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Obama talks of limiting some gun use in wake of Colorado massacre
FoxNews ^ | July 25, 2012 | FoxNews

Posted on 07/25/2012 8:10:49 PM PDT by Innovative

President Obama has added his voice to the push for limits on Americans' gun use in the wake the massacre last week at a movie theater in Colorado.

Obama, speaking Wednesday evening to the National Urban League, affirmed his belief in Americans' right to own guns, but he singled out assault rifles as better suited for soldiers than civilians.

"I believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual the right to bear arms," Obama said. "But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not on the streets of our cities."

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KEYWORDS: 2012; backoffbarry; banglist; bhofascism; constitution; democrats; elections; guncontrol; gunrights; guns; obama; obamatruthfile; socialistdemocrats; tyranny; waronliberty; youwillnotdisarmus
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To: Innovative
There's gotta be a line in the sand y'all.

Under Romney or Obozo, Uncle Sugar must get control over your right to protect yourself.

It’za comin

101 posted on 07/26/2012 5:35:33 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: sickoflibs

in all fairness, the constitutional law classes that bambam took at indonesia elementary didnt cover the fact that citizens had just finished using battlefield weapons to secure their FReedoms and put meat on the table...


102 posted on 07/26/2012 5:38:51 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bingo, bans are useless because wrong doers will find a way to get weapons regardless.


103 posted on 07/26/2012 5:45:25 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: vmivol00

“Yeah. In his first act he took Romney’s socialized healthcare plan and idea for an auto bailout.

Maybe in the 2nd term, he could use Romney’s assault weapons ban in Mass as a blueprint.”

EXACTLY. And it’s funny how we don’t like Obama for implementing policy copied directly from Mitt Romney... so we’re going to try to replace him... with Mitt Romney.


104 posted on 07/26/2012 5:51:33 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: Innovative

” it must be easier and surer to just cast a vote for Romney, the ONLY reasonable way of ensuring that Obama won’t get another unconstrained 4 years to destroy the country as we know it.”

You know what the difference between Obama and Romney are?
Romney actually DID ban assault weapons. Obama’s just threatening to.

But if there’s an R next to his name that makes it ok I guess...


105 posted on 07/26/2012 5:58:57 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: stranger and pilgrim

“The president, however, suggested Wednesday that it “shouldn’t be controversial” to make the case that a “mentally unbalanced” person shouldn’t be able to get a gun so easily.” So, is Obama prepared to suggest that we make people’s mental health history a public record? So, I (an FFL) will be able to check to see if my gun customer has ever been treated by a psychologist and that will be grounds for denying them their 2nd Amendment civil liberties?


I would like to know why once having accepted psychiatric treatment should be a bars against ever owning a weapon. I think that’s is one reason returning soldiers don’t seeking help. To do so means the forfeiture of a precious right.

I wouldn’t considered getting help under that threat.


106 posted on 07/26/2012 6:05:20 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: Innovative

In the near future identical acting events will likely occur, a shooter pulls out a phaser inside a packed 3-d virtual reality theater vaporizing hundreds, politicians scramble to limit the use of phasers only for the space military peacekeepers.

So Earth’s population must revert back to the antiquated gas propellant cased bullets,

Earth is invaded by an alien species whose own planetary diet consists of human-burgers. In time planet Earth becomes nothing more than a galactic fast food stop for aliens consuming people nuggets.

Moral of the story, get the most advanced weapon possible, when the time arises USE that weapon to get a better one.


107 posted on 07/26/2012 6:09:14 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Going mobile, posts will be brief. No spellcheck for the grammar nazis.)
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To: Innovative
Obama on gun control?

Mr. Executive Priviledge on Fast and Furious wants to talk about gun control?

OK. Drop the EP and by all means, let's talk about gun control as headed by the DOJ and the White Hut.

108 posted on 07/26/2012 6:16:11 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If a volunteer soldier uses his weapon, that citizen would be “Zimmered” by his own gubment, media, and lynched by a crowd of drug dealers while Katie Couric squealed in delight.


