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Obama urges tighter background checks on gun buyers after Aurora massacre
Yahoo! News ^ | July 25, 2012 | Olivier Knox

Posted on 07/25/2012 10:16:56 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

In his broadest remarks on gun control yet in the aftermath of the mass shooting at a Colorado movie theater, President Barack Obama called late Wednesday for tougher background checks designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill.

"A lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals -- that they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities," the president, who has called for reimposing the Assault Weapons Ban, said in a speech to the National Urban League.

"I believe the majority of gun owners would agree that we should do everything possible to prevent criminals and fugitives from purchasing weapons; that we should check someone's criminal record before they can check out a gun seller; that a mentally unbalanced individual should not be able to get his hands on a gun so easily," he said. "These steps shouldn't be controversial. They should be common sense."

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1 posted on 07/25/2012 10:17:08 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’d prefer tighter background checks on presidential candidates, but that’s obviously racist.


2 posted on 07/25/2012 10:20:27 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
A lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals -- that they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities

I actually don't know a single gun owner who would agree with that statement, you Marxist faggot. Your gun strawman garbage is as stinky as your fly-laden BO.

3 posted on 07/25/2012 10:23:05 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

How does Obama propose to get around the HIPPA laws that dems put in place?

Only Holmes could declare that he was under mental supervision on the NICS Check.
Holmes lied, Holmes committed the crime.


4 posted on 07/25/2012 10:28:25 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

his true colors are shining through.


5 posted on 07/25/2012 10:29:29 PM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So why not background checks before possessing any of these ... you stupid a$$!

6 posted on 07/25/2012 10:30:04 PM PDT by Zakeet (Like Barack said, "We can't be broke cause we still have checks in the checkbook.")
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To: rarestia

I heard some assholes on radio today that want to track our package delivery’s at an FBI level to prevent this BS.


7 posted on 07/25/2012 10:30:39 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Zakeet

Exactly.


8 posted on 07/25/2012 10:31:40 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

My follow up question: to prevent what BS? They gonna track every package weighing more than 10 lb. from CTD’s warehouses? That would require complicity on the part of the shipper, and sites like CTD and AmmunitionStore.com are not going to risk their business to comply unless ordered. At that point, the larynx of gun rights would be crushed under the heel of Obama’s boot.


9 posted on 07/25/2012 10:36:17 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Post of the week! Well done. Have an adult beverage on me.


10 posted on 07/25/2012 10:38:03 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Free ThinkerNY

FUBO!!!


11 posted on 07/25/2012 10:40:17 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Didn’t the Aurora massacre gunman use an AR-15? How can the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth not be briefed on the particulars of a situation? I used to write reports and briefings for two presidents and if I made even a small mistake like misidentifying a weapon used in a major incident, I’d be shunted aside for someone who knew what they were doing. The White House staff is much larger now than when I was a spear carrier, which leads me to think that this was intentional.


12 posted on 07/25/2012 10:42:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Background checks? YES!

Full and complete and unexpurgated and unedited and unsummarized College Transcripts for anyone who wants to be CIC, and in charge of a whole lot of actual "assault weapons"!

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13 posted on 07/25/2012 10:42:50 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I don't get it.

Does that mean that he's saying it is a bad idea to sell untraceable firearms to cartel hitmen now?

This guy is confusing me.

14 posted on 07/25/2012 10:57:36 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Free ThinkerNY
""I believe the majority of gun owners would agree that we should do everything possible to prevent criminals and fugitives from purchasing weapons; that we should check someone's criminal record before they can check out a gun seller; that a mentally unbalanced individual should not be able to get his hands on a gun so easily," he said. "These steps shouldn't be controversial. They should be common sense."

Really? He doesn't know about back ground check laws that are now in place? And how does a reputable gun-seller know if a person is "mentally unbalanced" while going through the waiting period? I guess they should read minds?

If he/she does not have a felony or domestic abuse flag, how would ANYONE know some sicko is going to do this? The man is completely ignorant of the FBI laws and doesn't realize there will always be crazies and that NO ONE will ever see them coming. There is no stopping the crazies...they will always be with us.

Better that ALL we good citizens are armed and ready to take down the crazies. Unfortunately, from what I've read with Holmes' tear gas and/or flash/bang bombs, there was probably no stopping him even if a couple of patrons were armed. It was chaos, confusion, panic, as he sprayed them. Tough for even a SpecOp guy to target with all the smoke. It's just one of those awful things that happen.

