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Did You Know that the Mormon Religion Was Partly Inspired By Islam?

Posted on 07/31/2012 10:07:05 AM PDT by pinochet

I recently acquired a paper back version of the late Christopher Hitchen's pro-atheist book "God is not Great", printed in 1998 by Hatchette Book Group USA. I do not agree with Hitchen's atheist views, but he has some useful information on the different religions of the world. On page 190-191, Hitchens mentions that the Mormon Prophet, Joseph Smith, saw Prophet Muhammad of Islam as his hero and role model. Smith is quoted as saying: "I shall be to this generation a new Muhammad". He is also quoted as saying "Either the Al-Koran or the Sword".

Of course, the Mormons of today are significantly different from Muslims. Mormons permit us to make fun of their holy prophet, without threatening to cut our heads off. If I decided to burn the book of Mormon, no Mormon Bishop will issue a fatwa, and declare jihad on me.

Perhaps the problem with Islam is not with the religion, but the fact that Arabs were a backward barbarian culture before and after they became Muslims. Arabs were a violent and war-like people before they became Muslims, and they killed each other off in large numbers. That makes them similar to war-like tribes like the Apache Indians of America, and the Vikings of Northern Europe. Islam simply became an excuse for Arabs to wage war on non-Arabs. America should focus more on trying to civilize Arab culture, rather than get rid of Islam.


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To: donna

Wait a minute... I have a couple more questions.

If I find myself in heaven and I call out the secret names of my girlfriends, will they show up too?? Oh, if I don’t remember their names (I was never any good at that), but if I still have my old worn-out ‘black book’, is calling out their phone numbers close enough?


51 posted on 07/31/2012 12:19:51 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: svcw

Every religion has lots of skeletons in the closet. Even yours if it’s old enough to be a religion. This kind of attack is despicable and without merit.

As for the issue here being eternal, I don’t see how that is justification for a mean spirited attack on a religion that has become more mainstream than many of the left leaning “Christian” churches.

I used the words veiled attack in deference to the author. Many of the comments that followed appear to be a blatant smear attack on behalf of some narrow minded hope for Ron Paul or Barack Obama.


52 posted on 07/31/2012 12:21:51 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Gator113

Well you’d have to be married to them in the super secret ceremony (dead or alive), and they are assigned a name for you to call, most likely so it’s easy for you to remember they’d all have the same assigned name.


53 posted on 07/31/2012 12:24:22 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: pinochet
Islam simply became an excuse for Arabs to wage war on non-Arabs

Everybody, including their own family.

54 posted on 07/31/2012 12:25:02 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Steamburg

This is exposure of mormonism pure and simple.
Exposure is not mean it is just exposure.
These exposures are not skeletons they are foundational to mormonism.


55 posted on 07/31/2012 12:31:18 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: donna

“And works includes “baptizing the dead”.”

You might find it strange, but I have never had a problem with the practice of “baptizing the dead”. If it doesn’t work, the dead sure aren’t going to care about it.

I have been thinking about earning a reverend certificate off the net and starting my very own church. At first I wanted to become a wealthy Black preacher... heck, I could get the tax advantages, yet I wouldn’t even need a building and overhead. After giving this idea thoughtful consideration, it occurred to me that I just couldn’t make it work... I am White.

Anyway, if I do get my reverend credentials, my church is going to baptize live people... they won’t need to be present either. I am just going to get the democrat voter lists and baptize every single one of them. Just imagine how happy they’ll be when they “hear the good news.”

Then, for only a single $50 cash donation (PayPal accepted) to my church, they can be unbaptized. Can you just imagine how many folks will be willing to pay $50, just so they can go back to living their life without the threat of being called a Christian... I’ll make millions.

There is much more money in democrats than dead people, it’s just tough to tell them apart.


56 posted on 07/31/2012 12:52:02 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: svcw

Re: #56... Soon, you may call me Rev. Gator...

This entire subject drives me crazy, as evidenced by my wacky posts. LOL


57 posted on 07/31/2012 12:57:46 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Steamburg; svcw; All
I don’t see how that is justification for a mean spirited attack on a religion that has become more mainstream than many of the left leaning “Christian” churches.

What exactly qualifies Mormonism as "mainstream?"

