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Pussy Riot and Russia's surreal 'justice'
CNN ^ | 08/17/12 | Rachel Denber

Posted on 08/17/2012 4:22:14 PM PDT by BurningOak

Moscow (CNN) -- There is no basic human right to barge into a church to make a political statement, jump around near the altar, and shout obscenities. But there is most certainly the right not to lose your liberty for doing so, even if the act is offensive.

But that is exactly what happened Friday. A court in Moscow sentenced the three members of the feminist punk band Pussy Riot to two years in prison.

In my two decades monitoring human rights in Russia I've never seen anything like the Pussy Riot case -- the media attention, the outpouring of public support, the celebrity statements for the detained and criminally charged punk band members.

The image of three young women facing down an inexorable system of unfair justice and an oppressive state has crystallized for many in the West what is wrong with human rights in Russia. To be sure, it is deeply troubling.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: freedomofspeech; putin; russia; tyranny
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To: BurningOak

Apparently there is no logic in BurningOak.

But by all means carry on in the random defense of secular disruption and trespass.


51 posted on 08/17/2012 5:46:24 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: BurningOak
KGB controlled churches...

There's that unholy ghost again...

52 posted on 08/17/2012 5:47:09 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: BurningOak

I wouldn’t compare what these three women did to what Christ did. They stormed into a church that wasn’t their place of worship, and they used blasphemy and profanity in their so-called protest.

BTW, have you seen their video for this “performance”? Here it is:
http://news.linktv.org/videos/pussy-riots-punk-prayer-was-it-worth-two-years-in-prison?start=0

I don’t know. I’m leaning toward prison time just for producing possibly the worst piece of music in history. J/K ;-)


53 posted on 08/17/2012 5:53:03 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: donna

Freedom of religion is the first freedom. These three young women are just thugs denying freedom of religion to others.


This was in Russia. Our Bill of Rights doesn’t apply there. It barely applies here!


54 posted on 08/17/2012 5:54:43 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: BurningOak

....Editor’s note: Rachel Denber is deputy director of the Europe and Central Asia division at Human Rights Watch.....

That says it ALL!!!!

“Human rightsers” have caused all manner of evil for DECADES!!!!

They CREATED Robert Mugabe! They demonized Lebanese Christians in the 1970s and 1980s, and Orthodox Christian Serbs in the 1990s and 2000s. The result has been the genocide of white Rhodesians and Matabele in the former Rhodesia, the creation of the Hizbollah muslim state in Lebanon, and the ethnic cleansing of Serbs in Krajina, Bosnia and Kosovo, with the creation of muslim criminal states in Bosnia and Kosovo!!!!

I FULLY support the Russian Orthodox and Serbian Orthodox Churches, which are the heart and soul of the Russian and Serbian people. I applaud Russia for making “human rightser” NGOs register as the foreign agents they are, and teaching the blasphemous, anti-Orthodox punkster women a lesson they will never forget!

The Church supports giving them a chance to repent, followed by a pardon. Fine with me. But “human rightser” NGOs have got to go!!!!

We may not like Putin—I don’t like a lot of what he does, either. But Putin came into power as the direct result of clinton’s nearly successful plot to destroy Russia forever under Yeltsin and the oligarchs. clinton’s Kosovo War was the last straw. As a result, the drunken, uber-weak Yeltsin put Putin into power. This may be thought of as yet another result of “human rightserism”!!!!

As for “real Christianity”—the Orthodox Church is the true Church established by the Holy Spirit in 33 AD. All the others are the result of schism. Rather than trying to make Russia protestant, we all need to return home to Orthodoxy.


55 posted on 08/17/2012 5:58:42 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: BurningOak

>> When a church enters the service of the KGB it stops being a church.

Agreed. I think there’s an Amendment for that — not referring to the often misinterpreted letter.


56 posted on 08/17/2012 5:58:45 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: BurningOak

So they did a less violent, more polite version of what Christ did at the Jewish temple?


Jesus is God on Earth in human form. The temple is HIS HOUSE!


57 posted on 08/17/2012 5:58:50 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: skeeter

“see Madonna breaking rocks in SIberia”

Pay per view? lol


58 posted on 08/17/2012 6:00:40 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: BurningOak; Honorary Serb

BO: Your vicious hatred doesn’t belong here on a discussion list for normal people. The Russian Orthodox Church lost tens of millions of people under Communism.


