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EXCLUSIVE: Movie massacre suspect sent chilling notebook to psychiatrist before attack
foxnews.com ^ | 7/25/12 | Jana Winter

Posted on 07/25/2012 9:30:30 AM PDT by ColdOne

AURORA, Colo. – James Holmes, the accused gunman in last Friday's midnight movie massacre in Colorado, mailed a notebook "full of details about how he was going to kill people" to a University of Colorado psychiatrist before the attack, but the parcel sat unopened in a mailroom for as long as a week before its discovery Monday, a law enforcement source told FoxNews.com.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: aurora; fairytail; governmentlies; holmes; jamesholmes; nonsense; psychiatry
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1 posted on 07/25/2012 9:30:35 AM PDT by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne
.... sat unopened in a mailroom for as long as a week before its discovery Monday, a law enforcement source told FoxNews.com.

How convenient for the psychiatrist and the University of Colorado.

2 posted on 07/25/2012 9:33:27 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ColdOne

Union mail clerk was too busy smoking weed on his mandated break to do his job.


3 posted on 07/25/2012 9:34:11 AM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: shibumi

ping


4 posted on 07/25/2012 9:35:05 AM PDT by Salamander (I laugh to myself at the men and the ladies who never conceived of us billion dollar babies.)
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To: ColdOne

Guns don’t kill people, slow union postal mailrooms do.


5 posted on 07/25/2012 9:35:58 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: ColdOne

Could have been worse, if it went to the feds it might have been a year.


6 posted on 07/25/2012 9:38:34 AM PDT by W.Lee (No compromise)
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To: ColdOne

This doesn’t make sense to me. He forewarned someone.He would have been detained


7 posted on 07/25/2012 9:40:48 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: ColdOne

Good thing he did not mail it to Eric Holder. It would never have been “found”.


8 posted on 07/25/2012 9:43:15 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: ColdOne
he switched to a .40 Glock pistol and a .223 Smith & Wesson M&P semi-automatic with a high-capacity drum clip

OMG where to begin? A Smith and Wesson M&P semi-automatic WHAT? I have visions of a .40 caliber pistol with a drum magazine.

It's a MAGAZINE! NOT A CLIP! Good God you'd think they'd have a handle on the terminology by now.

And the drum mag controversy is false. All pictures shown in the media from the scene show an AR15 with a standard 20-rd magazine. There were no drum magazines found at the scene.

How does this pass for even marginal journalism? I know 8-year-old bloggers who have a better grasp on gun terminology.

9 posted on 07/25/2012 9:43:15 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: ColdOne
James Holmes, the accused gunman

Golly, they're still not sure if he did it?

Doncha' just love the way these legalisms strangle us everyday. Guess they're still not sure if he had the weapon, nor if he was the one who actually used it.

Whom else do they have as a suspect?

10 posted on 07/25/2012 9:44:37 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: ColdOne

Why would a harmless package be considered suspicious ??? That makes no sense. Betting this Prof knows a lot more than WE will ever know. Did this Professor get a phone call from Holmes? Was he “treating” “experimenting” with Holmes?? Is there “Hypnotism” involved?? Psycotic drugs?


11 posted on 07/25/2012 9:45:39 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: rarestia
I have visions of a .40 caliber pistol with a drum magazine.

That would be awesome.

12 posted on 07/25/2012 9:46:48 AM PDT by agere_contra (Vote ABO. Don't choose the Greater Evil and then boast about how principled you are)
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To: ColdOne

Government employee.


13 posted on 07/25/2012 9:47:36 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: rarestia
And the drum mag controversy is false. All pictures shown in the media from the scene show an AR15 with a standard 20-rd magazine. There were no drum magazines found at the scene.

I believe the drum magazine was still in the theater. At least that's what I read. He then tried the smaller magazine (the one you see in the pictures of the scene near his car) but couldn't use it b/c the drum magazine had caused the gun to jam.

14 posted on 07/25/2012 9:48:46 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: Gaffer
It's summer session, maybe. It could be that most professors and other staff are out for the summer break.
15 posted on 07/25/2012 9:48:56 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: RummyChick

It wasn’t opened yet.


16 posted on 07/25/2012 9:49:25 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: agere_contra

Awesome but completely unwieldy.

I’m behind the corporate firewall today, can anyone tell me if there’s even an AR-variant made by S&W under the M&P product name? I highly doubt it, leading me to believe that the person from whom Fox got their information was a completely ignorant moron either from the back office staff of the police department or some drunk homeless guy who lived in the dumpster behind the theater.