109 posted on 07/26/2012 6:17:18 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: SkyDancer
This moron just like the rest of the Lib’s don’t realize that it’s the illegal guns in the hands of street hoods that are doing all the killing.

That's incorrect. They DO realize it. They're OK with street hoods having guns, as long as the hoods stick to killing each other, or the occasional non-Elite middle-class person.

They are against the middle-class being armed, because that makes the middle-class harder to intimidate into going along with socialism. When your main argument is "We need to pass this program to avoid street violence", the one thing the Dems don't want to hear is "We don't care. Bring it, MoFo's"

110 posted on 07/26/2012 6:20:42 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: vmivol00
Maybe in the 2nd term, he could use Romney’s assault weapons ban in Mass as a blueprint.

I have said the same many times; that Romney signed a permanent AWB.

I was wrong!
You are wrong.

I am ashamed to say I got fooled by this narrative, but finally found this article by Jim Wallace of GOAL, the Mass. gun-owners rights lobby. This is the same lobby that stopped dead in its tracks the effort to ban all handguns in Mass. They are trustworthy.

I feel a little sheepish letting myself be fooled like that and hope to save others that feeling. P.
111 posted on 07/26/2012 6:28:41 AM PDT by Peet (Everything has an end -- only the sausage has two.)
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To: avenir

Exactly. The second amendment isnt for enthusiasts or hunters. It is to stop authorities who come to confiscate our large sodas. And no true American would have an AK-47, the communist weapon of choice.


112 posted on 07/26/2012 6:30:08 AM PDT by StevieRay20
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To: libdestroyer

Are you saying that Romney is worse than Obama and we should just reelect Obama? THAT is the point of your post.

Are you starting a “FReepers and Conservatives for Obama” group?


113 posted on 07/26/2012 6:33:45 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: libdestroyer

You know what the difference between Obama and Romney are?
Romney actually DID ban assault weapons. Obama’s just threatening to.


Wrong.

See post #111


114 posted on 07/26/2012 6:39:06 AM PDT by Peet (Everything has an end -- only the sausage has two.)
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To: DariusBane

With the virtually certain ouster of Obama this fall, the present Zimmering has got to fail, and fail publicly. Nothing less is a vindication of sanity.


115 posted on 07/26/2012 6:41:38 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Peet

Thank you for pointing out the facts and not let people just swallow liberal lies against Romney.


116 posted on 07/26/2012 6:41:38 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: stranger and pilgrim
Obama just gave the NRA a great ad/mailer. And another reason he will lose in Nov.
117 posted on 07/26/2012 6:43:45 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Sola Veritas
The Aurora shooter carried an AR-15.

Does any military in the world buy, or even consider this weapon to meet their specifications for a military assault rifle?

118 posted on 07/26/2012 6:50:14 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
0bama just gave the NRA a great ad/mailer

I just re-upped with the NRA today. Finally took the Life Memberhip this time. With any luck they will stop pestering me for early renewal. ;-)

To the anti-NRA crowd: the NRA may not be as ideologically "pure" as YourFavoriteLittleGunGroup, but they are the most influential. They can actually get pro-gun people elected and get laws changed. We can argue about the details after gun control has been a dead letter for a few generations.

119 posted on 07/26/2012 7:14:00 AM PDT by jboot (OPSEC. It's a killjoy, but it may save your life someday.)
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To: Innovative

“Show the usher your CCW and get a front row seat!”.


120 posted on 07/26/2012 7:17:41 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Innovative

Thank you for pointing out the facts and not let people just swallow liberal lies against Romney.


I did it (and will continue to) as penance for spreading those very liberal lies I was fooled into believing.

Thank you and you’re welcome


121 posted on 07/26/2012 7:44:49 AM PDT by Peet (Everything has an end -- only the sausage has two.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

IIRC, I saw a news report of a 6-7 year old boy suspended for drawing a stick figure like that.


122 posted on 07/26/2012 7:47:19 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: LibLieSlayer
Just to remind you and everone else. Bush would have signed a new "assault weapon" ban if it would have made it to his desk. The only thing that stopped this was a somewhat conservative Congress and an outcry from the people.

