Republican vice presidential candidate U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, right, spoke at an event at Lakewood High School on Tuesday Aug. 14, 2012. (THE DENVER POST | Joe Amon)
Posted on 08/14/2012 2:33:23 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Paul Ryan's realism about the fiscal cliff is showing signs of appealing to younger voters, a group which overwhelmingly voted for Obama, and which has been buffeted by the economy worse than most other demographic slices. The Washington Examiner reports on the latest Zogby poll:
"According to Zogby the Ryan pick helped Romney with younger voters and independents, two key battleground constituencies. "Romney saw a bump in support among 18-29 year olds with 41 percent saying they would vote for the ticket of Romney and Ryan," said Zogby. "More importantly, Romney and Ryan led Obama and Biden among independent voters 45 percent to 40 percent." [emphasis added]
Added the pollsters: "If numbers like this hold, this could spell real trouble for the president who won with 66 percent of 18-29 year olds in 2008."
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Hope & Change turned out to be a bad prom date kiddies.
I can’t wait for the likely female voter poll. NARAL is going to be SO disappointed!
Romney didn’t become a hundred millionaire by picking bad peopel. I am beginning to think that the pick of Ryan will be afterwards seen as the greatest pick for V.P. since, ... since.... well, since forever!
Romney, for all his RINOness, showed his leadership, management and organizational skills in picking him.
Romney didn’t become a hundred millionaire by picking bad peopel. I am beginning to think that the pick of Ryan will be afterwards seen as the greatest pick for V.P. since, ... since.... well, since forever!
Romney, for all his RINOness, showed his leadership, management and organizational skills in picking him.
If they’re smart - and it’s clear that’s a rare trait in the young - they’ll realize that it is they who will be forced over time to pick up the tab for Obama’s brainless and astoundingly wasteful socialism.
/johnny
Gen-Xs time to save us from the Baby Bummers!
As long a he sticks to fixing the economy and not get in the way of the congress on other stuff, it will be peachy keen.
Johnny, allow me to educate you. You said you won’t be voting for either liberal. Untrue. By not voting - you are voting for obama. It doesn’t get any simpler than that.
My vote won't increase Obama's vote count by a single vote.
Math is difficult for some people.
If the GOP wants my vote, they need to run a conservative.
There. I've 'splained it to you.
/johnny
I’m the same as JR Freeper.
If the republican party were serious about enacting reforms that are crucial to young people - then they would not have nominated Romney.
I’m supporting the candidate who is serious about these things - Virgil Goode.
If you want my vote next time - put the conservative driving the bus, not as the eye candy passenger seat.
True. But no vote or a 3rd party vote is one less vote Obama will need to win.
I, for one, choose not to make it easy for him. My vote for Romney/Ryan makes him come up with another vote somewhere to offset my choice.
Take a group of 50 liberals & 50 conservatives:
- 2 of the conservatives don’t vote
- the libs win -> 50 to 48
simple math...
Therein lies the irony. People who won't settle for anything less that a true conservative help elect a Socialist dictator.
Unintended consequences.
That's what we face. Don't conflate the GOP with conservative. They aren't. Which is why I won't vote for their liberal for president.
/johnny
Virgil Goode = Ross Perot effect.
Yep, that showed em...
/johnny
If the GOP-e wants my vote, they need to push a conservative, instead of a liberal.
You might try to get them to stuff a sock in Rove's mouth when he trash-talks conservatives.
/johnny
If the young guy is winning the youth vote, watch for Obama’s hair to turn black again.
I got it - nothing matters. We should just wait for it all to go up in flames - right?
Good on ya mate - that’ll show em...
Pyhrric victory - one to brag about to the grandkids. “Yep - I sat back and watched it all burn...”
My Rush/Reagan ‘baby’ is thrilled......and so are his friends! They will be walking on broken glass to get to the polls.
“True. But no vote or a 3rd party vote is one less vote Obama will need to win.”
You are correct.
The under 30s, are not Gen-X, and I doubt the under 30 vote will be 52% republican like it was in 1972, when the draft and Vietnam were going on.
I don’t give a rat’s patoot about the GOPe. I’m not in it for them, I’m in it for my country.
I was actually referring to Ryan. ;)
Oops, my mistake, Ryan is a pretty good figure to be emerging as a big image of Gen-X.
If my vote was important to the GOP, they would have run a conservative, shut Rove up when he badmouthed conservatives, not changed the rules midgame, and all the other down and dirty tricks they do.
Blame them, not the people that won't vote for your boy.
/johnny
So am I, Sandy. I'm convinced that this country doesn't need a liberal of either party as leadership.
/johnny
Right, right - Virgil Goode - the principled former long time Democrat, turned Independent, turned Republican, turned “Constitution” Party who aligned with the Greens and has made a major part of his campaign platform the wasteful programs spending billions on “high speed rail” systems.
