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Car dealers fear Obama fuel standards will make new vehicles unaffordable
fox news ^ | 7/30/2012 | fox news

Posted on 07/30/2012 3:34:27 AM PDT by tobyhill

The White House is expected to OK federal standards in the next few weeks that will nearly double vehicle gas mileage for vehicles by 2025, as automotive dealers warn the changes could slam the recovering retail car industry because they will come with sticker prices that will keep buyers off their lots.

The recommendations call for “fleet wide” gas mileage of 54.4 miles a gallon by 2015 -- essentially the average gas mileage for cars, trucks, vans and all other vehicles in a model year.

The Environmental Protection Agency and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration submitted their proposed 2017-2025 fuel-efficiency recommendations in mid-July to the administration’s Office of Management and Budget.

“Dealers support fuel economy increases,” Bailey Wood, a National Automobile Dealers Association spokesman told FoxNews.com Saturday. “But if dealers cannot put vehicles on the road, we cannot reduce greenhouse gases or our dependence of foreign oil.”

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To: wayoverontheright

I personally think cars are too safe anyway. Its killing the professionalism and instinct that we used to develop behind the wheel.

I don’t want traction control or brakes that activate because the car senses that I’m about to have an accident.


51 posted on 07/30/2012 5:15:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: tobyhill
Ford is spending HUGE sums on R&D to make your F150 pickup truck body out of aluminum. See Next Ford F-150 May Feature Aluminum Body. Following Obama's diktats isn't cheap. Just wait until the body shop has to work on your aluminum body panels.

Also, you are going to get aluminum steering knuckles and stabilizer bars. Are you comfortable with aluminum steering parts?

52 posted on 07/30/2012 5:15:33 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Westbrook
The ultimate freedom is being able to jump in your own conveyance and go wherever you want, whenever you want.

A couple more reasons: try to find a practice range accessible by public transportation. Add at least $30 to take a zip car to the range. Job choices in the city tend to be government or contractors. City people do not have the option of wood heat. People are stuck buying overpriced merchandise unless they add the cost of a zip car to their shopping trip.

53 posted on 07/30/2012 5:17:04 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer

What is a zip car?


54 posted on 07/30/2012 5:20:11 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Westbrook

People without cars in the city rent these cars called zip cars. Mostly Minis and other cute impractical cars. They would get you out to the range and back but for $8/hour weekdays (more on weekends).


55 posted on 07/30/2012 5:27:08 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer

> $8/hour weekdays (more on weekends).

I don’t know about you, but that’s real money to me.

I’d rather have a motorcycle, bicycle, or horse and remain out here in the rural country.


56 posted on 07/30/2012 5:29:29 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Westbrook

I’m in the country except when I work which is in zip car land. It takes 1.5-2 hours each way but most of that time I am not driving but working or catching up on sleep.


57 posted on 07/30/2012 5:32:24 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Westbrook
One more intended or not consequence will be the death of the auto repair industry. As people quit driving the need for repair will go down. Old cars will still need repair but parts availability will become an issue.
58 posted on 07/30/2012 5:32:56 AM PDT by smithandwesson76subgun (full auto fun)
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To: bert
VW, BMW and Mercedes will kill the three above with diesels.

True, but they are not imported in large quantities. Even Ford and GM sell more diesels and more diesel models overseas.

59 posted on 07/30/2012 5:40:26 AM PDT by IamConservative (Well done is better than well said. - Ben Franklin)
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To: bert

VW, BMW, and Mercedes aren’t going to kill anybody.

It’s the coming tsunami of Chinese vehicles that will do the killing.


60 posted on 07/30/2012 5:47:11 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: IamConservative

-——but they are not imported in large quantities-——

Because they are made in Tennessee, South Carolina and Alabama


61 posted on 07/30/2012 5:55:26 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: taildragger
re-engine kits

Like a Yamaha XJR1300 with a 5 speed...disc brakes? That would be a fun golf cart.

(of course it would now need a re-body kit.)

62 posted on 07/30/2012 5:58:13 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: upchuck

It is time to buy all the F150’s,Silverodo’s and Rams you can find put them in storage and in a few years you will be rich.


