Skip to comments.FR, the pro-God "purist" site that RINOs love to hate
Posted on 08/14/2012 1:53:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Well, folks, it happens every four years or so. The presidential election cycle really brings out the RINOS. I have to state and restate FR's positions more and more frequently, because the true blue RINO types simply cannot stand that a conservative site will not support a gun grabbing, abortionist, homosexualist, big government statist.
Last cycle it was Rudy McRomney. Boy, did we ever catch hell for not supporting the big RINOs of the day. Hundreds of true blue RINO supporters fled grassroots conservative FR in disgust when they couldn't get their way and called us every name in the book on the way out, especially, the Rudy cabal.
Where did it get them? The abortionist/homosexualist Rudy didn't get the nomination. We on FR finally decided to support McCain after he was the last RINO standing and he selected Palin as his running mate, but that will not happen this time. And McCain proved not up to the task anyway. He was far too undependable to make it as a conservative, but he was at least pro-life and pro-family and a war hero and that's why I finally relented and gave my reluctant no other choice endorsement.
But Myth Romney is without a doubt the most leftist, flip-flopping, lying, two-faced politician ever to be nominated by the Republicans. We have the most leftist Democrat ever sitting in the White House which ANY Republican should be able to defeat in a Reaganesque landslide, but in their infinite RINO wisdom, the GOPe pushes the most leftist Republican ever.
Why, oh, why would the GOPe risk it all by pushing for and giving the nomination to a man with Romney's abortionist, homosexualist, gun grabbing, big government statist Keynesian record? Do they have a death wish or are they simply trying to move the goal posts even further to the left? Romney is the grandpappy of ObamaCare for crying out loud. He made ObamaCare possible. ObamaCare gave birth to the grassroots tea party movement. The GOPe has done nothing but torpedo the tea party conservatives when they should have embraced us. Sarah Palin was the best thing to happen for the Republicans party since Reagan and the tea party the best thing in a century. Why would they try to kill us off?
We can take a clue from the Rudy McRomney cabal that left FR last time. They exclaimed on the way out that, "The conservatives have held their boot to the GOP's neck for far too long. Never again will guns, abortion, and the gay agenda be important issues for Republicans."
And now the abortionist/homosexualist/shamnesty Rudy McRomney cabal and the anti Palin RINO crowd have teamed up to come after FR again. They couldn't hack it with their wideawakes wankers for Rudy site or their trueblue RINOs for Romney site, so they are now posting their current anti-FR screeds on facebook and on any blog site they possibly can.
Hell hath no fury like a RINO scorned.
One of the RINO's we're talking about is our old friend Luis Gonzalez. He was a big Rudy pusher and would relentlessly trash any conservative who objected. We eventually had to invite him to leave FR and go with the wankers for Rudy. But it turns out he had a sleeper account on FR called "Lancelot Jones."
He recently registered a mole account on FR called "The Duke of Pearls" where he attempted to post the anti-FR screed pasted below. I pulled it and banned his account(s), but it is the one he's now plastering all over the net aided and abetted by his pal and anti-Palin RINO troll, EveningStar.
By the way, it's telling that Gonzalez in his Lancelot Jones mole persona posted the following quips to FR just a couple of days ago:
"If you can't rely on something at the precise moment that you need it the most, because that thing that you need to rely on is only reliable when the circumstances suit it, then get rid of it."
"If the GOP realizes that "purists" will only supprt the GOP when the Party's candidates meet their test, then it may be best to not count on them at all."
"The lesson that the GOP will probably learn from your scenario, is that it needs to jettison purists once and for all."
So, I guess my pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-small government, pro-gun, pro-liberty constitutional stance makes me a "purist" who must be hated and persecuted and run off the net even though my positions on these causes are exactly the same as the official Republican party platform. Very strange.
Here's Gonzalez' latest anti-FR screed that he's trying to make go viral:
Once, a long time ago, if you were an individual seeking reasonable and intelligent political discourse in the Internet, from a right-wing perspective, there were few places as prominent and respected as Jim Robinsons freerepublic.com. The site counted among its members such luminaries as Tony Snow, Barbara Olsen, and Andrew Breitbar; even Robert Bork was rumored to post in FR.
