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Why 2012 is not 1980
Washinton comPost ^ | 8-7-12 | Greg Sargent

Posted on 08/07/2012 5:09:07 PM PDT by GR_Jr.

With Obama maintaining a small but persistent lead in national polls — and a seemingly larger one in key swing states — the Romney campaign has taken to comparing this race to the 1980 campaign, in which Jimmy Carter held a lead until voters swung sharply to Ronald Reagan in the final stretch. “Romney aides believe strongly that this race will play out like the 1980 campaign,” Byron York wrote recently.

This race will all but certainly tighten this fall, and it remains a toss up. But the comparison to 1980 struck me as flawed. I checked in with former Reagan adviser Ed Rollins, who worked communications on that campaign, and he agrees — there are very significant differences that make a last minute swing far less likely.

Reason one: Obama is a better and more likable politician than Jimmy Carter was, and Romney has not proven himself to be Ronald Reagan.

“There’s no question that on his best day, he’s not a Ronald Reagan,” Rollins said of Romney. “Traditionally incumbents don’t do as well in debates as challengers for the simple reason that challengers have to stand on the stage and look like an equal. Romney can do that, but Obama is good. He’s likeable. Carter was never likeable.”

“Romney is not proving yet that he has the solutions,” Rollins adds, noting that Carter had a very bad debate moment on nuclear proliferation. Obama is unlikely to make any major mistakes in the debates. Reagan hammered Carter for mismanaging the economy and national security; Obama is far harder to attack on the latter front....

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election2012; obama; romney
....Reason two: The electorate is far more polarized now. Rollins notes that a last-minute shift was enabled by the larger role Dem swing voters played at the time. “There was a big swing element in the Democratic Party — blue collar Democrats,” Rollins noted. “It’s smaller now.”

What’s more, this election will hinge heavily on base turnout, and the geographical area at play is far narrower than in 1980. “The battlefield is much smaller — it’s a totally different electorate,” Rollins says.

Reason three: Rollins notes that both campaigns — unlike in 1980 — will have all the resources they need, which limits the likelihood of a last minute swing and could reinforce the role of the base in the outcome. ”Obama has put an enormous sum into building his infrastructure,” Rollins says. “With such a saturation in TV buying between now and the election, things aren’t going to break through.”

If Romney is to win, it will have to be “ground out” over time, Rollins says, adding that a last minute dramatic swing “is awful hard to envision.”

1 posted on 08/07/2012 5:09:14 PM PDT by GR_Jr.
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To: GR_Jr.

Obama will win ten or less states.


2 posted on 08/07/2012 5:13:28 PM PDT by datura (Democrat = Socialist, Progressive Democrat = Communist)
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To: GR_Jr.

The Democrats also have millions of illegal aliens to count on as well that weren’t around in 1980. They’ve been playing the demographics game, and they’re winning.


3 posted on 08/07/2012 5:17:18 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: GR_Jr.

Sadly, millions of people who voted for Reagan are with him in heaven now.


4 posted on 08/07/2012 5:18:12 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: GR_Jr.

The media is delusional. They think the myth of Obama of 2008 actually existed. He didn’t then, and definitely does not now. This isn’t 1980. He’s losing and fairly handily now. It won’t be a wipeout because some blue states are not attainable, but the margin will be significant.


5 posted on 08/07/2012 5:21:42 PM PDT by ilgipper ( November cannot come soon enough)
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To: GR_Jr.
Obama is likeable? I guess if you like the dithering,snarky, narcissistic, whinny, no-sense-of-humor, America-hating, obsequious to foreign dictators, elitist, freedom-bashing, pandering, king size anal orifice type.
6 posted on 08/07/2012 5:23:30 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: GR_Jr.

It could be like 1980 but Romney needs to start getting tough like Reagan. If he learns anything, he has to learn this and do it Reagan style.


7 posted on 08/07/2012 5:24:51 PM PDT by RC2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMeDmV0ufU)
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To: GR_Jr.

