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Talking about Mormonism would help Mitt Romney
Published in Deseret News (originated Washington Post) ^ | Aug. 8, 2012 | Michael Gerson

Posted on 08/09/2012 5:40:19 PM PDT by Colofornian

WASHINGTON — Concerning Mormons and Republicans, history offers a large helping of irony. In 1843, an Army officer named John C. Fremont led a geographical expedition of 39 men more than 1,700 miles to the shores of the Great Salt Lake. His report on the journey inspired hounded Mormons to mount their wagons and resettle in the Great Basin.

Thirteen years later in Philadelphia, Fremont became the first presidential nominee of the Republican Party, which adopted a platform opposing the "twin relics of barbarism — Polygamy, and Slavery." The slogan, and the anti-Mormon sentiment behind it, caught on. A Republican rally in Indianapolis, reportedly attended by 60,000 people, included an ox-drawn parade wagon depicting Brigham Young along with six wives dressed in hoop skirts, each with a little Brigham in her arms.

...In the typology of sociologists Robert Putnam and David Campbell, Mormons remain a rejected "out-group," unlike accepted "in-groups" such as Catholics and Jews. Large majorities of Americans perceive Mormonism as "very different" from their own religious beliefs.

But in this case, the counsel of religious reticence is wrong. Romney should not be afraid to highlight his faith.

SNIP

Questions remain about the role of Mormonism in depressing evangelical political enthusiasm. Some religious conservatives are concerned that a Romney presidency would provide theological legitimacy for a rival, proselytizing faith. But it is unclear how silence from Romney on religion would mitigate this fear. And a portion of the evangelical enthusiasm gap is explainable for another reason entirely: the suspicions of social conservatives about the authenticity of Romney's social conservatism.

SNIP

This does not mean Romney should quote from the Book of Jarom in his convention speech...

(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...


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To: AlanGreenSpam
These hateful Obama trolls need to learn when it is proper to hate (evil socialists) and when it is irrational to hate (Mormons who have different beliefs that don’t threaten you).

1. You seem to have a very different meaning of the word IRRATIONAL than most.

2. Pointing out HERESY is not hate; unless you a have a very different meaning of the word.

3. mormonISM is getting any 'hate' you perceive - not MORMONs.

181 posted on 08/10/2012 7:52:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Oh noes, all is lost. They have a picture of spam hot dogs.


182 posted on 08/10/2012 7:55:43 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Lucas McCain
You must be that bunny with a pancake on it’s head.

Yeah!

THAT rejoiner'll shut 'im up!

183 posted on 08/10/2012 7:58:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BCW
I’m highly conservative and it boggles my mind how the US has gotten itself into this state of failure...

Be boggled no more: it's called SIN!


So; the question is; "Can politics fix the problem of SIN?"

184 posted on 08/10/2012 8:01:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: manc
I don’t know much about mormons or their teachings, what I do know is that they helped to fight the homo agenda ...

AGAINST it or FOR it?

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52486958-78/mayne-gay-lds-ward.html.csp

185 posted on 08/10/2012 8:06:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla
See, I one pushes aside the swarms of those who scream 'haters' and really READS the material, one learns mormon doctrine and compares it to Christian doctrine - education.

HEY!

What a CONCEPT!!!


 
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Added stuff... Changed stuff... Rearranged stuff... Removed stuff... 
 *(UNDERLINED stuff is the DISTRACTING reference on every tenth word or so that infuses LDS 'scripture' online.)

 
 
 
 