59 posted on 08/17/2012 6:02:31 PM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: BurningOak; All

Just for laughs, here’s the original video showing exactly what happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grEBLskpDWQ

Aside from the profanity (in their language, apparently), they were causing a major disturbance. What would happen if a Tea Party protest did something like that?


60 posted on 08/17/2012 6:09:20 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: BurningOak

I just want to add: Or, what would happen if a group of men had done what they did?


61 posted on 08/17/2012 6:12:33 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: BurningOak

Whom are you working for?


62 posted on 08/17/2012 6:27:00 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: BurningOak
There is no basic human right to barge into a church to make a political statement, jump around near the altar, and shout obscenities. But there is most certainly the right not to lose your liberty for doing so, even if the act is offensive.

"The right to lose your liberty"? WTF?

Uh, Rachel, they broke the law, they went to jail, if you don't like the sentence stick to that without trying to, like, think and chew gum at the same time.

But WHILE you're thinking about things anyway, do you have any comments on the recent stories about Muslims CRUCIFYING their opponents?

Rachel?

Hellloooooo, Rachel?

63 posted on 08/17/2012 6:27:09 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Honorary Serb
...Editor’s note: Rachel Denber is deputy director of the Europe and Central Asia division at Human Rights Watch...

Thanks, it does explain it all. I don't like to give CNN hits, so I wouldn't see it.

Burning Oak should have fessed up to a HRW source.

Thanks also for the list of HRW engineered ethnic cleansing and genocides.

...Putin came into power as the direct result of Clinton’s nearly successful plot to destroy Russia forever under Yeltsin and the oligarchs.

Yep, the Marxist DemoRats have been forcing America into anti Christian warfare for longer than the Zero's tenure.

I FULLY support the Russian Orthodox and Serbian Orthodox Churches, which are the heart and soul of the Russian and Serbian people. I applaud Russia for making “human rightser” NGOs register as the foreign agents they are, and teaching the blasphemous, anti-Orthodox punkster women a lesson they will never forget!

The Church supports giving them a chance to repent, followed by a pardon. Fine with me. But “human rightser” NGOs have got to go!!!!

Finally a realistic view of Church policy. I agree.

Pussy Riot, HRW, the leftist international MSM, Hollywood and entertainment celebrities are the really bad guys here, and I mean REALLY bad.

64 posted on 08/17/2012 6:31:12 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: BurningOak

They got off easy. I’d hope that they’d get a stiffer sentence here in Texas if they pulled that stunt.


65 posted on 08/17/2012 6:37:37 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: allendale

I bet they would literally be torn to pieces if they tried


66 posted on 08/17/2012 6:38:19 PM PDT by winodog
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To: BurningOak

Three contemptible little leftist pigs. But I agree two years in jail is a bit much for their stunt.


67 posted on 08/17/2012 6:39:18 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

Thank you, Burning Oak needed that.


68 posted on 08/17/2012 6:40:44 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Psychiatry is just another religion and we have allowed it to be threaded all through our judicial system.


69 posted on 08/17/2012 6:43:12 PM PDT by donna (Republicans wont change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

This Roman Catholic is right there with you.


70 posted on 08/17/2012 6:45:09 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BurningOak

Russian leftists like these “smart and sassy” atheist lesbians have a history of mass murdering Christians and burning down churches. I’m glad they are going to prision. We have some atheist Christian haters attacking churches and Christians here who need have their pussy riot moved into a prision, too.


71 posted on 08/17/2012 6:45:28 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: PAR35
They got off easy. I’d hope that they’d get a stiffer sentence here in Texas if they pulled that stunt.

They were convicted for hooliganism aimed at inciting religious hatred. Do you want such hate laws in this country... yes or no?

72 posted on 08/17/2012 6:47:56 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: BurningOak
Regarding your multiple comments equating our Lord to these vile characters - stop your blasphemy.
This 'Pussy Riot' group was not motivated by a zeal of God the Father, instead their actions were motivated to support sexual perversion. A perversion that is an abomination to God; a perversion that kills the body and the soul.
73 posted on 08/17/2012 6:50:06 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Ken H
They were convicted for hooliganism aimed at inciting religious hatred. Do you want such hate laws in this country... yes or no?

