an adversarial hearing before a panel of independent arbitrators to put on their evidence. Armstrong is the one who declined to defend himself.

As Robert Shaw said to Paul Newman in The Sting: "You're not only a cheat. You're a gutless cheat as well."

26 posted on 08/23/2012 9:09:33 PM PDT by DSH
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To: Last of the Mohicans

He’s right up there with Barry Bonds.


27 posted on 08/23/2012 9:10:42 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: DSH
USADA also said it had 10 former Armstrong teammates ready to testify against him. . . . [T]he agency has refused to say who they are or specifically what they would say.

It's hard to prepare cross-examination and rebuttal experts when the prosecution won't disclose their evidence and witnesses. He's been fighting these allegations since 1999 and has endured a 2-year federal investigation.

The situation makes me think of endlessly battling the IRS or some other behemoth federal agency -- they'll keep hounding you with unlimited resources until you crack. If he had persisted and the USADA didn't succeed in their quest this time, I don't believe for a second they wouldn't turn around and try again. And again. And again.

This is more akin to not answering the tenth complaint arising from the same set of facts. I can't even figure out what axe the USADA has to grind by pursuing this issue into perpetuity.

28 posted on 08/23/2012 9:13:29 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: DSH

The man has been tested far more than any other athlete in history and has never been found to have used a banned substance. His testing was consistant with all the other testing done during his reign. He never failed a test. Why would they now continue with this stupid attack on him? He is out of racing, he has never been proven to have used illegal substances, and yet the whimpering cries of jealousy from his former teammates and foes now hold more weight than true objective tests held during his 7 years of conquest.


29 posted on 08/23/2012 9:18:47 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I would like to see his margin of victory in each race. Did he win by miles or a few hundred feet...how much better was Lance VS the competition???


30 posted on 08/23/2012 9:18:55 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: dragonblustar

“The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency”

What do these people do? We STILL ended up with Obama and Biden!


31 posted on 08/23/2012 9:24:54 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: FoxInSocks

Hey, how else are these people going to keep the gravy rolling in if they don’t go after people like Armstrong forever? Have to justify their existence somehow.


32 posted on 08/23/2012 9:26:20 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (The beauty of liberalism is that the stupid can feel smart, the lazy can feel entitled, and the immo)
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To: marygonzo
Having helped raise more than 300 million dollars in cancer research. Helped raise interest in a sport that before was mostly off the charts in America.

What have you done lately? What does that make you?

You are welcomed to your opinion(s) regardless how moronic they may be, but at least have a brain to spell correctly that which you accuse someone of being.

33 posted on 08/23/2012 9:29:43 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: terycarl
how much better was Lance VS the competition

A major key? Like the NY Yankees, he had the best team money could buy. So when you are riding a 2400 mile race and you have the right team mate for the right circumstance to give you an advantage to place in the top 10 every day (and some times even win a day), your probability of winning the whole 2400 mile race goes up.

34 posted on 08/23/2012 9:32:33 PM PDT by llevrok (2012 : This is a civil war, not an election)
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To: terycarl
Scroll to the bottom of this Wikipedia entry, and you can examine all the Tour de France margins of victory.
35 posted on 08/23/2012 9:33:00 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Armstrong passed the tests. All else is hot air.


36 posted on 08/23/2012 9:34:13 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Face it, he’s dirty


37 posted on 08/23/2012 9:41:49 PM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Lance Armstrong - Cyclist on Steroids!


38 posted on 08/23/2012 9:44:59 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: dfwgator

If he never tested positive, how do they have proof?

Have followed and partissipated in endurance sport for more than sixty years, and I have been pretty sure that Armstrong used some type of tetesteron doping in the late 1990s and he tested positive in two tests in 2009 and 2010, but he managed to bribe some officials, donating over 100 000 $ and they hid the tests and didn’t release the resaults, but as always, somebody found out, in this case, a french news paper, anyway, lots of info on this out there


39 posted on 08/23/2012 9:51:41 PM PDT by munin
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To: Free ThinkerNY
..and his gossip-page romances with rocker Sheryl Crow,..

I really had no opinion of him until I saw this. Now I do have an opinion of him.

40 posted on 08/23/2012 9:53:15 PM PDT by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
But the cyclist has said he believes most people have already made up their minds about whether he's a fraud or a persecuted hero.

As evidenced by reading any Internet thread or listening to any conversation about Lance Armstrong over the past five or ten years.

41 posted on 08/23/2012 9:55:51 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: marygonzo

“Good!! It is my opinion he is a liar and a big steroid freak, I hear he is an egocentric jurk. Adios . You are a disgrace to real sport sir!!”

I tend to agree, just too many people coming out and saying he did it.


42 posted on 08/23/2012 9:56:38 PM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: FoxInSocks

“It’s hard to prepare cross-examination and rebuttal experts when the prosecution won’t disclose their evidence and witnesses”

They didn’t say Armstrong didn’t have that list, just that the public didn’t.


43 posted on 08/23/2012 10:01:42 PM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: WILLIALAL

I reread it, and I’ll agree it’s not specific. In this context, however, I still have the impression they haven’t revealed the information to anyone at all, but you may be right.


44 posted on 08/23/2012 10:09:48 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: krb
Richard Wad, or the female equivalent.
45 posted on 08/23/2012 10:10:46 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The great irony of this is that the stripped titles will almost certainly be awarded to other dopers. During that time it was standard procedure.

I fail to see what has been accomplished here.


46 posted on 08/23/2012 10:14:10 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: Last of the Mohicans

According to Fox Sports, USADA is claiming that samples Armstrong gave in 2009 and 2010 are positive for masking agents.

Of course, that’s years after his last Tour win.

I’ve always accepted Armstrong at his word.

But the growing list of team mates who have testified against him has cracked my confidence in the guy.


47 posted on 08/23/2012 10:28:09 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: RichardW

Exactly. If what they say is true, this agency will be stripping titles from one doper and giving them to another.


48 posted on 08/23/2012 10:48:43 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Reagan√úberAlles

The losers claiming the winner just had to be cheating...just had to be...else how could he have possibly won.

Old story...tired old story but the losers are still losers.


49 posted on 08/23/2012 11:14:39 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

And, 200 or 300 yeats from now, archeologists who will already be laughing at the fools we will appear to be with Global Warming and Obama, will re-examine the whole Lance Armstrong issue and discover that it truly WAS a witch hunt!!

But, how will Lance and his family regain their honor, his medals and his accomplishments???

It’s heartbreaking that America alwaus has to be the ones that go after the folks on top. Doubtless, there are dirty politics at work, here.

Disgusting!


50 posted on 08/23/2012 11:24:39 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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