Posted on 08/18/2012 8:01:20 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
Stunning new footage of six police officers gunning down a Michigan man in an intense, five-second burst of 46 shots was made public Friday, setting off fierce reaction from members of a community still grappling with the incident.
"I'm stunned that six human beings would stand in front of one human being and fire 46 shots," victim Milton Hall’s mother, Jewel, told CNN.
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Suicide by police. He knew what beast he was throwing himself into the jaws of.
Though it does sound like the taser was tailor made for this kind of situation, if for any.
If the threat of lethal force is not instantly neutralized five seconds can seem like an eternity.
On full auto 7 rounds per cop is not unreasonable.
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Another police brutality Springsteen song about this..
My father in law was a policeman. He told me about the time he tried to shoot a knife out of a guy’s hand.
“It don’t work like in the movies.”
It should be pointed out to the “TAZER BAD TAZER BAD BAN IT NOW BAN IT NOW” crowd that this is the other alternative to the Tazer. Which do they prefer?
Not watching. This stuff shouldn’t be on line
Probably best to not frighten them.
Watch? Why would I want to watch another human being losing their life? I don’t care who he is or what he did, seeing someone die is not entertainment.
This is from Chicago:
Police sergeant shoots knife-wielding driver after Loop accident
If one shot had been fired and killed him, would the people be as worked up?
Although I cannot comment on this particular situation, I do know that cope are supposed to be trained to avoid pulling out their guns, if possible.
However, once the decision has been made to pull out the gun, you either unquestionably surrender or you risk being shot.
I agree that 46 bullets seem like a lot, but each cop is running under the assumption that the other cops may not be firing their guns. There’s also the reality that some peeps still fire their guns despite having been shot 20 times.
"Assaultive"?? I just love cop-speak. They more often-than-not end up tripping over their tongues.
And so the debate goes back and forth, and the fact that tasers rarely kill ends up being a temptation to deploy them in trivial cases where there is little or no true danger to police personnel. But still. Why did this group have none, or not wish to try them, for this clearly irrationally combative nut. That’s why the taser was invented, to bring a humane end to such horrible face offs.
We ought to ask ourselves how, in a life-or-death situation, they might have orchestrated a “cleaner” kill, one less likely to offend public sensibilities.
At least the guy wasn’t handcuffed in the back of a police car when he was shot, like that guy in Arkansas.
At least the guy wasn’t handcuffed in the back of a police car when he was shot, like that guy in Arkansas.
We have an English word that describes what was done to this man - SLAUGHTER!
I carried a badge for over 30 years; this was uncalled for, was incompetently handled, and verges on murder.
Sure they squeezed off 46 rounds...
Given some LEO’s inability to hit the broad side of a barn..
How many of them hit their intended target?
Good question. And judging from the video, I wonder how many rounds hit him in the back.
I'm pro-cop, but this will not be good. I'm sure Al Sharpton is flying in as we speak.
Apparently the Saginaw PD had tazed someone back in April and the guy died.
http://www.minbcnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=740772#.UDBdVEROiKg
My guess is the Tazers were then probably blocked from use pending a review.
Once the police start shooting, how many shots they fire is insignificant. Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight. There is a video on the web somewhere of a similar situation in South America. The cops were too hesitant to shoot and the bad guy managed to cut one or two and actually killed one. Remember the 21 foot rule. A person can cover 21 feet before even an experienced person can draw a gun.
To watch or not to watch is a personal call. The video might be instructive to others. I watched the Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg murders to steel my resolve that the perpetrators of the “religion of peace” were my enemies. The videos were gruesome to be sure but violent death is quite commonplace whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
Even better as far as racial poverty pimpers are concerned, Barack Obama gets to Zimmerize the whole group. Why would Barack turn the opportunity down? He’s enough of a fool to double and triple down on it.
Looks to me, after a few viewings, like he was walking away. Somebody got itchy and the rest on hearing the first shot let her rip. That’s the problem with groups with guns. The shoot or don’t shoot training cenerios don’t include all your buddies on your right and left shooting.
Nightmare.