63 posted on 07/30/2012 5:58:45 AM PDT by Pardeeville Liberator
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To: IamConservative
VW, BMW and Mercedes will kill the three above with diesels.

True, but they are not imported in large quantities. Even Ford and GM sell more diesels and more diesel models overseas.

I think that's in part because it's just easier to buy gasoline than to buy diesel fuel. Back in the post-Nixon/post-Carter oil crisis days of the 1980s, many manufacturers sold diesels -- the "Big 3" in the US, plus Toyota, Nissan, Volvo and Audi -- in addition to VW, BMW and Mercedes. There were probably others that I can't think of. Since most manufacturers sell diesels in the Rest of the World, it wouldn't be awfully difficult to sell diesels here in the US again. I think the main issue is a lack of demand.

If driving a lot of diesels and coal-powered (electric) cars is better for the environment than what we're driving now is debatable. But that's a different debate.

64 posted on 07/30/2012 5:58:53 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: tobyhill

If I was pResident I would decree that ALL vehicles must run on Pixie Dust and that their exhaust emissions must consist completely of Skittles.

That’s about as realistic as the shiite these arseholes are spewing.


65 posted on 07/30/2012 6:08:15 AM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Venturer

can’t get there with ethanol in the gasoline....


66 posted on 07/30/2012 6:21:01 AM PDT by stylin19a (Obama - Fredo Smart ...)
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To: tobyhill

Rebuilding and reconditioning old cars is going to become one of the top 3 growth industries of the next decade.


67 posted on 07/30/2012 6:40:57 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Sooth2222

Can’t wait until Cuba is opened to all of us...my first purchase will be a ‘57 Chevy.

Of course, the way it’s going, it will be the Russians buying up these oldie-goldies


68 posted on 07/30/2012 6:48:38 AM PDT by moovova (Chic-fil-A is good...and right.)
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To: tobyhill
That would be the general idea.

pResident Cloward-Piven's only goal is to overwhelm the system.

69 posted on 07/30/2012 7:05:41 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: central_va
At some point if you make a car to light it has a tendency to want to become airborne.

Well, they have been promising us flying cars for decades.

70 posted on 07/30/2012 7:13:51 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: pepsionice
What is stupid about mileage regs for cars is they don't take into effect what the car will be used for, or the number of passengers. 50 mpg might, (MIGHT) be a reasonable requirement for a single passenger commuter vehicle, but what about parents with children? What about carpooling, or sharing rides to activities? How is it more efficient to have six mothers each drive to the same practice event because they can only fit their own children in their 'efficient' car? What if I have more than two children under 16 (or whatever the dagnabed age it is that children have to be before than can sit in the front seat) What if my daughter's friend wants to come with us to the pool?

Enviroweenies can have my sport ute when they pry the keys out of my cold, dead fingers. Until then, stay away from the front bumper.

71 posted on 07/30/2012 7:35:06 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: Venturer
We aren’t talking aboiut one car here. We are talking fleet mileage.

The other thing is that the smaller, high mileage cars just have to be produced. Not one has to be sold and leave the dealers' lots.

72 posted on 07/30/2012 8:12:41 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It's time to take out the trash in DC.)
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To: Pardeeville Liberator
It is time to buy all the F150’s,Silverodo’s and Rams you can find put them in storage and in a few years you will be rich.

Last July I decided to trade my Ford Ranger for bigger truck. Looking around I decided on a Silverado. I didn't want anything out of the ordinary except I didn't want four wheel drive.

Silverados were scarce. Really scarce. I had dealers tell me the demand was great and folks that wanted to get rid of a Silverado usually sold it themselves because they could get top dollar. They also said "Cash For Clunkers" had really screwed up the used market.

It took me until Thanksgiving to find a truck: 2004, big V8, auto, air, towing pkg, etc., extended cab, 76K miles, nice truck.

73 posted on 07/30/2012 3:38:40 PM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: bert
California restricts trucks to 66 and is dying.

Max interstate speed limit here in Illinois is 65 - for any vehicle.

74 posted on 07/30/2012 9:38:27 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Free people, when presented only with evil choices, create other choices.(EternalVigilance))
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