Sort of like the Gay Mafia in this country.

74 posted on 08/17/2012 7:00:16 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Ken H; PAR35
They were convicted for hooliganism aimed at inciting religious hatred. Do you want such hate laws in this country... yes or no?

Moot, we already have such laws in the United States, they're just enforced against conservatives, Christians, Republicans, and straight White men exclusively.

75 posted on 08/17/2012 7:05:17 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: BurningOak

Christ is very much alive today. As members of the band and the church will soon find out.....


76 posted on 08/17/2012 7:16:08 PM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: BurningOak; All

Pussy riot is a feminist wing of a neo-bolshevik group “Vojna” aka “War”. Their activity is centered against a church and law-enforcement.

Another their acts are “Dick in the ass” punk performance in a courtroom, “mentopop” performance which was about robbing a supermarket wearing a mix of police uniform and a priest’s dress, burnind down one and turning upside down another police vehicle, a series of sexual assaults on police women in subways etc.

In fact some of their “comrades” were on trial for these things before, that is there this “Dick in the ass” performance from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUaJLNonytg
You can see all these faces.

“Mordovian hour” performance on May, 1 2008 (throwing stray cats into McDonald’s kitchen to feed animals with decadent food and make low-paid workforce celebrate Labor day as they claim it):
http://plucer.livejournal.com/199615.html

Attacks on police cadets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0A8Qf893cs
Note the song in Yiddish in background. It is a Jewish bolshevik song from October revolution, which is roughly about “!@#$ the police”. AFAIK one of performers was finally shot in process.

Mentopop:
http://plucer.livejournal.com/94884.html

A “screw the feds” prank on KGB agent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ory-oJlK3ho&feature=related

Burning up a police truck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCm-s-vTebA

Another police vehicle destroyed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uBQBtnkmec

And that is their promo video:
http://rutube.ru/video/6a7f22163d2b7deb93982c7101508723/

I’m not including public orgies, sex with a frozen chicken in store etc.
They need to get jailed forever.


77 posted on 08/17/2012 7:26:06 PM PDT by cunning_fish (.)
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To: PAR35

So do you want such hate laws in this country... yes or no?


78 posted on 08/17/2012 7:28:53 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: cunning_fish
Pussy Riot is even worse that I thought.

Bolshevik Commies, the worst of the worst.

Then again, look who's kissing them, I shoulda known.

Seems Burning Oak is kinda quiet, maybe he went out, or got taken for a ride.

79 posted on 08/17/2012 7:57:24 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: workerbee

“What, and let the opportunity to print & say PUSSY RIOT all over the airwaves go to waste?”

...and that, ladies and gentlemen, is an example of why the FR Class of 98, is so far superior to any other.

Bravo! Great post, and by the way (I really like spelling that out), Workerbee, you owe me a keyboard.

PUSSY RIOT PUSSY RIOT PUSSY RIOT PUSSY RIOT PUSSY RIOT PUSSY RIOT PUSSY RIOT PUSSY RIOT
Sorry, couldn’t resist...


80 posted on 08/17/2012 8:00:06 PM PDT by VMI70
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To: BurningOak; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows

81 posted on 08/17/2012 8:01:45 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: cunning_fish

Good research. After watching those videos, now the two-year sentence seems too light.


82 posted on 08/17/2012 8:05:00 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: BurningOak; dfwgator

Winter is coming....watch yer back

Squirrels have your number


83 posted on 08/17/2012 8:09:32 PM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: Navy Patriot
Damn right

And he has balls

Looks good bare chested to be old

Loves young girls

Scares the shit out of Islamic separatists

Broke up the appartchik oy vey in name only Mafia and replaced it with loyalists of his own

And is willing to preserve Russian culture.....he gets it

While we let ours be destroyed before our eyes

You could do worse for a nationalist would be autocrat

He will parole them in 6 months or less.....

84 posted on 08/17/2012 8:16:55 PM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: dfwgator; Honorary Serb; Navy Patriot; donna
Thanks!

I've been several times in the church in question (Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Moscow). It took 47 years to build (1836-1883), like many other major cathedrals around the world. It could easily hold 10,000 to 20,000 people standing inside (no seats, of course). And our services last at least 2 hours.