The sites users, known as FReepers, were considerable in number, dedicated, and passionate, and Jim Robinsons conservative brigades were able to launch either spontaneous roadside rallies, or organized nation-wide protests from Texas, to Florida, to Georgia, to Washington DC itself.
- It was a FReeper that ended Dan Rathers career.
- It was a FReeper that coined the term Sore/Loserman during the Bush/Gore recount wars.
- It was a FReeper that posted the first known report of trouble with the Columbia, as it disintegrated over Texas and Louisiana on re-entry.
- It was a FReeper that photo-shopped the infamous image of John Kerry standing side-by-side with Jane Fonda in an anti Vietnam war rally.
Those were the Golden Days of Free Republic, but the site shines no longer. Mr. Robinson fails to realize that it was individual members of his forum that brought gravitas to the forum, and not the other way around. To be fair, Robinson created what could very well be the best softweare of its kind, but it was the massive interchange of ideas between members, all driven by the e-wave of the late 20th Century, and the animosity toward the Clinton administration that brought the forum into the spotlight.
Alas, Mr. Robinson convinced himself that the message was the medium, when it was the messengers that raised the medium to glory.
Internet blogs are buzzing with reports of a massive crack up in FR, with anti-Romney sentiment standing toe-to-toe with open anti-Mormon bias, FReepers are abandoning Jim Robinsons burning ship in droves, populating sites like www.gopbriefingroom.com to discuss the chaotic status of Free Republic.
In facebook, exiled FReepers stand amazed at the realization that Free Republic and Daily KOS, bitter Internet blog political ideology enemies, are actually supporting the same candidate for the Presidency this cycle, as FReepers openly support the idea if an Obama win, as such a victory will teach the GOP a lesson.
This post from FReeper Leep
"Crash and burn America. Hopefully, we can rebuild in 10 or 20 or 50 years ?" The signs are visible to even the naked eye.
Check this statement by the sites founder, Jim Robinson, just a few nights ago:
Lastly, were having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon bigot on FR. In todays Free Republic, no one will be critical of anti-Mormon statements. Jim Robinson once again:
This website considers the Mormon religion as false doctrine. Period. Its nearly impossible to cross the line on criticism of Mitt Romneys Mormonism at a site where the proprietor dismisses the entire religion as a false doctrine.
Robinson, in his refusal to support the GOP ticket seems to understand that he has become a minority within a minority, within a diminishing number of supporters, as he says:
"I doubt there are 10% of the FReepers in agreement with me on this." Ten percent of a rapidly diminishing number of posting members could spell financial troubles for Robinson, as some of the sites most steadfast financial supporters quietly melt into the night.
Then again, even as Free Republic fades into irrelevance, Robinsons legacy lives on in an unintended cottage industry of forums offering refuge to FReepers wishing to distance themselves from Robinson.
As one of the members of The Briefing Room quipped recently:
"The FR meltdown is good for business, people are looking for a sanctuary, and a place where sanity still reigns. Our membership rolls are increasing hourly, and they all come to ask the same question what in the world happened to Free Republic?
Sad thing, that what was once such a great notion will crumble and fall under the weight of such a negative and destructive actions, and that in the end, the great things accomplished by the many, will be dragged down into the mud by the few.
But Rombag will not create gulags, starve us, have his gang machine gun us and bulldoze our dead bodies in ravines, poison us, or send us to "re-education" camps to be slaughereed en masse.
Okaka will. Guaranteed. The reason I changed my mind is because my eyes were opened just a tad more to exactly how evil 0kaka is.
The cars aren’t about voting. They’re about being alive in 4 years or not being alive in 4 years.
But Rombag will not create gulags, starve us, have his gang machine gun us and bulldoze our dead bodies in ravines, poison us, or send us to “re-education” camps to be slaughereed en masse.
***This is an overblown, irrational fear. Proceeding from that fear is cowardice. The better path is to think about what you’d do if you were not afraid. In 2016 we will have another election and 0bama will not be on the ballot. I’m not going to pull the lever FOR a babykilling, lying statist just because someone else is afraid.
Theyre about being alive in 4 years or not being alive in 4 years.
***It’s an overblown fear. Take the high road.
I’m sorry you think my (and many others’) concerns are irrational. I’m sure plenty of Jews in Germany never thought things would get as bad as they did, either.