Solution: Allow everyone to carry everywhere. That will make the crazies think twice. The Bloomberg gun-grabber types that want to limit self-defense weapons never realize that if the entire US made ALL guns illegal tomorrow there would still be millions of weapons and billions of ammo available to the crazies. They never address the point that it would take a century of more to completely get rid of guns, if ever.

More importantly, they never address the statistics of communities that are armed are less dangerous, and that their wonderful utopian cities of NY, Chicago, Philly, Detroit areas are THE most dangerous cities in the country because the gangsters are using ill-gotten weapons. Has no one ever heard of a black market .38 special or 9mm? Obama and his ilk are beyond stupid. Guns exist and always will no matter what they try. Even if not sold in the USA, the black market will fill the void.

15 posted on 07/25/2012 11:02:02 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Hey hussein, not this gun owner. I do not agree with you.


16 posted on 07/25/2012 11:05:33 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; ...
Re: "A lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals -- that they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities." and "And I, like most Americans, believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual the right to bear arms. And we recognize the traditions of gun ownership that passed on from generation to generation -— that hunting and shooting are part of a cherished national heritage."

The 2nd Amendment says nothing about hunting or sporting guns, it is a direct response for an armed citizenry being a deterrent to a tyrannical government coming to power and using a well regulated militia, i.e. armed force, to enforce its rule against the People, PERIOD.

The 2nd Amendment does not require anyone to own a gun and I do not favor forcing anyone to own one if they are not so inclined. In my lifetime I have seen the most dangerous person owning a gun is someone who does not know how to use it.

However, Liberals like Peter Bogdanovich, Mayor Michael 'Let the Cops Strike for Gun Control' Bloomberg and you, President 'they cling to their guns' Obama, always want to take away my right to own the arms they just don't like.

A gun is just a tool, just like a steak knife, claw hammer or two-ton automobile, all items that can be used to kill human beings. There are no dangerous weapons but their are dangerous people that we need to be armed in order to protect our families and self.

Remember, the Police are not always just outside the window when danger strikes. They are minutes or even hours away and that delay may mean the death of you or your loved ones.

Lastly, Mr. Obama, learn about what you are talking about because your miniscule amount of gun knowledge and bogus liberal talking points only shows your ignorance to gun owners. We are not the simple knuckle dragging morons you claim us to be.

17 posted on 07/25/2012 11:05:50 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Good answer and it is not racist but American! Why didn’t he have this reaction with the muslim Ft. Hood shooter?


18 posted on 07/25/2012 11:06:32 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Reichstag Fire alert.


19 posted on 07/25/2012 11:31:26 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Donate, & walk precincts, not for "Parties", but for individual, principled "Candidates" (& for FR)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I wonder if Obama would be for gun control and tighter regulations if it was imposed on liberals first?

Or on minorities first, you know, just to see if it makes a difference? According to him the 2nd amendment is just to protect hunting rights and minorities and liberals are not usually big on hunting, so why do I suspect it would not go over well among his constituency to try such a thing?

20 posted on 07/25/2012 11:42:55 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Didn’t the Aurora massacre gunman use an AR-15? How can the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth not be briefed on the particulars of a situation?

Yeah...and some idiot pol...either Schumer or Biden wants a ban on high capacity magazines....

...Ha ...the shooter got a 100 capacity magazine that apparently jammed.

21 posted on 07/25/2012 11:49:55 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: rarestia
Considering that outside of pick-up weapons, AK-47s have been the weapon of choice of our enemies more often than our allies, I'd have to say he is advocating arming our enemies on the battlefields...

As far as criminals on our streets go, how about coming clean on Fast and Furious?

That piker should be impeached.

22 posted on 07/26/2012 12:03:07 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The streets of our cities, in many cases, are the battlefields of wars. Gun restrictions will have no bearing on this, and may have even been what caused it to be this way.
23 posted on 07/26/2012 1:15:57 AM PDT by Category Four (Joy, Fun, the Joke Proper, and Flippancy ... Flippancy is the best of all.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Is this guy as stupid as he talks? Brain damage is transitory at this age so that someone who is fine one month is loosing it a few months later. The nuts can't be separated form the killers.
24 posted on 07/26/2012 1:21:34 AM PDT by Domangart
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To: mylife

When you are in the HIPPA system you loose a lot of rights and everyone is notified.


25 posted on 07/26/2012 1:25:10 AM PDT by Domangart
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Exactly what kind of background check would have disqualified Holmes from obtaining the weapons and ammo he used?

He was squeaky clean, and purchased everything over a period of months.