The same thing that would prevent Romney pushing for gun control. I don't know if this will stop the big eared Kenyan.

During his speach to the urban league, he said he couldn't get Congress to act so his administration did some things on their own. Was he admitting to fast and furious?

123 posted on 07/26/2012 8:14:51 AM PDT by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: sickoflibs; Innovative; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; ...

” “I believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual the right to bear arms,” Obama said. “But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not on the streets of our cities.””

The Second Amendment doesn’t have a addendum that says it cares what you BELIEVE Obama. STFU!!


124 posted on 07/26/2012 8:40:03 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: tacticalogic

“The Aurora shooter carried an AR-15. Does any military in the world buy, or even consider this weapon to meet their specifications for a military assault rifle?”

Yes, the AR-15 is just a civilian designation for our M-16 series of rifles (probably very similiar to the M16A2). The only main diffence is that the civilian version will only fire in semi-auto mode.

Therefore, the AR-15 is a military grade weapon and specifically protected by the 2nd Ammendment under the term “Arms” as it was intended.

The founders were very suspicious of standing “regulars” and prefered an armed citizenry that could be called upon for militia duty. Even though, for the most part, we have lost our distrust in “regulars”, the 2nd Ammendment still stands and cannot just be conveinently ignored by revisionists. IF they want to take away “assault rifles” from civilians, then it would, IMO, require the repeal of the 2nd. That is not going to happen. Should that day come it were repealed, that would be the total end of America.

For as the bumper sticker reads:

“An armed man is a citizen, while an unarmed one is a subject.”


125 posted on 07/26/2012 8:42:23 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Innovative

Obama taught me that AK47s belong on Mexican streets so he can push his gun control agenda here......


126 posted on 07/26/2012 8:49:58 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Sola Veritas
Does any military in the world buy assault rifles speced to fire only in semi-auto mode?

I understand the differences. My question is whether the limitation of only firing semi-auto would disqualify it from consideration as an acceptable assault rifle for military use in actual practice. Does any army in the world send their soldiers out into the field armed with these rifles as their main battle weapon?

127 posted on 07/26/2012 8:50:10 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; Pan_Yans Wife
RE “But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not on the streets of our cities.””(Obama) ............
The Second Amendment doesn’t have a addendum that says it cares what you BELIEVE Obama. STFU!!

You apparently missed the ‘Obama Bill of Rights’
1) Food stamps
2) Obama-care
3) College, training for a gubment job
4) Abortion and contraceptives free naturally
5) Tax cuts up until his re-election, then tax increases
6) tax credits without paying taxes
7) Social Security entitlement without paying FICA

Your racist Second Amendment droppped off the list because they ran out of room :) Have you consulted the "wise latino' on this matter?

128 posted on 07/26/2012 8:53:09 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obam-ney Care ))
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To: tacticalogic

Yes, some countries did, and they actually lasted into the 1990s in some countries.

Many countries that issued 7.62 NATO battle rifles (the FAL, L1A1 etc.) issued them in semiauto-only mode, both to fit with their existing fire discipline tactics, and because a 7.62 NATO rifle in “burp” mode proved to be less than desirable. Granted, there were often unofficial tricks among the troops to put them in “go-fast mode”, but they were still issued and deployed as semiauto rifles.


129 posted on 07/26/2012 8:57:23 AM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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We must limit Comrade Opansy’s use of his NAZI Socialist mouth and his use of his Commie press pimps this November -

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130 posted on 07/26/2012 9:05:32 AM PDT by devolve (-------------- ------- no servers - no intelligence ----------- ---------------------)
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To: M1903A1
I understood the classic definition of "assault rifle" being a rifle designed to use smaller caliber rounds (resulting in higher capacity mags) and be able to fire full-auto. The theory being that smaller caliber rounds were more likely to maim than kill, and the higher capacity mags made full-auto fire practical. If you kill an enemy soldier, he can't fight any more, but he'll just get left behind. If you seriously injure him he still can't fight any more, but neither can the guy that's going to have to carry him.