You refuse to vote for a “lying statist” but refuse to acknowledge the number of them that are long standing members of this forum....interesting.
Forgive us, Lord, where we’ve sinned, and in the renewal You promise us, lead us in paths of righteousness that will be as “a brand plucked from the burning!”
Let him try. Unlike the Jews in Nazi Germany, we are armed to the teeth.
That is a great consolation and I do think that resistance will happen, should such attempts be made; plus I hope that there are enough with courage and conscience in the fedgov and especially the military, who will remember their oaths and not serve a tyrant who issues such orders.
Every ounce of common sense rebels at Romney. Voting for liberals guarantees a bad outcome -- it's an immutable fact of politics. The most constructive thing I can do in O vs R is vote for a plurality. Not because I figure whatever third-party candidate I vote for will win, but because I know every third party vote counts against a mandate for the winner and weakens his cause. As far as I'm concerned, a plurality "win" is more important than that Romney win, though in any case, my vote will have no say in O v R. It's a crap shoot as to who wins, but conservatives will have a victory if that liberal is elected on a plurality.
You refuse to vote for a lying statist but refuse to acknowledge the number of them that are long standing members of this forum....interesting.
***No, that is not true. If you look through my posts I’ve been saying that basically a bunch of republicans started showing up in 2000, then 2004, then 2008. Many of them are CINOs, basically loyal to the republican cause but not really to conservatism. Now the conservatives are outnumbered by CINOs.
From my home page...
I would like to see an idealogy litmus matrix here on Free Republic, but when I proposed it to Jimrob, he called me a newbie.
To: babygene I dont think hes all that interested.
To: MHGinTN It doesnt matter what a FReeper thinks. Its just a list that they tell us what they think. That way we can tell who were dealing with.
To: Jim Robinson Hah hah, thats great. I signed up 2 months after you and Im a newbie. Back then no one even said, Welcome to FR. But yeah, I do think that there are tons of RINOs. To be more accurate, the term would be CINOs.
Ive been pushing for an idealogical litmus matrix here on FR, not to get rid of RINOs but to expose them.
THE GOP DOESNT WANT US- SO WHATS NEXT?
***It simply takes too long. Look at this thread alone. I see evidence of RINOism in some of the FReepers on this thread. It takes 700 posts to drill down. We need the matrix posted and available so that we dont have to drill down on every FReeping thread. Theyre wasting our time. Deliberately.
Agreed to a large degree. Perhaps a way to rate members by other members???
762 posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:43:23 PM by roamer_1
130 posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 2:39:20 PM by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
49 posted on Monday, December 22, 2008 7:29:27 PM by Kevmo ( Its all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies] 48 posted on Thursday, November 26, 2009 10:25:08 PM by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
plus I hope that there are enough with courage and conscience in the fedgov and especially the military, who will remember their oaths and not serve a tyrant who issues such orders.
***Then go with your hope rather than your fear. Take the high road.
If you honestly think we are ~4 years away from NAZI level totalitarianism, what else are you doing? Are you stocking up foodstores, ammunition, guns, medical supplies? My guess is no. There are currently hundreds of freepers utilizing exactly the same fear as an argumentation tactic, when they really do not have that fear at all. It is an exaggerated fear, utilized as a form of argumentation. The problem with arguing from fear is that it’s basically cowardice. Try not to go there. Try to proceed from courage rather than cowardice. You already ARE proceeding from courage if you aint stocking up, getting a bunch of guns & selling your properties. So, why bring the cowardice to Free Republic when it doesn’t really exist in your own daily life? Take the high road. Embrace courage. With courage, there are no regrets.
I am not making my comments as a tactic. Up until some days ago I vowed I would not vote for Rombag. I changed my mind, and the primary reason was realizing more how extremely dangerous Zero is.
It is not cowardice to realize the extreme danger of a situation. It is rational. As far as being prepared for prolonged Troubles, I’m probably as prepared as most people who take such things seriously, considering that I am dirt poor. I could eat the boring staples that I have on hand for a year without going to the store, and have other basic measures covered. It’s cheaper in the long run anyway.
I don’t see why you think I am exaggerating. Seriously bad collapses of law and order, and tyranny, and mass deaths, have happened throughout history, with a lot in the 20th century. Why would we be immune, when we have all the ingredients, and now a stealth criminal in the WH? Who is a marxist since Occidental, a racist, a muzzie, and put in place by a gang of criminals such as Ayers, who are dangerous radicals?