26 posted on 07/26/2012 1:30:08 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Free ThinkerNY

No amount of background checks would have prevented James Holmes, a man studying for his PHD in neurobiology. When he was still at Westview High School in San Diego, Holmes won an internship in neurobiology at the Salk Institute. All these tighter background checks are going to do is make it harder for good, law abiding citizens from owning guns.

This distraction of more gun control is getting sickening and takes us from the real question: Why did James Holmes do it? Is there a political reason like the Ted Kaczynski manifesto that drove Holmes to go into Joker mode? Is Holmes a OWS anarchist wanting to trigger a civil war? I want answers to the central question of motive and not distractions about guns, Hollywood violence, video games and Twinkies.


27 posted on 07/26/2012 1:32:31 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

id check is racist


28 posted on 07/26/2012 3:09:08 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I don’t think this is their Reichstag Fire but alert, but it is certainly suspicious.


29 posted on 07/26/2012 3:21:59 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: papertyger

That was my question as well. It leads directly to what zer0bama really means: to make purchasing any firearm so difficult for any squeaky clean citizen as to effectively remove that right.


30 posted on 07/26/2012 3:34:51 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What does Obama have to point to in the background check system we have now that is flawed?


31 posted on 07/26/2012 3:35:50 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The "background check" is the crux of the problem: first we were sold on the idea that it would be a minor inconvenience and only "felons and drug users and mental defectives" would be prohibited from owning firearms as is already the case. Then our lovely representatives add some more - the domestic violence/restraining order clause was slipped in in the dead of night - then people who had misdemeanors that would be classed as felonies today were added to the list, so the numbers of unqualifed grew. Now the so-called "instant checks" are taking longer and longer and you as a citizen have no right to know what the delay may be or to see your own record or to change or amend anything.

The Left/antigun forces are using the Brady Bill background check system to expand their power to limit firearms and the people who can possess them. When Obama talks about "improving background checks" he isn't talking about making things more efficient - he's talking about looking for more reasons to deny permission for our own rights.

32 posted on 07/26/2012 3:52:38 AM PDT by Chainmail (Warfare is too serious to be left to the amateurs)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Yep.
GREAT POST!
Have another on me!


33 posted on 07/26/2012 3:56:05 AM PDT by spankalib (The downside of liberty is the need to tolerate those who despise it.)
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To: A Navy Vet

And how does a reputable gun-seller know if a person is “mentally unbalanced” while going through the waiting period?


It’s very simple. If they are a registered democrat they are “balanced.” If they are not a democrat they are “not balanced.”

Very simple.


34 posted on 07/26/2012 4:15:26 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

FU sparky... keep your evil hands off my guns.

LLS


35 posted on 07/26/2012 4:37:15 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: papertyger
Exactly what kind of background check would have disqualified Holmes from obtaining the weapons and ammo he used?

He was squeaky clean, and purchased everything over a period of months.

I'm guessing that Barry's handlers want a larger version of what the VA did a few years ago, when the names of servicemen who *voluntarily* sought mental health treatment were dumped into the NICS background check computers.

Odds are, it's already hidden in the Obamacare text.

36 posted on 07/26/2012 4:45:06 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He WAS briefed. He was told by John Brennan, IIRC, at approx 5:30 a.m. Friday, AND, when he flew back to DC, he cancelled all campaign activities and had a pow-wow with his henchman. He is just a narcissistic idiot who doesn’t pay attention unless it involves him, I assume.


37 posted on 07/26/2012 5:23:22 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama 07/22/12: "we all reflect on how we can do something about some of the senseless violence...")
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
The One finally speaks.

We never saw this coming, eh?

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

38 posted on 07/26/2012 5:35:24 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: spokeshave

The picture posted of the AR15 lying on the ground did not show a 100 round magazine. Maybe a 30 round at most.


39 posted on 07/26/2012 5:43:30 AM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: rarestia

The Second Amendment is not to protect deer and duck hunters.

Its to protect the ability of a free people to defend their country against invaders and their rights against government tyranny.


40 posted on 07/26/2012 5:58:01 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"Obama urges tighter background checks on gun buyers after Aurora massacre"

But... If you are a member of a Mexican drug cartel see his man Holder and you'll be dialed in no questions asked.

41 posted on 07/26/2012 6:01:28 AM PDT by Whats-wrong-with-the-truth
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This gun owner doesn’t agree with “sporting purpose” or background checks of any kind. The second amendment was to prevent government tyranny not ensure hunters had access to firearms, so citizens should be able to own any weapon they can afford. Criminals and crazies will always find a way to get guns, all these checks and waiting periods do is incovenience those who play by the rules.