JOSEPH SMITH—MATTHEW
An extract from the translation of the Bible as revealed to Joseph Smith the Prophet in 1831: Matthew 23: 39 and chapter 24.
Jesus foretells the impending destruction of Jerusalem—He also discourses on the second coming of the Son of Man, and the destruction of the wicked.
1 aFor I say unto you, that ye shall not see me henceforth and know that I am he of whom it is written by the prophets, until ye shall say: Blessed is he who bcometh in the name of the Lord, in the clouds of heaven, and all the holy angels with him. Then understood his disciples that he should come again on the earth, after that he was glorified and ccrowned on the right hand of God.
2 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple; and his disciples came to him, for to ahear him, saying: Master, show us concerning the buildings of the temple, as thou hast said—They shall be thrown down, and left unto you desolate.
3 And Jesus said unto them: See ye not all these things, and do ye not understand them? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here, upon this temple, one astone upon another that shall not be thrown down.
4 And Jesus left them, and went upon the Mount of Olives. And as he sat upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying: Tell us when shall these things be which thou hast said concerning the destruction of the temple, and the Jews; and what is the asign of thy bcoming, and of the cend of the world, or the destruction of the dwicked, which is the end of the world?
5 And Jesus answered, and said unto them: Take heed that no man deceive you;
6 For many shall come in my name, saying—I am aChrist—and shall deceive many;
7 Then shall they deliver you up to be aafflicted, and shall kill you, and ye shall be bhated of all nations, for my name’s sake;
8 And then shall many be aoffended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another;
9 And many afalse prophets shall arise, and shall deceive many;
10 And because iniquity shall abound, the alove of many shall wax cold;
11 But he that remaineth asteadfast and is not overcome, the same shall be saved.
12 When you, therefore, shall see the aabomination of bdesolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, concerning the destruction of cJerusalem, then you shall stand in the dholy place; whoso readeth let him understand.
13 Then let them who are in Judea flee into the amountains;
14 Let him who is on the housetop flee, and not return to take anything out of his house;
15 Neither let him who is in the field return back to take his clothes;
16 And wo unto them that are with achild, and unto them that give suck in those days;
17 Therefore, pray ye the Lord that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day;
18 For then, in those days, shall be great atribulation on the bJews, and upon the inhabitants of cJerusalem, such as was not before sent upon Israel, of God, since the beginning of their kingdom until this time; no, nor ever shall be sent again upon Israel.
19 All things which have befallen them are only the beginning of the sorrows which shall come upon them.
20 And except those days should be shortened, there should none of their flesh be asaved; but for the elect’s sake, according to the bcovenant, those days shall be shortened.
21 Behold, these things I have spoken unto you concerning the Jews; and again, after the tribulation of those days which shall come upon Jerusalem, if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there, believe him not;
22 For in those days there shall also arise false aChrists, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch, that, if possible, they shall deceive the very elect, who are the elect according to the covenant.
23 Behold, I speak these things unto you for the aelect’s sake; and you also shall hear of bwars, and rumors of wars; see that ye be not troubled, for all I have told you must come to pass; but the end is not yet.
24 Behold, I have told you before;
25 Wherefore, if they shall say unto you: Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: Behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not;
26 For as the light of the morning cometh out of the aeast, and shineth even unto the west, and covereth the whole earth, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
27 And now I show unto you a parable. Behold, wheresoever the acarcass is, there will the eagles be bgathered together; so likewise shall mine elect be gathered from the four quarters of the earth.
28 And they shall hear of wars, and rumors of wars.
29 Behold I speak for mine elect’s sake; for nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there shall be afamines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
30 And again, because iniquity shall abound, the love of men shall wax acold; but he that shall not be overcome, the same shall be saved.
31 And again, this aGospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world, for a witness unto all bnations, and then shall the end come, or the destruction of the wicked;
32 And again shall the aabomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, be fulfilled.
33 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the asun shall be bdarkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the cstars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
34 Verily, I say unto you, this ageneration, in which these things shall be shown forth, shall not pass away until all I have told you shall be fulfilled.
35 Although, the days will come, that heaven and earth shall pass away; yet my awords shall not pass away, but all shall be fulfilled.
36 And, as I said before, after the atribulation of those days, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken, then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and then shall all the tribes of the earth bmourn; and they shall see the cSon of Man dcoming in the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory;
37 And whoso atreasureth up my word, shall not be deceived, for the Son of Man shall bcome, and he shall send his cangels before him with the great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together the dremainder of his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
38 Now learn a parable of the afig-tree—When its branches are yet tender, and it begins to put forth leaves, you know that summer is nigh at hand;
39 So likewise, mine elect, when they shall see all these things, they shall know that he is near, even at the doors;
40 But of that day, and hour, no one aknoweth; no, not the angels of God in heaven, but my Father only.
41 But as it was in the days of aNoah, so it shall be also at the coming of the Son of Man;
42 For it shall be with them, as it was in the days which were before the aflood; for until the day that Noah entered into the ark they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage;
43 And aknew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
44 Then shall be fulfilled that which is written, that in the alast days, two shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other bleft;
45 Two shall be grinding at the mill, the one shall be taken, and the other left;
46 And what I say unto one, I say unto all men; awatch, therefore, for you know not at what hour your Lord doth come.
47 But know this, if the good man of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to have been broken up, but would have been ready.
48 Therefore be ye also aready, for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of Man cometh.
49 Who, then, is a afaithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
50 Blessed is that aservant whom his lord, when he cometh, shall find so doing; and verily I say unto you, he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
51 But if that evil servant shall say in his heart: My lord adelayeth his coming,
52 And shall begin to smite his fellow-servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken,
53 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
54 And shall cut him asunder, and shall appoint him his portion with the hypocrites; there shall be weeping and agnashing of teeth.
55 And thus cometh the aend of the wicked, according to the prophecy of Moses, saying: They shall be cut off from among the people; but the end of the earth is not yet, but by and by.

KJV Matthew 23:38-39 24:1-51
39. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

1. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16. Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18. Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25. Behold, I have told you before.
26. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33. So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46. Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49. And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50. The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
King James Version of the Holy Bible
Public domain

186 posted on 08/10/2012 8:08:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: evad; Jim Robinson
Why doesn't JimRob clean up these haters?