* It's practically non-existent in Asia.
* It's not there in most of Africa -- and barely discernible in other parts of Africa.
* In Brazil, the Mormons are literally asking the question of where are the almost 1 million missing members?
* In Sweden, the Mormon hierarchy has come up with a "Rescue Sweden" plan because many there -- including leaders -- are in apostasy.
* In America, Mormonism's "home-grown 'hot spot'" -- is still @ only 1.7% -- and only about 0.3% of Americans are temple Mormons. Many, many ex-Mormons and more on their way out...many others are "jack" (inactive) Lds. [See below asterisk line for links proving this]

So you're defending becoming a god--which is what Mormonism purports-- as "mainstream" "religion?" The New Age movement, which has been embraced by one of the Dem 2008 POTUS candidates Kucinich is much more "mainstream" than Mormonism...why don't you go to bat for the New Age cultists as well?

Wow! Just wow!

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Documentation of American Mormon exodus in process:
*Notes: Mormonism and the Internet [Duplicity/mixed messages cited; baptism-of-dead issue lingers]
* Survey on Mormon Disbelievers to be Released at UVU Forum [74% point to theological concerns]
* Why Mormons flee their church
* Number of faithful Mormons rapidly declining
* Mormons opening up in an Internet world [& Losing members accordingly]
* Special report -Mormonism besieged by the modern age [Lds church is hemorrhaging in member losses]
* See also 2010 posting: Why Mormons Leave Per study linked below -- a survey of over 3,000 Mormons -- the greatest reason Lds say they question their faith is theology (a full 74%).

(So much for those who portend that "theology" doesn't matter)

Per the survey results from over 3,000 Mormons seriously reviewing their faith --
--see released a survey for 26-page results!
-- Here are the top five "General Factors Contributing to Disbelief"...[this is found on page 8 chart of results]:

1. I ceased to believe in the church's doctrine/theology (74%)
2. I studied church history and lost my belief (70%)
3. I lost faith in Joseph Smith (70%) [my note: A very bad place to place & transfer faith toward to begin with!]
4. I lost faith in the Book of Mormon (65%)
5. I lost confidence in the general authorities (50%)

Two other factors within the Top 10 included:
* "I did not feel spiritually edified at church" (47%)
* and "Church's stance on race issues (blacks, native Americans, etc.)" (43%).

In contrast to the reasons Mormons & Mormon leaders often pin upon such disbelievers, only 4% said it was because they were offended by someone in the church and 4% also pinpointed "I wanted to engage in behaviors viewed as sinful by the church" [the very bottom reasons listed on the chart].

12% said they "received a spiritual witness to leave the church and go elsewhere"...Over 1/4 said they lost their faith in God/Jesus.

58 posted on 07/31/2012 1:12:43 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Colofornian

Every point you make is exactly why LDS is as mainstream as any other part of the fractured Christian Religion. All one has to do is look at the number of strip mall churches that have splintered off on a preacher’s power trip. Look at the size of the “non-denominational” empires shouting that they are the true salvation. Yep, all those warts and the fact that the church is still there after over a hundred years make it mainstream. Not my personal choice, but mainstream none the less.

Before you start, I said Religion, not Faith. There is a marked difference.


59 posted on 07/31/2012 1:40:34 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: pinochet

Did You Know that the Mormon Religion Was Partly Inspired By Islam?
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Yes I know...

The inventor Joey Smith tried his best to copy Mohammad...

Underage girls, rabble hordes of cutthroats stealing and murdering and all...

and this inspires the guy that the GOP-e is trying to force down our throats...


60 posted on 07/31/2012 1:57:34 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Steamburg
Huh? In my life I have never heard a non denominational Christian church say they are the “true salvation”. Everyone has said Jesus is Salvation.
Really because mormonism has been around for 100+ years makes it mainstream.....so witches, satanists, Druids .... have as well, hardly mainstream.
mormonism is anti-Christian, it needs to be exposed.
61 posted on 07/31/2012 2:04:18 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: faucetman; DesScorp; AlmaKing; greyfoxx39; pinochet; Steamburg; svcw; nascarnation; Lucas McCain; ..
[To Pinochet] SHUT UP! Obama is the Muslim not Romney. [Faucetman]

(Just Click on any # of links below to see otherwise...or some of Greyfoxx' links @ post #25]

The only connection with Islam is that when Joseph Smith first became famous, some American newspapermen (remember when we had those?) often called him “The New Mohammet”. Any other similarities are really superfluous. [DesScorp, Post #23]

Wrong. The links below PROVE you wrong.

The two religions are in no way linked. Your post is absolute bunk and anti-Mormon propaganda. [AlmaKing, Post #9]

Wrong. See Links below. Your post is pure pro-Romney propaganda -- minus ANY seeming review of the overwhelming evidence.