17 posted on 07/25/2012 9:50:14 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
. All pictures shown in the media from the scene show an AR15 with a standard 20-rd magazine

You know I was mentioning that to the wife last knight, the photo with the AR laying out side the exit door showed a standard mag.
I can't find that pic anywhere , do you have a link???

18 posted on 07/25/2012 9:50:20 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Gaffer; Salamander; humblegunner
"How convenient for the psychiatrist and the University of Colorado."

Yeah. A cynical person might say something like "Gee! I wonder if the shrink re-wrapped the package after the fact to cover up his prior knowledge of the danger."

I don't know who that cynical person might be, mind you.
19 posted on 07/25/2012 9:51:52 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Building 500 is the former Fitzsimons Army Hospital


20 posted on 07/25/2012 9:52:03 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: ColdOne
Shades of the Rose Law Firm.

"Oh no, we didn't even see that until afterwards, such a tragic thing." /s

21 posted on 07/25/2012 9:54:06 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Robe

“last knight”

lol

(forgive me, I needed a chuckle today)


22 posted on 07/25/2012 9:55:02 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: justice14

Not the point.

Think about what I am saying.


23 posted on 07/25/2012 9:55:53 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: laweeks

***Doncha’ just love the way these legalisms strangle us everyday.***

I remember when George Wallace was shot by Arthur Bremer. The whole thing was caught on film but he was still the “alleged” shooter till after the trial.

I don’t remember if Jack Ruby was also referred to as the “alleged” shooter of Lee Harvey Oswald, or if Oswald was referred to as the “alleged” shooter of John Kennedy.


24 posted on 07/25/2012 9:55:57 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Flightdeck

Have you ever been around campus in the summer?

Things move real slow or not at all, LOL.


25 posted on 07/25/2012 9:56:45 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: shibumi

Well, I’m sitting here wondering why an individual in a PhD program for Neuroscience would be keeping a logbook of his own psychiatric state. A logbook implies several things. One would be that others were aware of his mental state. Another would be that others were interested in his mental state. Given the nature of the program, that can lead in a direction that the university would prefer not to be pursued.


26 posted on 07/25/2012 9:57:49 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Sacajaweau

“”Why would a harmless package be considered suspicious ??? That makes no sense. Betting this Prof knows a lot more than WE will ever know. Did this Professor get a phone call from Holmes? Was he “treating” “experimenting” with Holmes?? Is there “Hypnotism” involved?? Psycotic drugs?””


I agree with your suspicions.

Why were the cops called to look at a suspicious package and then by accident find another one with Holmes return address?

Did the psychiatrist return the Holmes package to the mailroom after it had been delivered to him on the 13th?

How many times did Holmes meet with this shrink?


27 posted on 07/25/2012 9:57:49 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: RummyChick

I’m sorry. It’s been a long day. I’m not seeing where you are going with the comment. Was it sarcasm?


28 posted on 07/25/2012 9:59:10 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: rarestia

Yes, there is. S&W has been manufacturing them for several years.


29 posted on 07/25/2012 9:59:30 AM PDT by Mr Fuji
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To: shibumi

If you take the road that it had been opened and reviewed by at least one person - it lends more credence to the idea that something was going on- such as experimentation.

If you take the road that it hadn’t been opened - it makes no sense that this would have been sent at least a week before the events - because something should have been done about it. There is a duty if there is a threat. So why would he give a warning before the events when it could have stopped him.


30 posted on 07/25/2012 9:59:55 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: ColdOne

I posted in the live thread of the massacre that the Perp probably had a ‘manifesto’ somewhere.

Usually, ‘smart’ people who commit these kinds of atrocities also write manifestos.


31 posted on 07/25/2012 10:00:57 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: shibumi

An even more cynical person might question the post mark and the reality of it even being there until after the fact.


32 posted on 07/25/2012 10:01:10 AM PDT by Salamander (I laugh to myself at the men and the ladies who never conceived of us billion dollar babies.)
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To: rarestia

Had it not been for his guns, he would have used a bomb. That would have killed hundreds.

BTW - There is a S&W M&P 15. Their version of a AR 15. Never saw on up close though.


33 posted on 07/25/2012 10:02:47 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: Robe

This is the most common. There are a few closer shots, and I'm still looking for them.

It's very obvious from this angle that AR is using a standard magazine and NOT a drum.

34 posted on 07/25/2012 10:02:58 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: shibumi

I am VERY familiar with how Universities work - what their mindset is. I’m not saying anyone received this before the actual act, but I can tell you, if it had, the very first people that would have been alerted besides the President of the University, etc. would have been the University Lawyers.


35 posted on 07/25/2012 10:03:53 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: RegulatorCountry

I suspect not just the University.