You think it’s all just talk and smoke? They mean it.
People thought Hitler was a funny little man who didn’t mean what he said.
I dont see why you think I am exaggerating. Seriously bad collapses ... have happened throughout history, with a lot in the 20th century.
***As a ferinstance, there is the Great Depression. It happened on Hoover’s watch, and it damaged republicanism for decades. If we knew ahead of time that such a thing were coming, it would make sense to get it to happen on a democrat’s watch and let the damage ensue for decades. Great Depression II should happen on Obama’s watch.
People thought Hitler was a funny little man who didnt mean what he said.
***Well, I know you’re not a christian but the antichrist is coming, maybe even soon. He will make Hitler look like a silly school girl in comparison. So if Obama is the antichrist, let it happen as the bible says it will happen. But he doesn’t quite fit the bill... he’s too stupid; so I’m willing to let Great Depression II fall on him. Plus, Matthew 24 is not fulfilled yet. Try to take comfort in that, don’t let fear overtake you... proceed from hope rather than fear.
WHY sayest thou this?
Would you say this if BOYS were the gun holders instead of GIRLS??
How's that new tv deal workin' out?
Why; right HERE in the 'corrected' KJV; the JST; done by the power of GOD Hisself!!
Just LOOK at all the JOSEPH stuff in it!
King James Version
24And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die: and God will surely visit you, and bring you out of this land unto the land which he sware to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
25And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.
26So Joseph died, being an hundred and ten years old: and they embalmed him, and he was put in a coffin in Egypt.
Joseph Smith Translation
24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die, and go unto my fathers; and I go down to my grave with joy. The God of my father Jacob be with you, to deliver you out of affliction in the days of your bondage; for the Lord hath visited me, and I have obtained a promise of the Lord, that out of the fruit of my loins, the Lord God will raise up a righteous branch out of my loins; and unto thee, whom my father Jacob hath named Israel, a prophet; (not the Messiah who is called Shilo;) and this prophet shall deliver my people out of Egypt in the days of thy bondage.
25 And it shall come to pass that they shall be scattered again; and a branch shall be broken off, and shall be carried into a far country; nevertheless they shall be remembered in the covenants of the Lord, when the Messiah cometh; for he shall be made manifest unto them in the latter days, in the Spirit of power; and shall bring them out of darkness into light; out of hidden darkness, and out of captivity unto freedom.
27 Thus saith the Lord God of my fathers unto me, A choice seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and he shall be esteemed highly among the fruit of thy loins; and unto him will I give commandment that he shall do a work for the fruit of thy loins, his brethren.
29 And I will make him great in mine eyes, for he shall do my work; and he shall be great like unto him whom I have said I would raise up unto you, to deliver my people, O house of Israel, out of the land of Egypt; for a seer will I raise up to deliver my people out of the land of Egypt; and he shall be called Moses. And by this name he shall know that he is of thy house; for he shall be nursed by the kings daughter, and shall be called her son.
30 And again, a seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and unto him will I give power to bring forth my word unto the seed of thy loins; and not to the bringing forth of my word only, saith the Lord, but to the convincing them of my word, which shall have already gone forth among them in the last days;
31 Wherefore the fruit of thy loins shall write, and the fruit of the loins of Judah shall write; and that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins, and also that which shall be written by the fruit of the loins of Judah, shall grow together unto the confounding of false doctrines, and laying down of contentions, and establishing peace among the fruit of thy loins, and bringing them to a knowledge of their fathers in the latter days; and also to the knowledge of my covenants, saith the Lord.
33 And that seer will I bless, and they that seek to destroy him shall be confounded; for this promise I give unto you; for I will remember you from generation to generation; and his name shall be called Joseph, and it shall be after the name of his father; and he shall be like unto you; for the thing which the Lord shall bring forth by his hand shall bring my people unto salvation.
34 And the Lord sware unto Joseph that he would preserve his seed forever, saying, I will raise up Moses, and a rod shall be in his hand, and he shall gather together my people, and he shall lead them as a flock, and he shall smite the waters of the Red Sea with his rod.