Voting for Goode is a vote to say you don’t mind keeping Obama in office - and if that happens it won’t matter who the Republican party voters nominate next time. He will have control of the country for a generation with another 4 years of judicial appointments and Obamacare will be fully implemented and entrenched with no hope of repeal.
Seriously, I really don't understand why the “I'm never voting for Romney” crowd show up on every Romney and election thread, just to tell everyone for the hundredth time that they are not voting for Romney.
If you are not voting for anyone that will win, you really have no dog in this fight.
I do have a dog in this fight because those that are voting for the GOP liberal are just enabling the GOP-E to move further left, again.
I would love to see the GOP run a conservative, quit cheating, changing rules in the middle of the game, and quit badmouthing conservatives (Rove).
Don't tell me I don't have a dog in this fight. It's my country just as much as it is yours.
I'll post where I like, and I won't be shut up.
/johnny
Who gives a s@!t about what the GOP thinks??!
You just told Kara: It's my country just as much as it is yours. So your idea of patriotism is to wash you hands of your patriotic duty when a sufficiently conservative candidate can't convince enough of the electorate to support them?
I only engaged you on this thread because of your original comments:
That is absolutely false.
My vote won't increase Obama's vote count by a single vote.
Math is difficult for some people.
Johnny - take it like a man.
I proved that withholding your vote will increase BOs vote tally percentage. So what do you do? You change the parameters. You move the goal posts.
If you want to make a statement about how GOP isn’t conservative enough, fine - I can accept that. But at least be intellectually honest; the fact is, withholding your vote WILL improve Obama’s chances - just admit it. Don’t weasel out of it like an excuse-making lib…
I will not vote for Obama, so he does not have that vote to add to his total. Period.
Sorry if that means your boy won't win. BTW, there were a lot of dirty tricks in places like Virginia and Florida, and places where rules were changed in mid-game.
The GOP played dirty to get Romney nominated. Blame them.
/johnny
I didn't say you couldn't post. You obviously can and do.
I just didn't understand why you do. If someone does not care about the outcome of the election, they do not have a dog in this fight.
However, it seems you do care about the outcome. You want Obama to win. I get it now. That will really teach them a lesson.
BTW, I am well aware that this is a conservative site. I am also a conservative first, but I am also a republican before a communist.
I don't want Obama or Romney to win.
You might want to knock off that kind of allegation.
Sad that someone that has been on the site for almost 13 years gets told he wants Obama to win because he won't vote for the GOP liberal.
/johnny
This guy with Ryan.. his pic has popped up with zero, too...
Sad that someone that has been on the site for almost 13 years gets told he wants Obama to win because he won't vote for the GOP liberal.
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Okay, come back to reality. One of them is going to win.
You just said that you come to these threads to convince other people not to vote for Romney too. If you succeed in getting enough republicans to vote for a third party candidate that has zero chance of winning. Who do you think is going to win?
So, that is your dog in this fight. Your goal is for Romney to lose.
Well, someone that has been on this site for 13 years must know how elections work. If you succeed in getting someone to lose, someone else will win.
Who do you think that will be?
No, I did not. If you want to vote for Romney, and that works with your principles and conscience, go for it.
Voting for the GOP liberal goes against both my principles and conscience.
Jim has an entire thread about this tonight. Maybe you should read what he has to say.
/johnny
I do have a dog in this fight because those that are voting for the GOP liberal are just enabling the GOP-E to move further left, again.
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You did write this, correct?
I’m really done with this silly argument now. You don’t even know what you want in the end.
Of course, I'm not going to get what I think is right, regardless of who wins. I sure don't have to enable the GOP to go further liberal. Folks need to think about that.
/johnny
Well, that’s the danger of lying to the electorate about raising taxes.
Had George HW Bush governed like Reagan governed, Perot never would have got the traction he did.
Anytime the GOP pushes RINOs, they lose. Every time.
“with another 4 years of judicial appointments and Obamacare will be fully implemented and entrenched with no hope of repeal.”
Remind us all how the two most recent GOP appointees successfully struck down the unconstitutional law.
If the GOP cannot be trusted to do even the bare minimum, then why vote for them?
If you’re trying to convince me not to support Virgil Goode, then you’re doing a poor job of it.
“So, that is your dog in this fight. Your goal is for Romney to lose.”
If folks like you were to support the actual conservative over the fake conservative than Virgil Goode would win.
Your goal is to elect Obama, sure as rain falls. You’re so convinced that Romney is ‘electable’, (whatever that means), that you are willing to sacrifice your principles for a few points vs Obama.
If you cannot convince conservatives that there is a concrete reason to vote FOR Romney - then he is going to lose and rightfully so. Nominating Ryan as his VP only highlights his shortcomings.
It’s like going to a wedding, when the groom has a nasty and spiteful bride paired with her younger, attractive and kind sister who treats the groom with respect. You don’t think the wedding guests are going to notice the difference?
I don’t know about you - but I’m not going to wed myself to Romney.
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