Posted on 07/26/2012 11:44:37 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
Victim 2, the boy who was, until now, known to exist only because Mike McQueary saw him being molested by Jerry Sandusky in a Penn State shower in 2001, has come forward to two State College lawyers.
Andrew Shubin and Justine Andronici, two lawyers who launched their own investigation into Sandusky's activities over the last four decades -- and the reactions of people around him -- say that Victim 2 has identified himself to them.
As part of the investigation, they acquired voicemails from Sandusky to the man, and released those on www. rossfellercasey.com, the website of the Philadelphia law firm they are working with.
In both, Sandusky ends the message with "love you."
They released a statement that reads, in part:
"Our client suffered extensive sexual abuse over many years both before and after the 2001 incident Michael McQueary witnessed in the Penn State Lasch building shower.
"Penn State has now admitted and there is no longer any question that its top officials could have and should have prevented these acts.
"Jerry Sandusky's abuse of Victim 2 and other children is a direct result of a conspiracy to conceal Sandusky's conduct and the decisions by top Penn State officials that facilitated and enabled his access to victims.
(Excerpt) Read more at pennlive.com ...
I heard legal experts say that this will cost Penn State around $100 million. That is chicken feed -- they have a $1.8 billion endowment and $4 billion budget.
To those who feel the punishment is too severe, and that former Penn State football players should not have to suffer punishment (have their game winnings removed from NCAA records) because the college administration “looked the other way.” - think of this:
There is no way I will believe that some, probably very many, football players had heard about what Sandusky was doing. Colleges are full of rumors and stories. Over the years Sandusky’s behavior had to be talked about in the locker rooms, and boys on the team had to warn one another. But they kept quiet too. Don’t tell me they didn’t have some knowledge. And, so, Sandusky continued. The players continued to play, the college continued to reap in the $$$ benefits, and the players continued to be honored. No one wanted to give up anything for the sake of being forthright and moral and speaking up about the crimes being committed by Sandusky. No one wanted their own record harmed by not having a chance to play and win.
The football teams, over the years, are just as much at fault as the administration. It is nonsense to think that young men who are in such close contact with each other for days, months, years on end did not know and talk about what was going on when Sandusky went to the locker rooms with young boys. You men out there...who were on sports teams or in the military...you know you knew who to avoid and why; you were told by your teammates...and you talked about it with one another. The silence of the players in not reporting what they all had to know, or even just suspect, is just as deplorable as the silence of the administration. They all share in a portion of the guilt.
Hmmmmmm
Speaking of The Second Mile, have you seen this article?! Sounds like the initial rumors of this all being part of pimping out young boys for the well connected just may be true!
http://americanfreepress.net/?p=5116
I look at it this way, what would anyone have to gain by making up such a story?
Sorry. Upon reading further in this thread, I see that article has already been pointed out. I hope everyone reads it!
Take from that what you will.
Damned, all of those who knew and did nothing to stop the fiend.
But you know, Georgia fans are very bit as football crazed as PSU, but we've never had the weird kind of personality cult they have at PSU. Even Vince Dooley had half the fans wanting him fired any year he didn't win the SEC.
None of the victims have made this accusation. Why not, if it is true?
The school was aware of serious felonies committed by their top assistant coach. Failing to report those crimes allowed them to keep him around, allowed them to keep him as part of the football program, and allowed them to keep the Penn State name looking clean. All of these things caused them to gain competitive advantage vs. if they had reported Sandusky's crimes.
In order to gain this competitive advantage, the school took actions that allowed Sandusky to continue raping children.
The NCAA went far too easy on Penn State. If anything the entire school should be burned to the ground.
I imagine the boy thought - when McQueary saw him and he saw McQueary - that the abuse might FINALLY be over.
But McQueary left him to his fate and nothing was done for the next DECADE.
Paterno let Sandusky know he was seen soon after so no doubt there was an extra dose of ‘if you tell nobody will believe you’ applied to the victim.
McQueary got a job out of the deal - to buy his silence apparently.
Sick. Damned. Damn sick.