42 posted on 07/26/2012 6:05:40 AM PDT by LambSlave
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Unbelievable article written by a Chicago ‘Lib-une’ Tribune columnist Steve Chapman, who usually follows the lib party line but this time explains very well how more gun laws will not do anything.

Read at:

Note: The Libune requires subscription to read articles but you can avoid it when the page loads just click ‘Print preview’ and scroll down to read. :)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-oped-0726-chapman-20120726,0,7623949.column


43 posted on 07/26/2012 6:12:10 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Free ThinkerNY
that a mentally unbalanced individual should not be able to get his hands on a gun so easily," he said. "These steps shouldn't be controversial. They should be common sense.

In other news, all Tea Party members have been deemed to be "mentally unbalanced". Psychologists are owned by the left. It is one of the places they started, hence, homosexuality is normal and not a disorder.

44 posted on 07/26/2012 6:17:36 AM PDT by RatRipper (Obama, YOU LIE!!! . . .again and again and again and again, ad infinitum. . . .)
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To: Bender2
"i.e. armed force,"

Why do rinos (aka liberals), always see fit to revamp what's written. The second half of the second amendment says, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
No one is arguing that we need a military (aka militia) to protect us from foreign enemies. That is a given and addressed in the first half of the amendment but... "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" is another topic altogether and that right "shall not be infringed."

Notice also that the second amendment does NOT limit the types of arms we as citizens may possess.

Wake up people. We have a tyrant in the White House. His lieutenant Eric Holder is ramping up his domestic "emergency responders" to seize control and to lock us down. Obomba is NOT going to let go of the White House.

Everybody in America that the Constitution says can be armed needs to be armed.

Just sayin.

45 posted on 07/26/2012 6:20:00 AM PDT by Whats-wrong-with-the-truth
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To: obama

I don’t have nor want an AK 47 you lying idiot.


46 posted on 07/26/2012 6:21:00 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Going mobile, posts will be brief. No spellcheck for the grammar nazis.)
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To: RatRipper

July 26, 2012 4:00 A.M.

Colorado Consensus on Gun Laws
Broadly supported post-Columbine reforms balance gun rights and gun control.

By Dave Kopel

Concealed Carry Act

The most important element of the Colorado reforms is the Concealed Carry Act, which became law in 2003. This law strongly protects the right of law-abiding adults to carry handguns for the defense of self and others. Forty other states have similar laws.

The reform has so far thwarted at least one massacre. In December 2007, a man murdered two teenagers at the Youth with a Mission training center in the Denver suburbs. He then drove south to Colorado Springs and attacked the New Life megachurch in Colorado Springs. He killed two people in the parking lot and then entered the building, carrying hundreds of rounds of ammunition. Fortunately, a volunteer security guard for the church, Jeanne Assam, was carrying a licensed handgun, and she quickly shot the attacker. According to Pastor Brady Boyd, “she probably saved over 100 lives.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/312322/colorado-consensus-gun-laws-dave-kopel


47 posted on 07/26/2012 6:30:47 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Free ThinkerNY
He must really think we are stupid... Holmes had ONE speeding ticket on his record and nothing else. There is NOTHING, shy of self admission of intent, that would have raised a red flag.

Then again, Romney's lukewarm, milquetoast response that we don't need new laws kinda overlooks the fact that we have tons of gun laws already on the books that shouldn't be there that create these deadly victim disarmament zones.

A pox on both their Houses...

48 posted on 07/26/2012 6:36:50 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Charles Martel
I'm guessing that Barry's handlers want a larger version of what the VA did a few years ago, when the names of servicemen who *voluntarily* sought mental health treatment were dumped into the NICS background check computers. Odds are, it's already hidden in the Obamacare text.

It's almost certainly either in the ObamaCare text, or will be implemented by Executive Order. That's one big reason why they wanted all medical record-keeping to be digital.

49 posted on 07/26/2012 6:46:01 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"A lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals -- that they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities," the president, who has called for reimposing the Assault Weapons Ban, said in a speech to the National Urban League.

Lost in this is the fact that Holmes used an AR-15, not an AK. The Dems don't like AK's being available to regular folk because they're cheaper than AR-15s. This means that a guy who couldn't afford an AR-15 COULD afford to get an AK and keep it on a closet shelf, along with some ammo, just in case of zombie apocalypse.

50 posted on 07/26/2012 6:53:06 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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