It's a trick!

He let's the MORMONs rant so the WORLD can see how they operate.

187 posted on 08/10/2012 8:09:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AlanGreenSpam

Thank you for your opinion.
Now learn about Mormonism, who’s foundation is based on hate towards Christians.
You want to defend hatred towards Christians go ahead but don’t pretend you are a righteous person in doing so.
Mormons do not threaten me, Mormonism threatens the souls of those who believe it, now either face that fact or defend it the choice is yours.


188 posted on 08/10/2012 8:11:03 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: MDspinboyredux
Are you afraid he’s going to try and convert you, like he did to the people of Massachusetts when he was governor?

No, just that OTHER ignorant souls will be swayed by the slimey seduction of MORMONism and miss the rewards that Christ has for them.


Have you researched the records of the proselyzing 'missionaries' of Massachusetts for that time period?

189 posted on 08/10/2012 8:13:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 1035rep
Please don’t ping me again.

Sorry; it's not your call.

If ANYone posts something that I disagree with, it IS my priviledge to reply to it, even if the poster has BEGGED me not to it in the past.

Man up - you can take it.

190 posted on 08/10/2012 8:17:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SZonian

All I can say is that you have a very curious posting manner for someone who claims they are “trying to get the discourse down to a level where it’s civil”. It seems to me like someone throwing mud at their car to wash it.

Good luck, though :-)


191 posted on 08/10/2012 8:22:03 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: BCW
...where the hell do you people come from???

You evidently have not been paying attention.

We said, over and over, 'where we are coming from'.

We have an extra gene, evidently, that a lot of FR conservatives do NOT have. (I don't want to say the others are LACKING a gene; they'd get defensive.)

This gene allows us to see a little bit further (farther?) into the future than most.

To a place when this NAtion we are passionately trying to keep together has vanished completely.

To a place where ALL men stand before their Creator and give account of their lives.

These folks with the geneN-1 cannot understand why we are so passionate about NOT having Romney as President.

They misunderstand SO much that they ACCUSE us of being FOR Obama; which is wrong.

We DO want AMERICA to succeed and become what it should be; but we realize that our problems are NOT political; but spiritual.


Obama has been compared to King George; and rightly so.

It took a Washington; who prayed to the correct GOD, to set this Nation on the course it steered for over 200 years.

One could only imagine where we'd be today if Deceived (or deceiving) Romney had been the one crossing the Delaware.

192 posted on 08/10/2012 8:28:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BCW
Look - I don’t like Romney - never have — my support is going to Ron Paul...

When primary time came to Indiana, he was the only one left against Romney. The others had DROPPED out.

Dispite the crazy uncle personna the press saddled him with; guess who I voted for?

193 posted on 08/10/2012 8:32:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tamzee
I scrolled through your last few posts and noticed that you indulge in mean-spirited comments and name-calling...

And was this before or after all of the insults, accusations, low mental capabilities suspected and of bad examples of being a Christian were bandied about?

194 posted on 08/10/2012 8:35:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tamzee

If folks tease the dog, they should not complaim if it snaps at them


195 posted on 08/10/2012 8:36:06 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: norwaypinesavage
My closest friend (for 45 years) was once a Mormon.

Oh?

What's he now?

196 posted on 08/10/2012 8:37:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AlanGreenSpam
I don’t see Mormons bombing WTC’s and doing rampant suicide bombings like the Muzzies do. Doesn’t that concern you at all?

Sigh...

Matthew 10:28

"Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul;
but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

197 posted on 08/10/2012 8:39:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Why don't you MORMONs post some PRO-mormonISM threads?

I'm SURE you guys have a lot of uplifting and edifying words to say: to each other, anyway.

I can't believe you would actually go so far as to accuse someone of being a Mormon because she is acting to try to see that a Mormon wins the White House over a Muslim. Logically speaking, wouldn't that indicate that you are a Muslim since your actions would lead to helping the Muslim win instead of the Mormon?.

Regarding who is and isn't Christian on this thread: Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness, Self-Control.

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198 posted on 08/10/2012 8:41:00 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: Tamzee
I can't believe you would actually go so far as to accuse someone of being a Mormon because she is acting to try to see that a Mormon wins the White House over a Muslim.

So; are you admiting that you HATE MUSLIMs?

199 posted on 08/10/2012 8:45:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
"Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28

Thank you. Another one that I like tells those of us who fear Him what He hates and finds detestable:

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12 A worthless person, a wicked man, Walks with a perverse mouth;
13 He winks with his eyes, He shuffles his feet, He points with his fingers;
14 Perversity is in his heart, He devises evil continually, He sows discord.
15 Therefore his calamity shall come suddenly; Suddenly he shall be broken without remedy.

16 These six things the Lord hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
17 A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil,
19 A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.

Proverbs 6:12-19 (New King James Version)

200 posted on 08/10/2012 9:03:13 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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