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Romney Renews His Support For Gun Control, 23 July: "That's the kind of legislation I like"
27 Jul 12 | Xzins

Posted on 07/27/2012 6:19:33 AM PDT by xzins

Is it possible that Mitt is an inexperienced and undisciplined candidate, or should we begin viewing his comments as trial balloons?

The latest possible trial balloon came this past Monday in an interview with Larry Kudlow. In that discussion, Romney relates the situation in Aurora, Colorado to his time in Massachusetts when he was able to ban weapons such as the AR15, one of America's favorite sporting rifles.

Romney...the law that we signed in Massachusetts was a combination of efforts both on the part of those that were for additional gun rights and those that opposed gun rights,...Where there are opportunities for people of reasonable minds to come together and find common ground, that’s the kind of legislation I like. (http://www.nbcuniversal.presscentre.com/content/detail.aspx?ReleaseID=11599&NewsAreaId=2)

Romney has given us other trial balloons in recent months.

First, he consistently affirms RomneyCare, the massive government intrusion into healthcare that was the blueprint for Obama's massive government intrusion into healthcare. Sadly, Romney's health care plan included many items absolutely unacceptable to social conservatives. His continuing support for his program has many conservatives legitimately wondering if he intends merely to "fix" ObamaCare. Perhaps he thinks it would be better if just a little more in his own image.

Next, and only this past April, was Mitt Romney's support for gay couples. Compounding that problem was his assertion that gay couples should be allowed to adopt children. There are compounding problems with that, too. Mitt Romney has long had a special relationship with the gay-agenda wing of both parties. He has in the past given those advocates special assurances that he is the man they want in office. Just this past week, when Obama permitted military uniforms to be worn in a gay pride parade, there was no protest from Mitt Romney that this author can find. (Since pro-life chaplains can't march in pro-life parades in uniform, one wonders at the double standard.) To cap this off, during the debates, Romney indicated he was just fine with permitting open homosexuality in our military.

Now we have the governor who instituted strict gun control on "offensive weapons" reaffirming that decision. But that is not the critical part of the message.

Mitt Romney actually said on Monday -- this past Monday -- that when he can get legislators to agree on gun control, then "that's the kind of legislation I like."!

I can't help but dissect "that's the kind of legislation I like." What does that mean? Does it mean he's all in favor of signing gun control legislation if he can get legislators to originate it? That way, of course, he wouldn't be the only one taking the heat.

Does that mean that he doesn't really have a core value opposing gun control, that he'll sign on if he's not the only one with his neck on the line?

Trial Balloon or undisciplined comment?

You be the judge. But, you also better be careful, and make sure Romney never has a large enough group of RINOs to team with democrats to bring him gun control legislation.

After all, "That's the kind of legislation I like."


TOPICS: FReeper Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; elections; guncontrol; misleading; pooranalysis; propaganda; romney; romneytruthfile; teaparty; teapartyexpress; vanity; youwillnotdisarmus
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To: xzins

I have no delusions on what I’m getting with Romney. I have to choose between that and some cancerous psychotic fascist who if elected again, will probably start a civil war and try and hunt my family down to a mass grave somewhere in an open field.

This isn’t the choice of a lesser of two evils, this is a choice of surviving v. likely not the next 4 years.


51 posted on 07/27/2012 7:25:00 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: fatnotlazy; All
Those of you who think Romney will be an improvement over Obama...what do you have to say for yourselves?

It is still obvious that he will be an improvement over Obama. Romney is not ideologically committed to progressivism.

52 posted on 07/27/2012 7:30:12 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: cripplecreek

Well, I hope you’re happy with the Marxist Muslim.

He’s the only other horse in the race.


53 posted on 07/27/2012 7:31:49 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: ZULU

I thought Romney was going to bowl Obama over like nuthin.

Guess that’s all democrat style propaganda.


54 posted on 07/27/2012 7:35:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek
Ah Yes, the bigotry card. Are you competing with Jesse Jackson or just aspiring to be like him? Its pathetic.

Bigot: "One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."

Having a devoted love of country and not wanting to see it converted to some 3rd world, Socialist/Communist/Islamic hellholle (and taking to task those who appear willing to let this happen, for whatever reason) can hardly be considered "Bigotry."