I’m glad you posted this the second time. People need to read it. It means that on the Penn State campus there was more than just one Sandusky.
Sandusky was a Head Coach candidate for both Temple and Maryland. Both schools were interested in the D-Coordinator at Linebacker U, and both suddenly dropped their interest in Sandusky. I wonder why? Word get out about what he liked to do in his spare time?
Bravo! Hammer-nail!
Did you read this article (poste above)? Everyone should, gives details that the world needs to know, as disgusting and vile as they are.
http://americanfreepress.net/?p=5116
“He vowed to make PSU the most “gay-friendly” campus in the country.”
Not that it would have anything to do with Sandusky. Cause we all know that queers and pedophiles have nothing in common.
Other than, well, that. And this. And the other thing.
This is not a typical case.
Yea. That’s what I was talking about earlier. Doesn’t sound like “rumors”. Looks like a first hand account to me.
Not a chance. The records for the period involving the 2001 shower incident and surrounding years went 'missing' from offsite storage. Here's the Free Republic link to the story.
No. Then again, you don't have a statue of your living, current coach (as a certain other SEC school does).
Thank god for underachievement!
I'll bet Jack Raykovitz, the longtime president and CEO of The Second Mile knows where they went.
How horrifying. Feminists would have infiltrated this ring if they had been raping girls. On second thought, maybe not if the pedos were democraps.
At work, if guy who runs the operation as owner or CEO knows someone is committing crimes on the business’ property, he can not legally permit that to happen or he is abetting the crime by lending his property to be used in a criminal operation.
The Penn State pervs permitted Sandusky to continue to bring boys onto University property after finding out he raped a boy in the shower.
Now from a moral point of view. If you know a pedophile ring is operating in your local school or boys club, would you not feel obligated to report it to the police and let parents know so that you could protect the boys from futher harm? It would be immoral, low down stinking, for any adult to close their eyes to child sex abuse. It is a horrendous crime. Triple that harm for homosexuals twisting the sexuality of boys or girls for self gratification. This is the way homo reproduce- child abuse.
The NCAA is a joke. Cam Newton?? Reggie Bush? 81 violations at Miami, 8 blatant violations at Ohio State. Give me a break!!This Penn State ( I went to TEXAS) sanction is the dumbest, most misplaced thing I have ever seen. What a knee slapping joke. I hate Penn State but this was unfair to a factor of 100!!
Remove all vestige of Pedternose name from the campus. Remove him for recognition as “winningest” coach as unsuited. Hang Sandusky Live on TV and PLAY ON!!! Why do we punish the innocent?? Every one I talked to today was rethinking the insanity of this!! What if a coach murders his wife?? What is your solution to that?? Huhhhhh?
Your hysteria over this is unseemly.
Penn State has been punished very severely, Their winning record from 1998 forward has been erased (wrongly in my view).
What do you want to do. Salt the earth at Happy Valley? (and i am no PS fan)
Talk about “over kill” What does Penn State have to do with this? Are we going to impute the crimes of a professor to the engineering department and stop students from graduating? Are we going to punish 93 young football players for the criminal acts of a retired pedophile and an old coach with Alzheimer? Why? Somebody give me an AMEN!! This is madness.
Supposition.
Got any proof of this?
Go back and read what you just wrote— Is the Business responsible or the person? Everyone knows that Pedturnose was a criminal but you don’t fire everyone and close the doors of a business!!! You fire PedTurnose and PLAY ON!!!What did the football team have to do with this? There was no benefit to them at all!!! To have Pedturnose cover for an old retired coach?? How does that benefit the team? What a freaking joke this is. What we have here is a total fiasco and the lawyers for Ped State should be sued real bad. What a panic these idiots made a decision in. A BAD DECISION! The entire administration should be fired for WEAKNESS!@!!
Actually Paterno was OK with Sandusky attempting to set up a football program at Penn State-Altoona....it didn’t happen, and it wasn’t clear to me from the Freeh report why there was a short “window of opportunity.”
Paterno knew that he couldn’t keep Sandusky a complete secret forever? (Just a guess on my part)
Also the Freeh report noted it was unusual for an assistant coach emeritus to be given keys to the weight room and such.