As for those questioning the source (posts #10 & #13) -- Nifster & Jessduntno -- we don't need to rely upon that...just click on all the links listed below!!!!

Detailed Similarities 'Tween Islam & Lds; 'Tween Muhammad & Joseph Smith

* Mormonism: What the Latter Day Saints think of Islam [Indicator of how Mitt perceives Islam?] [Pakistan Independent]
* Mitt Romney: "Islam is not an inherently violent faith" [My Note: With this kind of lack of Romney foreign policy discernment, expect MORE Romney foreign policy boo-boos like his comments in the UK @ Olympics]
* Islamic And Mormonism Similarities: Similarities Between Joseph Smith and Muhammad (Written by Brother Andrew, a pioneer missionary leader to typically "closed" countries re: the gospel)
* Islamic And Mormonism Similarities (Same content posted a year later on FR)
* Common Threads between Islam and Mormonism (posted by Freeper poster Kaslin and written by one with an Egyptian heritage)
* Common Threads between Islam and Mormonism (same thread as above -- posted by another FREEPER)
* Mormons and Muslims? How do you all see each other? [Written @ BYU source]
* A Latter-day Saint Perspective on Muhammad Mormon-(OPEN) [Written by a BYU prof and posted in official Lds church publication]
* Thoughts on Islam,” in Mormons and Muslims: Spiritual Foundations and Modern Manifestations
* Muslims and Latter-day Saints Mormon (OPEN) [article from a recognized Lds site]
* Bridges of faith between Mormons and Muslims
* (LDS)L.D.S. perspective on Islam (this is an earlier -- 2005 --FR thread citing a BYU prof who's been deemed a "leader" among Lds apologists)

Mormons and Muslim 'ecumenicalism':

* Mormons, Muslims break the fast in Southern California (Mormon "interfaith outreach)
* Muslims and Mormons share worship space in St Charles
* A Message of Friendship: Muslims and Latter-Day Saints [from a recognized Lds apologetics Web site]
* BYU Hawaii’s First Non-Mormon Student President Credits Mormons for Making Him a Better Muslim
* Muslims attending BYU focus on similarities between Islam, LDS tenets
* Mormons, Muslims get along by creating books, not destroying them [LDS OPEN]
* Major Islamic art exhibit being installed at BYU [Utah Mormon University]
* 'Beauty and Belief' - Acclaimed Islamic art exhibit at BYU [Mormon]
* Latter-day Saint Perspective on Muhammad (LDS/Muslim Caucus) (This was posted by a Mormon and was written by a BYU prof)

Mormonism's 'ecumenicalism' with Muslim jihadists even extends after death!

* Revealed: Mormons Baptized 9/11 Hijacker, made several attempts to Baptize Mohammed
* MSNBC: MORMONS BAPTIZED 9/11 HIJACKER: Will Mainstream Media destroy Romney over his Religion?

62 posted on 07/31/2012 2:19:54 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Steamburg; svcw; All
Every point you make is exactly why LDS is as mainstream as any other part of the fractured Christian Religion. All one has to do is look at the number of strip mall churches that have splintered off on a preacher’s power trip. Look at the size of the “non-denominational” empires shouting that they are the true salvation.

That last statement sounds like pure relativistic post-modernism...(I hope you didn't pay for that campus worldview)

Ya know, there's a HUGE diff 'tween someone claiming they offer (vs. are themselves) the "true salvation"

You might have a lot of non-denom churches pronouncing the former
-- that they OFFER true salvation...
...and are NOT the lone church on the face of the earth offering such salvation...
-- but it was Mitt Romney's father's cousin -- Marion Romney -- one of THE top three Lds hierarchists in the Lds church in the 60s...who claimed the latter. Don't believe me? Here, look:

"This Church is the ensign on the mountain spoken of by the Old Testament prophets. It is the way, the truth, and the life" (Conference Report, April, 1961, p. 119)]

(Marion Romney even substituted the Mormon church in place of Jesus Christ, who claimed -- per the Bible (John 14:6) to be the only way...!!!)

Also...per Lds "Doctrine & Covenants" 1:30...it's the Mormons who claim to be the "only true and living church on the face of the earth."

There...I cited an "address" for that...Can you cite EVEN ONE "strip mall church" that claims to be the "only true and living church on the face of the earth?"