His family is connected. Did they know about the experimentation? Would you want your child experimented on in a such a way? So maybe they didn’t know.

Unabomber was experimented on by a top level Harvard Professor who had worked with the OSS.

I know a lot of people think this is just a case of adult shizophrenia.

I think there is more to it. I think he was a subject.


36 posted on 07/25/2012 10:04:45 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: rarestia
with a high-capacity drum clip

Found `em.

Darned if I can figure out what the heck they have to do with firearms...

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37 posted on 07/25/2012 10:05:09 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: SMARTY

That’s a good excuse....let’s go with that...


38 posted on 07/25/2012 10:05:43 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: rarestia
It's very obvious from this angle that AR is using a standard magazine and NOT a drum

I read it was discarded in the theater. He put the magazine in the picture in the gun, but since it was jammed, it was a no-go.

39 posted on 07/25/2012 10:06:13 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: rarestia

I’d had the impression that parking by this emergency exit would have attracted attention. That’s his car, that white Hyundai Tiburon. Parked legally. Could’ve sat there for hours unnoticed.

And look at all the blood on the sidewalk. Sickening.


40 posted on 07/25/2012 10:06:13 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: ColdOne
I wonder if anything sent to the psychiatrist would be inadmissible in court if Holmes was a patient?
41 posted on 07/25/2012 10:06:19 AM PDT by THE_RAIDER
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To: RummyChick

If he was being treated (or experimented on), it bolsters an insanity defense.


42 posted on 07/25/2012 10:06:56 AM PDT by Palmetto Patriot (How much better off would we be if these bastards would just leave us alone?)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
Someone said the one with Holmes return address was shrink wrapped. If that's the case....forensics should turn up something to chew on if the "shrink" tampered with it.

I'm thinking terrible things....like this kid was manipulated...the mental equivalent of making Frankenstein.

Hope they drug tested him as soon as he was arrested.

43 posted on 07/25/2012 10:07:10 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: justice14

I’m at a loss as to how that’s even remotely practical. A fully-loaded drum mag (100 rd) is going to weigh somewhere north of 50 lb. Without at least a monopod, it would require 2 hands to shoot. By all accounts, he came in, fired the shotgun in the air, then fired it into the crowd. Then switched to the pistol. The ended with the rifle? Is that what everyone else is reading?

I can’t see or understand how or why he would fire the shotgun, discard it, then switch between the rifle and the pistol. The recoil from one-armed shooting would be enough to break someone’s wrist.


44 posted on 07/25/2012 10:08:28 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Sacajaweau

I’d say yes to all of the above. My first response to this incident, posted on the morning after, was that he looked as if he was in a state of post hypnotism.


45 posted on 07/25/2012 10:08:34 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: RummyChick

Yeah, I think this event could’ve been avoided had someone listened to his cries for attention. He sounds like a reclusive, anti-social loner that couldn’t land a date to save his life, and wanted to take it out on others.


46 posted on 07/25/2012 10:09:05 AM PDT by AmericanSamurai
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To: laweeks

I get your point, but in America, he is still innocent until proven guilty.

I have no problem imagining a scenario in which the government pins a horrible crime on an innocent person in order to advance a political agenda (in this case, gun control).

The UN is about to impose international gun control provisions on the world, and Obama and Hillary support it. They will use this massacre to their advantage.

For the record, I don’t believe that the government had anything to do with the Aurora shooting. It seems clear that James Holmes is mentally ill and acted alone.

But his 6th Amendment rights are to be honored and respected.


47 posted on 07/25/2012 10:09:51 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: Gaffer

“I am VERY familiar with how Universities work - what their mindset is. I’m not saying anyone received this before the actual act, but I can tell you, if it had, the very first people that would have been alerted besides the President of the University, etc. would have been the University Lawyers.”

And if you were working with DARPA or some other intelligence agency what would you do?

Psychiastrists may not have a duty to warn in Colorado

http://www.jaapl.org/content/39/3/430.full


48 posted on 07/25/2012 10:10:03 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Dutch Boy
Had it not been for his guns, he would have used a bomb. That would have killed hundreds.

I never heard a report of the occupancy number of the apartment building where the perp lived. But, it is a 3-story building. Per police reports, had the explosives in his apartment gone off, they would probably have demolished the entire building. Considering the time of night, such as explosion could have resulted in a higher death toll than the shooting at the theater.
49 posted on 07/25/2012 10:12:34 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: RummyChick

I agree!!!!!
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I know a lot of people think this is just a case of adult shizophrenia.
I think there is more to it. I think he was a subject.


50 posted on 07/25/2012 10:12:48 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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