That is something we all expect the Left's use of "Alinsky Tactics" (especially Rule No 5: Using "Ridicule") and not what one expects from a fellow Freeper.

OK, what else would you refer to "it" (Hatred) for all those who keep pounding Mittens and suggesting he is more eeevil, dangerous and more of a "Threat" than is Dear Leader in spite of not being able to produce a shred of evidence whereby Mitt has ever attacked our Constitution, shown any HATRED (or gone on an "apology tour") toward our Republic; has aligend himself with our sworn enmies, and worked diligently to affect "change" which is code word for harming, if not "DESTROYING" our Republic as we know it?

Of course if you or any of your fellow Mitt/Mormon haters can produce same, I'll gladly reconsider my intent on voting for the lesser of 2 evils.

56 posted on 07/27/2012 7:50:07 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: dirtboy

Conservative Vermont Vet went bye-bye...


57 posted on 07/27/2012 7:53:41 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: xzins

If Mittens wins, there will be a lot of people (and many freepers) with buyer’s remorse.


58 posted on 07/27/2012 7:58:05 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama.)
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To: Erik Latranyi; cripplecreek

Conservative does not = Republican. Quite the opposite anymore. The GOP doesn’t want conservatives, they LOATHE us, and then expect us to vote. I’ve left the GOP over Mitt. It is time to let them die a painful death and start a party where conservatives are welcome.

The GOP is like the date rapist who asks you out again after he rapes you. I’m tired of being raped politically.


59 posted on 07/27/2012 8:03:29 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama.)
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To: listenhillary

“Heading towards the cliff at 45 vs 90 miles per hour gives me more time to stock up on ammo and implements of survival.”

Actually, I fear it simply gives the tyrants more time to take them from you.


60 posted on 07/27/2012 8:05:17 AM PDT by LaserJock
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To: fatnotlazy
from an older thread

The concept is good, the implementation is impossible. Romney given a GOP controlled Congress will simply make the country more socialist. (See G. Bush with a GOP Congress). Definitely need the GOP to control Congress but NOT with Romney as President, Romney is a socialist (like Bush). So he is no better than the current Marxist occupant of the White House. Best thing to do is 3rd party at the top of the ticket and GOP down ballot. Deny Obama a mandate and hope the House and Senate can keep him in check.

Conservatives getting rolled by the GOPe time and time again has to stop. "If not now then when?"

Who knows a 3rd party candidate might get a little traction and be a real factor in the election. But one thing is for sure the conservatives need to be in open rebellion over their "2 party system" that is in fact 1 party with two wings, socialist/Marxist. I am off the plantation.

The only argument that used to be slightly convincing was Supreme Court appointments argument, well John Roberts nullified the voting GOPe for good court appointments arguments. Now there is absolutely no reason to vote GOPe, ever.

61 posted on 07/27/2012 8:12:03 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: LaserJock
Actually, I fear it simply gives the tyrants more time to take them from you.

A wonderfully apt point.

‎“The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts.”

-- Edmund Burke

"And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for the second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering."

-- Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Samuel Kercheval, Monticello, July 12, 1816

‎"When you become entitled to exercise the right of voting for public officers, let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers 'just men who will rule in the fear of God. The preservation of a republican government depends on the faithful discharge of this duty. If the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted; laws will be made not for the public good so much as for the selfish or local purposes; corrupt or incompetent men will be appointed to execute the laws; the public revenues will be squandered on unworthy men; and the rights of the citizens will be violated or disregarded. If a republican government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the laws."

-- Noah Webster


62 posted on 07/27/2012 8:12:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

I would knock off the insinuations that Romney critics on FR have a hidden agenda in wanting Obama re-elected. It’s one thing to debate an ABO position, it’s another thing entirely to sling that kind of trash around in the process.


64 posted on 07/27/2012 8:27:27 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: dirtboy
The GOP-E would stand up to any gun control effort by Obama. Would they do the same against Romney?

As someone who plans to vote for Romney (because Obama is an absolute disaster) I do fear this. If Romney wins, Republicans had better stand firm against gun control. To be fair, even Bush said he's sign an Assault Weapons Ban if congress put one on his desk.