So PSU was OK with bringing his boy toys on campus too. The assistant coach emeritus thing must have given them what they thought would be plausible deniability.
I will give you a “Get a grip, football is only a game” instead.
This is appropriate.
The coaching staff is every bit as much a part of the program as the player.
Part of the student body rioted and destroyed vehicles downtown when Paterno was fired, even though there was already peblic evidence to show he had lied before a grand jury and damned well needed to be fired.
A game isn’t of much import up against maintaining a boundry that raping children is intolerable. No matter who you are. You don’t do it, and you never let someone who does hide it.
Football is just a game.
Repeat that to yourself when you go to bed every night for a month, until you fall asleep.
Fast Eddy and the Philly mob...
All I did was ask what your solution would be. Where the “coach murdering his wife” came from, I have no idea. I wasn’t being confrontational at all. I simply wanted to know what your solution to this situation would be if not some sort of punishment for the university.
Also, I think you need to calm down. :-)
However, to answer the broader question...if the university was not somehow punished then wouldn’t that tell all of the other insitutions of higher-learning that the tolerating of pedophiles/the covering-up of pedophilia is OK?
Yeah well repeat this. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Got it?
No. Here is what you do. You put the pedophile and anyone who knows about the abomination in prison. Right? NOT THE UNIVERSITY THEY HAD RETIRED FROM. Holy cow!!! Wake up!!
There is no baby here. Zero things that even show up on the radar.
A few young men wont get to play a kids game on weekends in goofy uniforms.
Other people won’t get to watch them.
The people at the university on charge of the stadium, the training, and the entire university did something really really bad.
So less silly kids games for a while.
No tragedy.
No baby.
The bathwater was empty
Hysteria??
You are kidding right?
Penn State, the very upper echelons of the administration, KNEW what Sandusky had, was and was going to continue doing, and in order to protect their program, knowingly chose to cover it up and allow him to continue to do it all so they could continue to play football. Period, that’s what they did.
Now the NCAA basically has said, hey, its okay, you can protect child molestors and let them keep on doign what they do, not turn it over to police, and hell keep letting them use your facilities to do it in on top of all that, just so you can keep playing sports under our Banner.. and that’s okay with us. Just pay us some money, give up so records and no bowls for 4 years.
That’s exactly what the NCAA has said, they have said EVEN KNOWINGLY PROTECTING AN ACTIVE PEDOPHILE BY YOUR COLLEGE IN ORDER TO PLAY OUR SPORTS is okay, just as long as you pay some $$... The NCAA are a bunch of whores.
How any ruling body, can say, you did this, you did this in order to protect your sports program and continue to play sports under our ruling body, and we’ll let you keep doing that even though it was systemic and involved the administration up and down, but hey, its okay you can still play under our banner. That’s cowardice.
Even pedophilia is not enough for the NCAA to do what is right, I know I would never again let any ogranization that engaged in such behavior EVER engage in any activity under my banner ever again.
Do you think if the CEO of GE would keep his job and keep working if he had done this? Would GE say, hey just pay us a few Million, vacate your stock options for the last 10 years, and you know what, no corporate paid trips to hawaii for 4 years. Do you think that’s adequate punishment? Because that’s EXACTLY what NCAA has done, and you try to claim is “SEVERE”.
There is nothing SEVERE about what the NCAA did, they copped out. They are whores, nothing more.
Your response is not rational.
Good day.
This is deja-vu all over again.
Was there some reason that the name of the DA [Ray Gricar] in the 1998 incident along with his mysterious disappearance in 2005 was left out of Freeh's report.
Apparently this Sandusky Grand Jury was empanelled by Attorney General Corbett in 2008 when he was a Board Member of Penn State. What does that tell you???
Same thing happened at Penn. State. Who do you believe, the “trouble” kid or the revered football coach hailing from the glorious Penn State.
The Cardinal sent the priests to therapy and “retired” the problem priests. The problem priests still walked around with a collar and gained access to children although they were not acting officially on behalf of the church. The Cardinal said he didn't know what else to do.
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