It was built to honor the memory of those who fell defending Christian civilization against Napoleon in the War of 1812, and in fact Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture was written to be premiered for the dedication of the church.

As a symbol of the religious spirit of the nation, it stood a short distance from the Kremlin, which itself has some amazing churches dating from the late 1400s. It was destroyed in 1931 on order of Stalin (non-Russian, atheist) because of his hatred of Orthodox Christianity and of the Russian nation.

After being rebuilt 1995-2000, it has been the visible symbol of a resurgent Russian Orthodox Church which has over 100,000,000 adherents, and there have been several instances when religious processions numbering 250,000 have started from the grounds.

This whole performance and uproar is not just 3 innocent young women expressing their opinion and being unjustly persecuted. It is the deliberate introduction of demonic forces into a sacred space for the purpose of harming the spiritual peace of a sanctuary. Just as Stalin destroyed its "body" in 1931, these people wish to destroy its "soul".

85 posted on 08/18/2012 2:55:42 AM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: BurningOak

But it is NOT there to cause disruptions to church services.

It would be the same if it happened in a Church of England service and the protestors thought the Church was an arm of the government. While 2 yrs is a bit harsh, I get the impression this is not their first rodeo, protest-wise.

Meanwhile, the Muslim Brotherhood is crucifying people on the streets. Our State Department can’t seem to muster up much moral outrage over that.....but some punks? On it like white on rice.


86 posted on 08/18/2012 5:42:03 AM PDT by Adder (Da bro has GOT to go!)
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To: Ken H

I don’t consider laws against trespass, or disrupting a private meeting, to be hate crime laws.

Go join your buddy Fred Phelps and his cult at Westboro. Sounds like you’d fit right in.


87 posted on 08/18/2012 6:42:53 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Tired of Taxes
arrested on charges of "hooliganism fueled by religious hatred"

Guilty as Charged

Penalty enhancers for Desecration of Music and Fashion should be applied.

I read the translated women's post verdict statements yesterday. I was struck and amused by the irony with which they quoted the very scriptures they mock in their defense.

Then they allude to themselves as Martyrs. Laughable . . .
88 posted on 08/18/2012 7:14:19 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: PGR88

Too late. Hillary is already pumping money into this. The Pussy Riot support campaign is spearheaded by one Oksana Chelysheva, who is a member of the board of the Finnish-Russian Civic Forum, a member of the Steering Committee of the EU-Russia Civil Society Forum, and Deputy Executive Director of the Helsinki-based Russian-Chechen Friendship Society Forum - all NED and Soros funded organizations. Now you wonder why these organizations are so ubiquitous - because Obama has spent at least a billion dollars on “democracy promotion” in Russia alone, and the people who work at them are paid handsomely according to some eastern European friends of mine.


89 posted on 08/18/2012 7:44:51 AM PDT by tovarich
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To: BraveMan

lol... After watching their video, my teenaged son commented that they should get another five years just for calling themselves a “band.”

Where did you read their post verdict statements?


90 posted on 08/18/2012 8:02:51 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: PAR35
I don’t consider laws against trespass, or disrupting a private meeting, to be hate crime laws.

Neither do I, but that's not what this is about, now is it. It's about going to prison for 'inciting religious hatred'. So do you want such laws here in the US?

If so, then you can join your buddies in the UN.

91 posted on 08/18/2012 9:05:36 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: PAR35
I don’t consider laws against trespass, or disrupting a private meeting, to be hate crime laws.

Neither do I, but that's not what this is about, now is it. It's about going to prison for 'inciting religious hatred'. So do you want such laws here in the US?

If so, then you can join your buddies in the UN.

92 posted on 08/18/2012 9:05:36 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

Thank you for the inside story.


93 posted on 08/18/2012 12:07:40 PM PDT by donna (Republicans wont change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: BurningOak

They have desecrated church, I think that sentence was too mild.


94 posted on 08/18/2012 3:51:39 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
http://nplusonemag.com/pussy-riot-closing-statements
95 posted on 08/19/2012 4:37:05 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: All

Nadezhda Tolokonnikova


Maria Alyokhina

Yekaterina Samutsevich


96 posted on 08/19/2012 5:45:48 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: BraveMan

LOL. After reading their statements (thanks for the link), those pictures are probably how they see themselves.


97 posted on 08/19/2012 8:44:37 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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