Posted on 08/03/2012 1:26:47 PM PDT by Bratch
Don’t buy the doom and gloom pronouncements from conservatives telling you, “this is the most important election in history.” A loss for Mitt Romney would not necessarily spell long lasting disaster for Republicans, nor would it be the death-knell to conservatism. In fact, it’s possible a 2012 loss could lay the groundwork for a stronger Republican party and conservative movement.
Elections are almost always seen as urgent and morally imperative. But sometimes major victories can only come in the aftermath of what appear to be devastating defeats. John Kerry‘s loss in 2004 laid the groundwork for a Democratic takeover in 2006 and 2008, and Jimmy Carter‘s defeat of Gerald Ford in 1976 paved the way for the Ronald Reagan in 1980. In other words, it is a mistake to assume losing a presidential election is a permanent defeat.
“This should be the most important election since 1980, but so far it is not,” says Reagan biographer Craig Shirley. “Scottish historian Thomas Carlyle postulated the ‘great man’ theory of history, and indeed this was true with Washington, Jackson, Lincoln, TR, FDR and Reagan. But history has not summoned forth great men in 2012 and in fact our history today is small.”
This is not to say Republicans should concede the election, but conservatives should keep November in proper perspective.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...
Second American Revolution and/or Civil War
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Civil War invites invasion by our enemies, amidst the confusion, and fighting, and etc ...
They’d be fools not to try.
JimRob has stated his beliefs and has drawn the line for his home, Free Republic. I respect that.
In case you haven't noticed, he has allowed those of us who disagree to continue to post and comment.
I am not trying to browbeat people to agree with me. I am stating what I intend to do and give an explanation for it.
After the first four years of Obama your statement makes me wonder how bad it would actually have to get for you to be concerned and perhaps compromise your sacred “principles”.
***Why do you put the word “principles” in quotes? Is it to denigrate such principles? Why do you even wonder what it would take to compromise such principles? There are dozens of non-conservatives actively campaigning on this conservative website to separate conservatives from their conservative principles & vote for a librul. That is not conservative. So go and convert some 0bots into mittbots. We can all agree that such a thing is the proper course of action. Free Republic is not a republican website; it is a conservative website. So, start acting conservative.
Upon reflection, I find it interesting that you want to see what it would take to get me to compromise my principles. I think we know what it took to make you give up on yours.
I almost died on the side of a mountain during a blizzard, bleeding out internally. Family was called because I had already coded a couple of times.
I fear no evil. God is with me. I will do what is right, and leave the results to Him.
/johnny
Why are you only interested in bating people instead of having an intelligent conversation?
***I explained it to you upthread — such freepers are bootlickers, let alone the fact they’re CINOs.
In case you haven’t noticed, he has allowed those of us who disagree to continue to post and comment.
***In case you haven’t noticed, occasionally JimRob has zotted some freepers who have engaged in exactly the same kind of posting behavior that I’m calling out.
I know what Romney’s record is. I’ve also experienced the first four years of Obama, the guy who thinks infanticide is a-ok.
Obama wins, it’s on your head and the head of others with your same mindset. Unfortunately, we’ll all reap the whirlwind...
“So go and convert some 0bots into mittbots. We can all agree that such a thing is the proper course of action”
Do you agree with that, really? I’m not convinced you do, since a second Obama term would be “no big deal” in your world, and a Romney presidency would be disastrous...
Once again, I hold the fate of the Republic in my vote. I gotta be the most powerful nobody that ever lived. /s
No sale. It's on the head of the GOP-E with their dirty tricks and smashmouthing conservatives.
Take it up with them. Ask Dewhurst how that worked out for him. I intend to run his establishment ass out of Texas politics in 2014.
/johnny
I didn't make any comment regarding you specifically.
I had no idea what your position was - if you intended to vote or not.
Once again - you jumped on a comment I made to someone else and got yourself in the middle and all worked up over something that was never directed at you.
Obama wins, it’s on your head and the head of others with your same mindset.
***Blame game. The other side of the coin. Why are you berating conservatives on a conservative website? This is not a republican website. Go and convert some 0bots into mittbots.
It would be far easier to primary a President Romney than it would be to recover from the damage unleashed by a second term of President Obama.
Do you agree with that, really?
***Yes I do. Do You? Romney and the GOP-E have gleefully decided in their disdain for our principles that they don’t need conservatives on this election. Perhaps they are right. Either way, the right approach is to convert 0bots to mittbots, so why exactly are you not doing that?
I’m not convinced you do,
***How convenient for you. It gives you a chance to further sow discord among conservatives. Obama thanks you for your efforts.
since a second Obama term would be “no big deal” in your world,
***Where did I say that?
and a Romney presidency would be disastrous...
***disastrous to conservatism, yes. Are YOU a conservative? Then why are you so busy sowing discord on this conservative (NOT Republican) website?
Once again - you jumped on a comment I made to someone else and got yourself in the middle and all worked up over something that was never directed at you.