That is the unknown danger Romney represents.

You are correct. We do know this about Obama. While he is clearly not a fan of private gun ownership, he hasn't done anything so far to curtail the Second Amendment while in office. In fact, he has been a huge disappointment to the proponents of gun control (who understandably had high expectations upon his election).

65 posted on 07/27/2012 8:27:34 AM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: rbmillerjr
after you have lost your second amendment rights, you can be sure that you will lose the rest of your rights. RedCon1-always.

The usual road to slavery is that first they take away your guns, then they take away your property, then last of all they tell you to shut up and say you are enjoying it. – James A. Donald

The people of the various provinces are strictly forbidden to have in their possession any swords, bows, spears, firearms or other types of arms. The possession of these elements makes difficult the collection of taxes and dues, and tends to permit uprising. – Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Japanese Shogun, August 29, 1558

When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually...I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor... - George Mason, Virginia Constitution Convention To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them. – George Mason

Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom. – John F. Kennedy

...arms...discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. ...Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them. -- Thomas Paine

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." --Thomas Jefferson

We should not forget that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was caused by the British attempt to confiscate the firearms of the colonists. - Patrick Henry

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -- Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776,

"What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . . Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House of Representatives, August 17, 1789 - Elbridge Gerry

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference. When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." (GEORGE WASHINGTON -Address to 1st session of Congress)

The militia may be here destroyed by that method which has been practiced in other parts of the world before; that is, by rendering them useless - by disarming them." (GEORGE MASON)"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." Patrick Henry During Virginia Ratification Convention 1788 (Elliot p.3:45)

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed...." Noah Webster (An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, Webster1787)

CAPTAIN JOHN PARKER (Commander, Lexington Militia Company) "Every man of you who is equipped, follow me..Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon. But if they want to have a war, let it begin here." Lexington, MA, 19 April 1775, as British troops approached on their march to Concord to implement gun control (Mine Eyes Have Seen, Goldstein 1997 & Quotes for the Military Writer, U.S. Army Command Information Unit, Library of HQ TRADOC)

DANIEL WEBSTER (Representative and Senator from New Hampshire, U.S. Secretary of State ) "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption for authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."

HUBERT H. HUMPHREY (Senator, Vice President) "Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms...The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard, against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible." (22 October 1959)

WINSTON CHURCHILL "If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

66 posted on 07/27/2012 8:32:32 AM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: beenaround; xzins
Romney: that’s the kind of legislation I like.

beenaround: My take on this (in bold) is Romney was speaking generally about legislation, any legislation which is passed with a bi partisan effort. I do not deny he had this particular law in mind as well since it is part of what I believe to be a statement of wider scope then just the gun control law.

Your statement is what is known as "whistling past the grave yard".

“We are losing our country to godless socialism and what does the GOP do? Run an abortionist/homosexualist statist whose socialist RomneyCare program was the blueprint and impetus for ObamaCare! Screw that!! I’ll vote for the GOP’s candidate for the presidency when they run a CONSERVATIVE!! Otherwise, to hell with them!! The GOP is fast cementing their place as part of the problem! Wake up America!!”

No I will not vote for an abortionist for president. Period. It’s no secret. I’ve been posting that I will not vote for Rudy/Romney abortionist for many years.

Welcome to Free Republic, America’s exclusive site for God, Family, Country, Life & Liberty conservatives!

Romney does not qualify on any count!

I use that quote frequently and don't attribute it, because then I'd have to ping the author and he has better things to do than be reading his own quote so often. You may guess who said it originally, I agree 100%.

67 posted on 07/27/2012 8:45:00 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Free people, when presented only with evil choices, create other choices.(EternalVigilance))
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To: RC one
"What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . . Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House of Representatives, August 17, 1789 - Elbridge Gerry

It's ironic that this quote comes from Gerry, who developed the method of geographically engineering a voting district to be favorable to a particular politician or political party. Political gamesmanship is much more of a "bane" of liberty than a standing army.

68 posted on 07/27/2012 8:45:30 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Texas Eagle

A noble hope and wish, but as I’ve posted before, I’m concerned whether or not that REALLY makes any difference, based on the non-performance of the TP frosh group we’ve elected to date.