The majority of Americans believe that decency prevents them from saying, out loud, that the black guy can’t cut it. They won’t tell pollsters that and they won’t tell their neighbors that. They will vote for Romney.


8 posted on 08/07/2012 5:30:57 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: GR_Jr.

It’s going to be a tight race... Until about 7:02 pm EST or so.


9 posted on 08/07/2012 5:35:42 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: GR_Jr.

More likable than Jimmy? I always thought Jimmy was a likable idiot while Obama is mean and divisive.


10 posted on 08/07/2012 5:36:38 PM PDT by MNDude ( Victimhood is the Holy Grail of liberalism)
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To: GR_Jr.
This is not 1980. Reagan was received enthusiastically by Conservatives. The only reason most people will vote for Romney is because he isn't Obama.

He needs to choose a Conservative running mate who can get Conservatives energized. If he goes with a RINO, he'll probably lose much of the ABO vote and the election.

IMHO.

11 posted on 08/07/2012 5:46:59 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: datura
Exactly.  Folks we don't like Romney, but in his appearances he says enough of the right things, and is charming enough to appeal to a lot of people.

I don't like him.  You don't like him.  We still shouldn't project our dislike for him onto him as it relates to him being appealing to the rank and file.

He's doing just fine.  I'm telling you folks, this isn't even going to be close.

Obama is in a full blown panic right now seeking desperately for $3 dollar donations.  How pathetic is that.

His money is drying up, just like his support is.

Don't listen to the DNCp. It's lying it's ass off.  
12 posted on 08/07/2012 5:51:59 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: MNDude
"Obama is a better and more likable politician than Jimmy Carter was"

I agree, that's crazy. I thought that Jimmy and Rosalynn would make OK -- albeit goofy -- neighbors. I'd never want to live anywhere Zero was my neighbor. He's just a mean, nasty, vengeful narcissist with delusions of godhood. I couldn't possibly live far enough away from him without moving to another planet.

13 posted on 08/07/2012 5:54:06 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: DoughtyOne
Don't listen to the DNCp. It's lying it's ass off.

Check this out.

14 posted on 08/07/2012 6:05:00 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: GR_Jr.

Because Slick Willard ain’t Reagan. Dump his Socialist ass and run Gov. Scott Walker !


15 posted on 08/07/2012 6:13:09 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: GR_Jr.

I’m going to go out on a limb and predict Romney wins the electoral college with 292.


16 posted on 08/07/2012 7:07:30 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: datura

Agreed. I see CA, HI, IL and that is about it.


17 posted on 08/07/2012 7:12:52 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: All

I was only a teenager back in 1980 but I remember that Reagan didn’t get any positive press. The media ignored him except for those that dismissed him as just an “actor” playing a role.
Romney is getting zero positive coverage, with the media attacking him as a “capitalist”, but using it as a pejorative and dismissing him.

I see parallels but the electoral reality on the past 16 years is what it is. The democrats have locked up the high population states, save a few and the Repubs have locked up the smaller population states, save a few. the swing states will again be the story and I don’t think Obama wins any.

I’ve stated this before, the states that Obama wins, will be by a much smaller margin, the states he loses will be convincing fashion. I expect a Bush 2004 type electoral victory but with a higher percentage of the popular vote.


18 posted on 08/07/2012 7:22:48 PM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: GR_Jr.

Years of Leftist indoctrination in the pubic schools has taken its toll. Morals have clearly declined and demographics are less favorable for conservatives right now. In 1980, there really were some conservative Democrats that supported tax cuts and small business in the South, Midwest and West. Parties tended to be more regional and responsive to their constituent values.
We will have a last chance to restore the free market and Constituional government before the demographic tsunami. We must prove to minorities that freedom is something worth fighting for if we are going to prevail in future elections and preserve liberty.


19 posted on 08/07/2012 8:27:25 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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