***Very well, then. Since the comment was ‘directed’ at me, here’s my response:
What in the Wide, Wide, World of Sports makes you think I intend to sit out the election because I won’t vote for your liberal with an R?
It would be far easier to primary a President Romney than it would be to recover from the damage unleashed by a second term of President Obama.
***Interesting position. Is there some reason why having such a position would give republicans a blank check to go around browbeating conservatives on a conservative (non republican) website like FR?
I think the contrary will be far easier. What should the default position be? It would be to go and convert 0bots to mittbots rather than to sow discord with conservatives.
I stand by my opinion. You are free to stand by yours.
Yes, I’m a conservative, but I’m also willing to vote for someone I may only agree with 50% of the time, if neccessary, to defeat someone who is the antithesis of everything I’ve ever believed in. I’m me, you’re you, fine. I won’t debate it any further. I’m not trying to sow discord or convince anyone either, btw. I’m just angry and venting my frustration...
No, you’ll probably share that distinction with the majority of blacks, hispanics, homosexuals, atheists, single white women, etc.
And yes, I know I said directly above this that I’d stop but it just infuriates me to no end...
I hate seeing us fight each other.
I think it is a mistake to think re-electing Pres. Obama will not have dire consequences for the country, but I also share some of your concerns that a Romney Presidency could potentially do a tremendous amount of harm to the long-term cause of conservatism.
In the end, I have come to the conclusion that more harm is done by not voting for Romney, so I will cast my ballot for him in November. I’m not going to pick fights with those who decide otherwise though.
No fear-mongering here, FRiend; I just believe that Obama is intent on the radical transformation and destruction of the United States as founded. Yes, it's been said every election before, but we've never had a president like Barack Hussein Obama before. His first term has been every bit the government-power-expanding freedom-destroying disaster I expected, and then some. But a second term? What we have now pales in comparison to what's to come, if history is our judge.
As I'll vote mine.
The GOP-E is the source of your frustration, not the people that won't go along to get along.
I would respectfully suggest that you vent to them, and not to conservatives that will die before supporting abortion enablers, gun grabbers, and other assorted side winding, bushwhacking, cracker croakers.
/johnny
"Your way of thinking isn’t working. If it is, how did we get to Unlikely, Even more, Additional and Permanently?"
That's a bit of a non sequitur, but I'll go with it.
I don't expect much from President Romney, should we be so fortunate to avoid another term of the anti-Christ.
But I expect that he will roll back DeathCare, that he'll keep the Bush tax cuts, that he'll reduce the federal budget - slowly - back to roughly 20% of GDP, and that although his picks for the Court may be as poor as John Roberts, they won't be to the left of Ginsburg or Sotomayor.
Our problems are cultural, not really political. We've embraced sin. Electing folks like Romney (or even Ronald Reagan, himself) isn't going to save the day. It only delays what will be inevitable if we don't recapture our culture, if we don't turn away from death and darkness. But a Romney presidency will delay our ruin and provide more time for cultural renewal.
A second term for the anti-Christ will foreclose that possibility and we will enter a long and dark night. It is possible that even then, we may someday recover our culture, our country and our freedom. Not in my lifetime, but perhaps in the lifetimes of my grandchildren. Or maybe not at all.
I'd rather fight while there is still light.
sitetest
That's why I don't FReep much anymore. I got flamed for what I said, when I'm really just voicing my opinion and engaging in civil discourse. I still believe in Jim Rob and his mission for FR, but we really have to stop the in-fighting and do everything we can to bring down this Marxist presidency.
That’s a false dichotomy, and you know it. I will have more choices than that.
I detest Obama but Romney is not a conservative solution. Given the two, Romney isn’t a Communist, but that’s not enough to make me vote for him.
If they were the last two candidates on earth, of course I’d vote to remove Obama. Thankfully, they aren’t the last two candidates on earth, so I’ll find a conservative for President and vote straight conservative all over my ballot.
I answered your question, so now please do me the favor of answering this one: how will Romney’s election advance the cause of this website, which is grass-roots conservatism?
It happens every 4 years, like clockwork.
Vote your principles. That's the way a free republic works.
Thank you for not slamming those that won't vote for a liberal.
/johnny
“NONSENSE! Obama wins and it is over. Period. Don’t believe this crap.”
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What you said.
Congressional Republicans only act like Republicans when there is a Democrat in the White House.
I think it is a mistake to think re-electing Pres. Obama will not have dire consequences for the country, but I also share some of your concerns that a Romney Presidency could potentially do a tremendous amount of harm to the long-term cause of conservatism.
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Baloney.
Romney is the furthest thing from a conservative.
He’s not a conservative. He’s never been a conservative.
His only hope of conservatism, is a whole-lot endorsement of someone like Sarah Palin, or as good.
I half expect him to make that compromise, to actually select a Palin as a running mate.
If he does not, my vote ends November 7th. But until the votes are counted.
Romney is my guy.