The homicide is between 1:45 and 1:50. Leading up to it the victim is belligerent, indecisive and obviously ‘not right’. The police bring out a dog and he freaks. It then looks like turns his back and starts to walk away, and they all open up on him simultaneously like at a firing range. Frankly, it looks like they shot him in the back as he was retreating. Film is shot from a distance, so hard to see. Fortunately for the viewer it is too distant to be gruesome, but if this is a ‘justifiable’ use and level of force in the circumstances then we are indeed in a Yankee-doodle Soviet.
I am not sure that general knowledge that the target is ‘assaultive’ is an adequate defense just yet.
Reports: Albuquerque police activist is mother of Milton Hall, homeless man killed in altercation with police
She said witnesses told her that her son walked into a store for coffee and “either forgot to pay for it or made a remark to the clerk,” which is why the clerk called police.
She said he was holding a “plastic knife, like you would get in the convenience store,” according to reports.
Police said Milton Hall was wielding a 3-inch folding knife.
Several sites, including the Albuquerque Journal and SFGate.com, refer to Jewel Hall as an Albuquerque police critic because she has been pushing for a federal probe of the Albuquerque Police Department over 24 officer-involved shootings since 2010.
Maybe one of the cops though he/she could shoot the knife from his hand but failed to notify the other officers of the plan.
With tasers this fellow might theoretically have died... without tasers he was guaranteed Swiss Cheese. What to do, what to do? Liberals hoist on their own petard.
There was no life or death situation. There were, however, 6 guns against 1 knife. They either panicked or just simply wanted to fill him full of lead. It tells me there were no cool heads there. It’s ok, until it happens to one of us.
“How many of them hit their intended target?”
Enough.
Yup. And they won’t allow cops to have nightsticks because they might use them to Rodney King someone for being black. -rolleyes-
That video does not make the officers look very good. There did not look to be a threat that warranted that reaction. A taser was surely indicated, or why did they not use the dog as they had threatened? Shooting has come to be the first alternative now. He was likely shot because he did not obey commands, regardless of any perceived danger. When an officer knows that all he has to do to clear himself of a uniformed killing is to say, “I felt threatened,” he is much more likely to shoot a suspect or a perp just because it is easier than other methods.
No tasers (though perhaps per spktyr, maybe that was simply not allowed) and group shooting the knifist in the back.
Yup (and I didn’t want to look, I am not a voyeur of slayings) this is going to be pretty. Barack Obama now has a fairly plausible case of “police acted stupidly” to toss out in his campaign. Get waffling civil libertarians back to his side.
Hope the guy who filmed that makes it to court to testify.....
Even conking him cold over the head from behind would have been far superior to what seemed to have transpired.
Jewel Hall told the Albuquerque Journal that her son struggled with a mild form of mental illness through the years but was able to live on his own and did have an apartment in Saginaw.
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And you know who was paying for that. Dear media, he wasn’t homeless!
So the moral is we ought to shoot nuts on welfare?
Seems like there could be a better way to subdue a knife wielding suspect and all those cops around. Why not fire some sort of netting around him and then run it around in a circle to wrap him all up. Seems a bit excessive gunning him down like that surrounded by multiple police.
“I didn’t want to look, I am not a voyeur of slayings”
Your decision is wise. Such things take their toll. I once had to watch an evidence tape of a male prostitute demonstrating all that he was capable of performing. If I could get those sullied bits of my brain cut out I would. Homicides, torture etc. are even worse.
That is part of the problem here, too. Police are exposed to the worst behavior of the species day after day. It is not an edifying or uplifting experience. IMO, most city street cops are simmering at some level of emotional trauma most of the time, on duty or off.
Ugly incident, and it won’t end well for anyone.
Psalm 144: It then looks like turns his back and starts to walk away,
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I agree. He was walking away.
Where did I say that? I think I can speak for myself without your “help”.
Yes, but not nearly as worked up as watching a city-sanctioned firing squad in action.
Reminds me of how Capone would mow people down.
“How many of them hit their intended target?”
Maybe they were all trying to shoot the dog.
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