Larger caliber rifles resulted in lower capacity mags, making full-auto use impractical. The larger caliber round was designed to kill, and semi-auto encouraged making every shot count.

131 posted on 07/26/2012 9:10:30 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Innovative

Prez bo wants the leftist aka progressive gun hater vote!


132 posted on 07/26/2012 9:12:14 AM PDT by DMG2FUN
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To: metalurgist
Yes obama was alluding to F&F and other evils.

Bush's love of an Assault Weapons Ban, Amnesty and BIG government spending were some of the reasons that I turned my back on Bush and consider him to be a progressive. He also was responsible for sweeping the dims into power in 2006 and then obama in 2008. After working for him during both elections and donating to him in the maximum allowable amounts... I no longer will support progressives of any party.

LLS

133 posted on 07/26/2012 9:27:34 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; Pan_Yans Wife

” You apparently missed the ‘Obama Bill of Rights’
1) Food stamps
2) Obama-care
3) College, training for a gubment job
4) Abortion and contraceptives free naturally
5) Tax cuts up until his re-election, then tax increases
6) tax credits without paying taxes
7) Social Security entitlement without paying FICA”

All in just a couple of years...


134 posted on 07/26/2012 9:40:43 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

” Bush’s love of an Assault Weapons Ban, Amnesty and BIG government spending were some of the reasons that I turned my back on Bush and consider him to be a progressive.”

Unfortunately, the list is much longer, and equally deadly.


135 posted on 07/26/2012 9:43:22 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Can't we all just get along, and you folks give me another chance...
136 posted on 07/26/2012 9:57:17 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I listed just “some” of my disappointments in him.

LLS


137 posted on 07/26/2012 9:58:27 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I hope you are right. My faith in the sanity of my fellow man, and this world is slipping fast. Virtually everyone I know goes to the doctor at least every other week, and is on mood altering drugs and/or Ambian.

My wife and three kids are weird outliers in that non of us has seen a doctor since around 2005. The 2005 issue was for stitches but I think I I will stock up on super glue so we don’t get profiled and reported to the gubment for something.

My point being that voters are NOT sane. They are nuts on drugs, either prescribed or bought in an alley.


138 posted on 07/26/2012 10:01:27 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; Pan_Yans Wife

I forgot: “8) Same-sex marriage and wearing military uniforms at gay pride marches., 9)voting without an ID”


139 posted on 07/26/2012 10:13:07 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obam-ney Care ))
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To: DariusBane

Get some “butterfly closures” which are like super tape that closes small gashes. Normal super glue isn’t the best for bandaging purposes as it gives off toxic methyl chemicals (formaldehyde) as it cures. A safer ethacrylic medical grade version can be had at, of all places, Dollar Tree, in little single use tubes, two for a buck.


140 posted on 07/26/2012 10:37:04 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: tacticalogic

“My question is whether the limitation of only firing semi-auto would disqualify it from consideration as an acceptable assault rifle for military use in actual practice.”

My, non-expert, answer would be no. Being semi-auto only would not render a weapon useless for military use. It fact, it may actually make it more effective for the common soldier. The M16A2 is not trully a “full-auto.” In that mode the weapon will only fire a three round burst. The Army did this because “full auto” causes a lot of ammunition to be waisted. Plus, the weapon rapidly overheats on true full auto. When I originally was trained by the Army on the M16A1 (Vietnam era version), we had true “full auto.” I have been on a range and attempted to use the M16A1 in full auto. Didn’t work well, and the weapon overheated on me. I decided then, I would only use semi-auto if the situation called for me to bear military arms. Never happened during my time, and the Army has since gone to the M16A2 and other variants like the M4. I just checked with some Active Army folks and they tell me even the M4 is only “three round burst” on “full-auto.” I have heard the Marines have a version of the M16 that is a true full-auto.

I am NOT an expert on this.

I don’t understand why you are asking the question? What is your point?