I had no idea what your position was - if you intended to vote or not.
K. Let me 'splain. I intend to vote the entire ticket, top to bottom, for the most conservative candidate on the ticket. Period. If they support abortion, gun control, socialized medicine, or big government, I'm not voting for them.
I hope that clarifies my position.
I'm also looking to run some GOP-E types off the political stage, and leave them, hat in hand, wondering what exactly happened.
/johnny
Amen to that... NO second term for Obama! No way, no how!!
I’m not saying Romney is a conservative. He is a moderate at best.
My concern is that he will not govern as a conservative. He won’t institute the major reforms that are badly needed and that the country won’t improve much as a result.
The fact that Romney isn’t a conservative won’t stop the media from blaming all the country’s problems on the Tea Party though. It could set back the cause of conservatism tremendously.
Still, in spite of this risk, I think the risk of a second Obama term is even greater. That is why I will vote for Romney despite my reservations.
See that is the thing.
If Palin is VP I can see the risk of ‘blaming’ the tea party. Despite the fact the administration will have in it’s central slot - the most stand forward Tea Party around.
If Palin is VP I can see the risk, and I’ll (happily) take it.
If however Mitt goes for someone weak and gullible, I’ll hike the day after voting for him, and we’ll all move on starting from day one.
DAY ONE.
But first. Before that. We un-elect Obama.
THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE FACING AMERICA RIGHT NOW.
Everything else must wait.
November 7th, all bets are off, if Palin isn’t VP.
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They already do. Embrace the blame and kick it back to them. The old media is losing badly. Newsweak is going to stop printing dead tree editions, and will be another web blog. Which old media outlet listed millions in losses today?
Don't be afraid. Do what is right, trust to God for the results. Lots of lessons in the Cruz victory. GOP-E took a 14 point smackdown, with the help of principled conservatives, and by the Grace of God.
Vote your principles, but don't be in fear.
/johnny
I think the most important issue facing America right now is America turning away from God.
The most important political issue is that both parties are socialists, and conservatives have no party representation.
/johnny
Palin is Ms. Personality on our side.
Heck on both sides. She is it. Romney may just be Mr. Rich, and a lot of things which are not all back, but he is ... BORING.
Boring as the day is long. Boring with a capital B.
It all hinges on who Romney selects as his VP.
I’ve chosen. I’ll vote for Romney. And I’ll support Palin.
1) Once Obamacare goes into effect, it will never be fully repealed. No government program ever does. Future debates will be over how to reform it so it "works better", not over getting rid of it (see Social Security and Medicare).
2) There are at least four Supreme Court justices over 70 years old, including Scalia, Thomas, Ginsburg and Kennedy. While I have no guarantee Romney would pick true conservatives, I have an ironclad guarantee that Obama would pick true left-wing progressives (see Kagan and Sotomayor).
In other words, Romney may not be the conservative president we have been wanting, but he is not a European Socialist. And anyone who says there is no difference between Romney and Obama is fooling themselves.
I won't be voting for Romney even if Palin is the Veep candidate. For me, it's not about a cult of personality. It's about fundamental principles.
/johnny
I’m just angry and venting my frustration...
***The proper ventilation zone is the GOP, not conservatives.
No fear-mongering here, FRiend;
***That is exactly what it was.
you obviously have not been paying attention the last 3 1/2 years....your statement is inane at best.
anyone who says there is no difference between Romney and Obama is fooling themselves.
***Sure there’s a difference. But it’s not enough to vote for a lying, baby-killing statist just because he’s a little bit different from the other lying, baby-killing statist.
your right, I didn’t state it correctly. I really hope Obama loses and Romney wins
I hate seeing the infighting, too..
I’m sorry you feel that way.
I’m sorry you feel that way.
***I’m sorry you think you’re a conservative
I’m conservative (oh yea uh-huh) and pro-gay marriage and I want your ZOT!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2914374/posts
CINOs gonna push their liberal GOP candidate, and some of us won't comply. Frustrated CINOs lash out because conservatives won't go along to get along. Regular as clockwork.
/johnny
That same thing has been said as well.
If Clinton won a second term, FR would be shut down. We seem to be still here.
Lay off the histrionics. It's not helping you sell your candidate, and is very annoying.
/johnny
Well, they certainly aren’t going to impeach Romney, because he’ll be the GOP’s liberal marxist whose father was an open fan of Saul Alinksy.
Yes, I’m a conservative, but
***Uh, huh... A conservative willing to compromise his principles, a CINO
I’m conservative (oh yea uh-huh) and pro-gay marriage and I want your ZOT!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2914374/posts
Regular as clockwork.
***sorta begs the question why such CINO behavior has been tolerated these many years on FRee Republic.
I don't propose we zot them. Maybe they will, eventually, get some courage of conviction. Some that pushed for McLame are pissed off and now not voting for Romney.
Things get better, if you hold the line and the faith.
Not everyone that disagrees with us needs to be nuked. Unless they are politicians.
/johnny
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