I won't hold my breath for you to back up your straw man claim...and me -- not belonging to any "strip mall church" -- has nothing to gain by defending them!

63 posted on 07/31/2012 2:27:18 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Colofornian

Please be so kind as to remove me from your ping list.
I have no interest in anything you have to say.


64 posted on 07/31/2012 2:31:58 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Please be so kind so as to not respond to my pings unless you have an real opinion to offer


65 posted on 07/31/2012 2:51:50 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Colofornian

My scroll button doesn’t scroll fast enough for me to get through the screed that you copy and paste over and over and over again.

I asked you once to not contact me.

Now I am asking you again.

Whose ass do I have to kiss to get on your “ignore” list?


66 posted on 07/31/2012 2:55:53 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: pinochet

I get offended when people try to pretend that the Mormon cult is Christian. It isn’t.


67 posted on 07/31/2012 3:02:44 PM PDT by Woodsman27
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To: Colofornian

And your point is?


68 posted on 07/31/2012 3:06:31 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Great find. Thanks.

I’ve been exposed to many doctrines, but did not clearly see the parallels with Islam, although I have heard it suggested in the past. These clear points of comparison are definitive. The last point, the pride of these false prophets proclaiming superiority to Jesus Christ, is the most powerful point. It demonstrates that Mormonism is a cult, centered around a sinful man, not the man Christ Jesus.


69 posted on 07/31/2012 3:15:24 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: pinochet

Both “religions” favor “plural wives, “ but Mormons in this country have to keep that part of their lives in the closet now. And, most of them do.


70 posted on 07/31/2012 3:18:33 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Lol! Yes, I think that sums up Joey Smith!

Sadly, unless a meteorite strikes before the convention, though, I think the GOP-e will have gotten their way.


71 posted on 07/31/2012 3:23:00 PM PDT by livius
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To: Repeal The 17th
My scroll button doesn’t scroll fast enough for me to get through the screed that you copy and paste over and over and over again.

Sorry, but you're off-base here. I've never posted the content or links that I posted in post #62. 'Twas an entirely fresh post. Now that you're mistaken...what more can you post to try to regain a sense of credibility -- now that you've shown that you lack basic discernment on anything you might have to say?

I asked you once to not contact me. Now I am asking you again.

I asked you in post #65 to please not to respond to my pings unless you have a real opinion to offer. (You still haven't offered any real opinions.)

72 posted on 07/31/2012 3:35:16 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: nonsporting
It demonstrates that Mormonism is a cult, centered around a sinful man, not the man Christ Jesus.

Before someone misunderstands, left me forestall any criticism by quoting the full verse:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. (1 Timothy 2:5,6)

We only need one mediator, God manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16), not any other and especially not this antichrist Josepth Smith.

73 posted on 07/31/2012 3:38:06 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Colofornian; Admin Moderator

I am asking you now for the third time to stop.
Are you slow minded?


74 posted on 07/31/2012 3:38:19 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
I am asking you now for the third time to stop.

(I am asking for the third time now to please stop responding to my pings unless you have a real opinion to offer)

75 posted on 07/31/2012 3:39:55 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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(We have met the enemy, and he is among us)


76 posted on 07/31/2012 3:44:05 PM PDT by Colofornian (We have met the enemy, and he is among us)
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To: Colofornian

Please add me to your Mormonism ping lst.

Thank you.


77 posted on 07/31/2012 3:47:42 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: D-fendr

There are three identifiable factions in our era: the new world order fascist/banker group, the new world order communist group, and the new world order religious murderer group.


78 posted on 07/31/2012 6:00:59 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: AlmaKing

The father of Islam and MormonISM is the same liar, a murderer from the start.


79 posted on 07/31/2012 6:02:58 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: pinochet

At the time Mohammed began Islam, many Arabs had become followers of Jesus. He and his followers killed and/or forcibly “converted” Arabic Christians. It’s Islam, not Arabs in particular. Of course he and his followers also killed or forcibly “converted” millions of Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Jains, animists, etc.


80 posted on 07/31/2012 6:47:11 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: pinochet

I also don’t agree that Mormonism shows what Islam would have become etc. Islam, for all its faults, is monotheistic. Mormonism is not.

Mormons are buddy buddy with Moslems even today. I think their ideas of “heaven” are sort of similar. (Orgies)


81 posted on 07/31/2012 6:52:46 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Gator113

If I find myself in heaven and I call out the secret names of my girlfriends, will they show up too?? Oh, if I don’t remember their names (I was never any good at that), but if I still have my old worn-out ‘black book’, is calling out their phone numbers close enough?