141 posted on 07/26/2012 10:45:00 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas

It seems to me the terms “assault weapon” and “assault rifle” have been horribly abused. They say assault rifles are military weapons, but then describe weapons as “assault rifles” that seem to be dubious choices for something that would be considered a good candidate for a military battle weapon.


142 posted on 07/26/2012 10:58:40 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: DoughtyOne

LOL!


143 posted on 07/26/2012 12:00:09 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; Pan_Yans Wife

“I forgot: “8) Same-sex marriage and wearing military uniforms at gay pride marches., 9)voting without an ID””

Yeah...yeah.....okay....pile it on : )


144 posted on 07/26/2012 12:04:24 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Actually, the patriots had muzzle loading rifles which were superior to the smooth bore muskets the British Regulars employed. In that context the common man had weaponry superior to that of the government.

And I see nothing wrong with that.


145 posted on 07/26/2012 12:41:17 PM PDT by MeganC (The Cinemark theatre in Aurora, CO is a 'Gun Free Zone'. Spread the word.)
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To: Sola Veritas

They put full auto back in the latest adopted versions of both the M-16 (A4) and M4 (A1) and removed the 3 round burst function. However, the version of the M-16A4 bought by the government is 3round burst for most units. The M-16A3 was also full auto, no burst. So our military’s gone back and forth on this.


146 posted on 07/26/2012 12:41:52 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: musicman

Yes, but there have been more than one events. Some were suspended for pointing fingers at each other and the thumb going down.

Stuff we did all the time as kids. Didn’t harm us one damn bit. Some of us had cap pistols for play. Didn’t make us go and find dad’s gun and shoot a bunch of people. Adults and parents weren’t freaked out about such play.

It is so nanny state freaking ridiculous. I really blame it on primary schools doing their best to get men (solid male role models) out of teaching, and administration, in those primary schools, particularly elementary schools. REAL MEN. Not homos and perverts. Feminization of schools are the reason why dodge ball is not played, kickball the way we played it (like baseball) is not played anymore, because it’s not fair some kids do better than others. They don’t do running races for time anymore. Nothing competitive at all. (The kids still know who’s better and who wins, regardless, they aren’t stupid and we weren’t then either.)

That’s what the female gym teacher in my old elementary school said when I stopped by mid afternoon a few years ago.
When I went there 32+ years ago all grades had a male gym teacher who was great, and we did dodge ball - loved those gym periods with dodge ball - and kickball, and some obstacle course stuff, and races - timed - and even as a runt (year ahead) who wasn’t great, evne then I could still hit people out or catch a ball, or deflect it if I was holding a ball already.


147 posted on 07/26/2012 12:51:15 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

;^)


148 posted on 07/26/2012 1:26:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: tacticalogic

“It seems to me the terms “assault weapon” and “assault rifle” have been horribly abused. They say assault rifles are military weapons, but then describe weapons as “assault rifles” that seem to be dubious choices for something that would be considered a good candidate for a military battle weapon.”

Oh, I fully agree. It is just a “buzzword” used to paint a negative picture of something. The term “assault” is dubious at best.


149 posted on 07/26/2012 1:47:58 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Spktyr

“They put full auto back in the latest adopted versions of both the M-16 (A4) and M4 (A1) and removed the 3 round burst function. However, the version of the M-16A4 bought by the government is 3round burst for most units. The M-16A3 was also full auto, no burst. So our military’s gone back and forth on this.”

Yes, they have. The M16A3 was only adopted by the Navy. I “thought” the Marines M-16A4 was full auto, but it is only 3 round burst. The M4A1 is full auto, but it is only issued to highly trained special forces like Rangers, Delta, etc. It takes a very well trained individual to use these light firearms in full auto. General purpose forces are being issued just the 3 round burst capable weapons. This makes sense to me....too many rounds flying unaimed. Besides, most squads will have a light machine gun issued to one in the squad (the M249 SAW in 5.56 Nato). At platoons they have medium machine guns (the M250 in 7.62 Nato).


150 posted on 07/26/2012 2:02:29 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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