While it was just MHO at the time I initially wrote those comments, consider the following quote that has appeared in several places on the web (EMPHASIS IS MINE):

“We don’t need a lot of Jim DeMint disciples,” Lott told the Washington Post, referring to the conservative South Carolina senator who has been a gadfly for party leadership and a champion for upstart conservative candidates.

“AS SOON AS THEY GET HERE, WE NEED TO CO-OPT THEM.”

With having to confront:
>foreign owned suppliers of programmable voting machines, >reguiring ID to vote being painted as racist and evil,
>purging voter rolls of the dead, duplicated and non-human classified the same way,
>outright packing of polling locations with bussed-in non-residents,
>Lamestream media duplicity in promoting all things liberal,
>the blatant hypocrisy of the left on ANY and ALL subjects
>the left’s BIG LIES being accepted by the general public as truth,
>the INCREDIBLE ignorance of the general public on a whole spectrum of issues such as: OB’s birth certificate and suppressed background, what’s going on with globull warming, OB’s rampant Executive Order Generator,his cadre of unelected/unconfirmed “czars”, Ob’s assassination list, use of drones for civilian monitoring, the TRUE impact of OBCare,
>and a whole host of other campaigns against our basic freedoms,

We now have an establishment MAJOR PLAYER admitting that there is a covert program to convert incoming newly elected and uncompromised representatives over to the dark side.

Where are we to find a glimmer of hope for this once great nation??


69 posted on 07/27/2012 8:45:47 AM PDT by CanuckYank
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To: xzins

1st. Romney won’t be implementing any more gun control than we have now. He simply won’t be compelled to by a non-existent majority on the left. In fact, the reality is we will have the numbers on our side, not just in Republicans but in Democrats who cherish the 2nd Ammendment.

2nd. The context of “Where there are opportunities for people of reasonable minds to come together and find common ground, that’s the kind of legislation I like.”

It isn’t that he approves of more gun control but the context of what he said is that he prefers bipartisan legislation.

4th. Romney is an opportunist and a manager. He will look to a majority Congress for direction on issues he will support.

#1 FUMR


70 posted on 07/27/2012 8:48:47 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: TheOldLady

Conservative Vermont Vet is history and good riddance!


71 posted on 07/27/2012 8:49:10 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Free people, when presented only with evil choices, create other choices.(EternalVigilance))
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To: Graybeard58

It was only my opinion on what Romney said in the interview which I watched. I agree with the quote in your post.


72 posted on 07/27/2012 8:51:15 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: RC one

THX

An EXCELLENT shirt treatise on the 2ndA.

Here’s my position for what it’s worth:

There should be ABSOLUTELY NO debate about the Second Amendment.

(a) It is NOT about hunting, target practice/competitive shooting or protecting your home and family.

(b) It’s sole purpose was to guarantee to We the People a method of replacing the gubmint if and when exercise of the FIRST Amendment rights failed to resolve conflicts.

(c) Had gun registration been in place in 1776, the Brits would have confiscated them all, and today we’d all be speaking with British accents.

END OF DISCUSSION.


73 posted on 07/27/2012 8:52:00 AM PDT by CanuckYank
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To: cripplecreek
I think all free people have a right to bear arms even if they have a criminal record. After all, if you can't trust someone with a weapon, why the hell did you let them out of prison?

That is truly conservative thinking.

(By the way, my felony was bearing arms and no I didn't threaten anyone with a gun, I simply possessed it - I'm in Illinois)

74 posted on 07/27/2012 8:53:26 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Free people, when presented only with evil choices, create other choices.(EternalVigilance))
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To: reaganaut
The GOP is like the date rapist who asks you out again after he rapes you. I’m tired of being raped politically.

And they're openly laughing at conservatives. Just a few weeks ago Ed Rollins was on FOX and was asked about Mitt's primary problems with southern conservatives. HE LAUGHED, and said they will vote for Romney no matter what because they don't have any other choice.
75 posted on 07/27/2012 8:58:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Graybeard58

Wow. I thought he was already gone, LOL!