Gator,

Do you truly want to know, or are you just spouting an insulting joke?


82 posted on 07/31/2012 7:57:23 PM PDT by a22freeman
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To: a22freeman

If that post insulted you, THAT would be the real joke.


83 posted on 07/31/2012 8:26:38 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Gator113
If that post insulted you, THAT would be the real joke.

Gutor,
I am insulted and you seem happy to have done it.

84 posted on 07/31/2012 8:43:40 PM PDT by a22freeman
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To: a22freeman

a22freeman
Since Jul 20, 2012

Get lost Troll.


85 posted on 07/31/2012 8:58:43 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Gator113

Why do you call me a TROLL?


86 posted on 07/31/2012 9:04:41 PM PDT by a22freeman
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To: pinochet

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.
“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4]

In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.
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[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.

(Decker, Ed, My Kingdom Come: The Mormon Quest for Godhood, Xulon Press, 2007)


87 posted on 07/31/2012 9:10:21 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: pinochet

Joseph Smith, Jr.’s statement that he was ”the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam.” was made on Sunday, May 26, 1844. It’s found in the LDS History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408-412.

By that date - May 26, 1844 - eight sects had already broken off from Joseph Smith’s church:
the Pure Church of Christ (1831),
the Independent Church (1832),
the Church of Christ (Boothite) (1836),
the Church of Christ (Parrishite) (1837),
the Alston Church (1839), the Church of Christ (Chubbyite) (late 1830s),
the Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lamb’s Wife (1840),
and the Church of Christ (Pageite) (1842).

As purely historical fact, that is not ‘keep[ing] a whole church together.”

Also, as purely historical fact, the May 26, 1844, is the speech Joseph Smith. Jr. gave after William Law testified before a grand jury that Smith was committing polygamy. Law also claimed that Smith had made several proposals to Law’s wife Jane, under the premise that Jane Law would enter a polyandrous marriage with Smith.

Law had been a member of the First Presidency, but after he objected to Joseph Smith repeatedly propositioning his wife, he was first removed from the First Presidency, and then excommunicated from the Church in April 1844.

As part of his May 25, 1844 speech, addressing the charges of polygamy, Smith said:
“What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one.”

At the time he claimed to have but one wife and said he was unjustly accused of polygamy, Smith had at least 34 wives.
Fourteen days later, William Law and six others published the first and only edition of the newspaper, the Nauvoo Expositor, which publicly accused Smith of three things:
(1) corrupting young women by coercing them into plural marriage;
(2) being a fallen prophet by engaging in polygamy and polyandry; and
(3) desiring to establish a theocracy (as one example, Law felt Smith was uniting church and state in Nauvoo, Illinois by evading extradition to be tried for crimes in Missouri).

Smith and the Nauvoo city council ordered that the Nauvoo printing press be destroyed and the type be pied, setting off the chain of events that led to Smith’s death on June 27, 1844, as a mob approached the Carthage jail and Smith shot and, according to LDS sources, killed two men with a smuggled pistol before rushing to the window and, according to LDS sources, trying to give the Masonic sign of distress.

Of course it’s more complicated than that; a charge of treason was made against Smith for declaring martial law and calling out the Nauvoo Legion, a personal army of up to 5,000 men over which he served as General.

But as with so many events in 19th Century LDS history - Smith’s claim to “have more to boast of than ever any man had,’ and that he had done some that Jesus never had, came as a result of polygamy and polyandry. And more particularly, the practice of polygamy and polyandry in secret, while lying about its practice both to the non-LDS public and to Saints who were not members of the inner circle.

As LDS Apostle Boyd K. Packer said in his famous speech to LDS historians, The Mantle is Far, Far Greater than the Intellect, in which LDS historians were directed not to publish truthful academic histories, but to publish only ‘faith-promoting” histories, “not all truths are useful.” History like this is not faith-promoting and is not repeated..


88 posted on 07/31/2012 9:17:07 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: faucetman; pinochet

Obama is the Muslim not Romney.
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Actually Obama’s latest religion is Mormonism...

Obama is just as Mormon if not more than Willard...

and Willard believes that...

Obama is the first mormon president...

Dont blame me...

Blame Willard’s wacky religion...

:)


89 posted on 07/31/2012 9:31:16 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: nascarnation

Amen. “By their fruits ye shall know them.”


90 posted on 08/02/2012 5:33:36 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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