35 And he shall have judgment, and shall write the word of the Lord. And he shall not speak many words, for I will write unto him my law by the finger of mine own hand. And I will make a spokesman for him, and his name shall be called Aaron.
36 And it shall be done unto thee in the last days also, even as I have sworn. Therefore, Joseph said unto his brethren, God will surely visit you, and bring you out of this land, unto the land which he sware unto Abraham, and unto Isaac, and to Jacob.
38 So Joseph died when he was an hundred and ten years old; and they embalmed him, and they put him in a coffin in Egypt; and he was kept from burial by the children of Israel, that he might be carried up and laid in the sepulchre with his father. And thus they remembered the oath which they sware unto him.
Or braIn in the head.
Are you still killing your unborn?
There SHOULD be!
Or American fetuses; either...
Thank you for saying this, Jim.
I think there are two different agendas at work.
The first involves pro-Romney people who are fighting for their candidate and trying to damage the opposition. I don't agree with them but I can't blame them. Political activity is a full-contact sport.
The second agenda is more sinister. Some people are trying to silence those who oppose Mormonism.
The only reason I can think of to vote for Romney is that he's better than Obama. Since my state could easily be a swing state I may end up doing that myself. Jim has already said that he's only one vote and he's not trying to tell the rest of us how to vote.
But to those who wants to silence critics of Mormonism because Mitt Romney is the presumptive Republican nominee — have you guys lost your marbles? Mormons are a tiny percentage of America and nearly everyone who is a seriously committed Christian conservative views them as a cult.
Efforts by Romney supporters to get Free Republic to stop attacking their candidate could easily have been expected. Romney met with representatives of Red State and other conservative anti-Romney internet blogs after he locked up the nomination, and I think we all knew that once Jim Robinson decided he wasn't going to change his opposition, there would be organized efforts to marginalize Free Republic.
But trying to get an anti-Romney website to ban opponents of Mormonism who have been posting against Mormonism for more than a decade? That's crazy talk. It makes no political sense. The only way to explain it is that Mormon “true believers” must feel religiously obligated to attack Free Republic regardless of whether it makes any political sense or not.
But at least the Mormons dress better. Maybe with Mitt Romney as president, ties will go back in fashion and we can avoid seeing some future president wear flip-flops and T-shirts in the oval office.
But personally, I'd take a conservative wearing dirty T-shirts, jeans with holes, and worn-out flip-flops as long as he didn't flip-flop his policies.
As a self-described conservative Southern Baptist, you should read these verses from Psalm 139:19-22:
"Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies."
I'd rather apply that verse to Muslims and liberal atheists than Mormons since they hate the Christian God explicitly and openly, but to say that "God doesnt like hate" is not biblical.
Conservative Baptists ought to know better.
194 posted on Tue Aug 14 2012 21:21:03 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Repub4bush: “You can't brush Mormon's with a broad brush than you can with my Southern Baptist Brethren! There are bad people of all religions. But you can't brush all mormons with the same brush! I found that out on my own.”
Mormon doctrine is contrary to Scripture on many points. That doesn't mean I hate Mormons, and they can be useful allies on some pro-family issues, but the bottom line is that Mormonism and traditional Christianity cannot both be true. Mormons know that, and Christians who don't are the ones who aren't listening to what Mormons believe.
194 posted on Tue Aug 14 2012 21:21:03 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Repub4bush: “I love Newt, but I am willing to vote for Mitt, because, he has never shown the propensity to govern due to Mormon doctrine!”
That is part of what is so strange about this whole mess. If Mitt Romney had governed more like a conservative Mormon and less like Harry Reid, a lot of conservatives would have been much more willing to support him.
The Mormons need to get their act together. Just as the rise of the Kennedy dynasty empowered liberal Roman Catholics and caused major problems for a generation, a Romney presidency could easily cause serious damage for the reputation of Mormons.
The Mormons need to decide whether they want their public image to be fresh-faced young men who are dedicated to their cause and support traditional family values, or whether they want their public face to be the liberalism of Huntsman, Reid, and Romney.
That's an internal Mormon issue and I don't get a vote. But Mormons like Jeff Head ought to be thinking long and hard about whether Romney is going to do serious long-term damage to their religion. All they need to do is look at what happened to the public reputation of Catholicism once the Kennedy family and “Camelot” became their most prominent public face.
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