76 posted on 07/27/2012 8:58:38 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: CanuckYank
CAPTAIN JOHN PARKER (Commander, Lexington Militia Company) "Every man of you who is equipped, follow me..Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon. But if they want to have a war, let it begin here." Lexington, MA, 19 April 1775, as British troops approached on their march to Concord to implement gun control (Mine Eyes Have Seen, Goldstein 1997 & Quotes for the Military Writer, U.S. Army Command Information Unit, Library of HQ TRADOC)

The first shots of the American revolution were fired over gun control. The Brits were coming to lexington to confiscate weapons, gun powder, and lead.

77 posted on 07/27/2012 9:00:04 AM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: listenhillary
Heading towards the cliff at 45 vs 90 miles per hour gives me more time to stock up on ammo and implements of survival.

C'mon, LH, just the way you wrote that says you're not happy with the situation. If you're an ABO, then we need you to hold Romney's feet to the fire. Send a letter to his campaign and tell him to quit making dumb comments.

There is no law that says you have to go in lockstep with every silly thing a canddiate says.

78 posted on 07/27/2012 9:04:10 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Graybeard58

I failed to appear for court on a drunk driving charge some 20 years ago.

Oh the horrors, no telling what kind of bloodthirsty behavior a handgun might cause me to do.


79 posted on 07/27/2012 9:04:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: xzins

Romney doesn’t have a reasonable mind when it comes to gun control, he’s a gun grabber just like Chuckie and his Rat cronies.

We have to get Conservatives in office down the ticket to thwart whichever turkey is elected to WH in this election.


80 posted on 07/27/2012 9:12:46 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet; Graybeard58; Admin Moderator; Jim Thompson; darkwing104; SunkenCiv; ...

So long, Conservative Vermont Vet (Posting History)
Hat Tip to Graybeard58
Mythens fan just doesn't get it and ends up scraped into a pile of guts and ashes



The lesser of two evils is still EVIL



FReepmail TheOldLady to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.

81 posted on 07/27/2012 9:16:22 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

82 posted on 07/27/2012 9:25:17 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: TheOldLady
Wow. I thought he was already gone

Yep, it wasn't a matter of if, but when.

83 posted on 07/27/2012 9:26:16 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

In 100% agreement with you, Jazusamo.


84 posted on 07/27/2012 9:29:54 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: jazusamo

In 100% agreement with you, Jazusamo.


85 posted on 07/27/2012 9:30:09 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

“of not being able to produce a shred of evidence whereby Mitt has ever attacked our Constitution”

How convenient of you to ignore Mitt’s permanent Massachussets gun ban -AGAINST THS CONSTITUTION-, his push for homosexual marriage in Massachussetts, his appointing of multiple extreme leftwing judges, raising taxes, Romneycare, etc etc etc.


86 posted on 07/27/2012 9:51:01 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: RC one

THX that is a cornerstone scenario and should be required memorization for each and every elementary school student anad should be on every exit exam for promotion to the next grade, all the way through last grade of high school.

THEN it should be the foundation of a one semester, MANDATORY civics course at EACH AND EVERY post secondary school covering the REAL “Roots” story (ie how the USA was created).


87 posted on 07/27/2012 9:54:08 AM PDT by CanuckYank
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To: xzins

Once again, the GOP rises to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.


88 posted on 07/27/2012 10:01:02 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: jazusamo

People have been flagging him and complaining about him for a few weeks AFAIK, and he must have gotten on Admin’s last nerve today.


89 posted on 07/27/2012 10:05:56 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Slings and Arrows

The ABOs, the legimate conservative ones — I bear them no ill will — should be on the phone, burning up servers, wearing out word processors, doing everything they can to send the Romney Campaign a huge thumbs down on this.

They’re afraid that pointing out Mitt’s problems will cause him to lose, so they don’t want to rock the boat. I believe the opposite is true, because Obama’s team knows when Mitt has made a mistake. They will hit him just as hard over those mistakes but through their super-Pacs who will use this stuff to make him seem like a flip-flopper.

They should be nailing Romney’s hide to the wall and holding his feet to the fire. They should be loud and vocal with their displeasure. Otherwise, ABOs are permitting Romney to move to the left.


90 posted on 07/27/2012 10:10:30 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

In my view, we lost it the day Sarah decided not to run. I’m voting third party
***Why not vote Republican? I’ll be writing in Sarah. Any conservative republican would do for that slot. Conservative republican, up & down the ticket.


91 posted on 07/27/2012 10:13:23 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: xzins

Now we have the governor who instituted strict gun control on “offensive weapons” reaffirming that decision. But that is not the critical part of the message.


Does anyone really expect him to nominate conservative judges to the SCOTUS?


92 posted on 07/27/2012 10:14:45 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: ZULU; cripplecreek

Unfortunately, we are stuck with this moron. The only alternative is four more years of the Marxist Muslim which is infinitely WORSE.

Really? I live in Wisconsin. Obama would not even set foot in my state to campaign against Governor Scott Walker during the recall. Obama is effectively neutered here. He's really not that scary when you realize what a puppet he is. Even without an edge in the Senate and only a small edge in the House, he is nearly gridlocked today. (Were it not for Romney-like "conservative" compromiser of a Supreme Court judge, he *would be* gridlocked.) After the 2012 Congressional elections are complete, he *will be* totally gridlocked. We need fever Romney's on our team, not more of them. Obama's only tool remaining is Executive Order and he is using it to the point of abuse. So much so that impeachment papers are already circulating Congress and gaining steam. Like Clinton in '92, I'd be amazed if Obama is not served impeachment papers within two years of his second term. And unlike Clinton, Obama has far fewer friends and far more egregious oversteps. The alternative I see is complete gridlock holding Obama (or Biden if Obama is impeached) in-check while we continue to make gains in Congress. I prefer that over allowing Romney to redefine conservatism in his liberal image, damage the republican brand for elections to come, compromise our way to socialism over a four or eight year term, and then hand the Executive Office back to an Obama-type for four or eight more years after that. I can't wait twelve to sixteen years for the chance of a do-over and a genuine conservative to set this nation back on course. I prefer to do it now with someone like Virgil Goode as POTUS. But if that is not possible, I can hope for a do-over in four years by *NOT* having Romney installed.


93 posted on 07/27/2012 10:14:45 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: dirtboy; xzins; Alamo-Girl
The GOP-E would stand up to any gun control effort by Obama. Would they do the same against Romney? That is the unknown danger Romney represents.

Obama will get most of the democrats and NONE of the Republicans. Romney will get ALL of the democrats and JUST ENOUGH Republicans. That will be the way Romney institutes his progressive agenda on all the issues.

Romney is the perfect candidate to take on the Conservatives in the house and senate and squelch the conservative cause on such topics as the homosexual agenda, abortion, socialized medicine and gun control.

94 posted on 07/27/2012 10:15:30 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

With Scotus appointments he’ll look for those who will get him the highest possible approval numbers. IOW, moderates praised by as many media outlets as possible.


95 posted on 07/27/2012 10:23:35 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe
Romney will get ALL of the democrats and JUST ENOUGH Republicans. That will be the way Romney institutes his progressive agenda on all the issues.

That is why I expect the behind-the-scenes power brokers to be in Romney's corner.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he wins.

Their biggest concern is figuring out how to deal with it when Obama plays the race card. My guess is that they'll just buy him off.

96 posted on 07/27/2012 10:26:22 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Your points are valid. Do you, or anyone else on this thread, have any contact information for Romney and/or his campaign?


97 posted on 07/27/2012 10:33:05 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: xzins
ABO - Anybody But Obama!
98 posted on 07/27/2012 10:42:48 AM PDT by Vernon
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To: Vernon; xzins
ABO - Anybody But Obama!

Virgil Goode is clearly qualified under that criteria.

99 posted on 07/27/2012 11:18:06 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: so_real

See:

http://www.mittromney.com/es/contact-us

I’m probably voting for this bastard because I hate the OTHER bastard in there right now so much. But EVERYBODY, REGARDLESS of whether or not you are voting for Romney, should contact this jerk’s office and tell him what you think of his ridiculous statements on the Second Amendment.

America is neither Massachusetts NOR New Jersey (Thank God!!!)


100 posted on 07/27/2012 11:18:49 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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