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Analysis: Why gun controls are off the agenda in America
CNN World ^ | 7-23-2012 | Jonathan Mann

Posted on 07/23/2012 7:54:47 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot

What is it about Americans and guns? ...

"I can tell you that I don't think there's any other developed country in the world that has remotely the problem we have," New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said after the shooting rampage in Colorado.

There are an estimated 270 million guns in the hands of civilians in the United States, making Americans the most heavily armed people in the world per capita. Yemen, ..., comes in a distant second.

From Washington to the well-stocked shelves of Walmart stores nationwide, guns are regarded in the United States as a commonplace if controversial consumer item for millions of law-abiding hunters, collectors and citizens concerned about their safety. They are also in the hands of thousands of killers too; a Washington-based anti-gun lobby says those guns shoot more than 100,000 people a year. In 2010, there were more than 30,000 deaths caused by firearms when the number of homicides, suicides and accidental deaths are tallied.

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CNN and Gallup surveys going back years suggest that Americans are split between those who approve of current gun-control laws and respondents who would like to see them made more restrictive. Americans who'd like no controls at all are a small minority.

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America is not unique. Norwegians are marking the first anniversary of a shooting massacre that took the lives of 69 people at a summer camp outside of Oslo. Eight more people were that day killed by a bomb in the Norwegian capital itself. The confessed killer is awaiting the verdict of his trial.

But America seems to be the place the whole world thinks of when apparently ordinary people use guns for grotesque acts of violence. America stands alone in its historic and cultural attachment to guns. America stands armed.

(Excerpt) Read more at edition.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: america; banglist; guns
The rest of the world simply don't understand WHY Americans Love Our Guns.
1 posted on 07/23/2012 7:54:52 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot

The CNN and Gallop polls quoted is standard leftist agenda on how to frame the question.

Some form of gun control, (um ok, id/criminal background check.) Versus No control at all.

What would be your answer?


2 posted on 07/23/2012 7:59:26 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

What is it about Americans and their guns ?

If you even have to ask this question, Mr. Mayor, (or anybody else) you have absolutely no idea about how America works.


3 posted on 07/23/2012 8:06:18 PM PDT by onona (loving butter pecan)
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To: Sir Napsalot

I’d opt for zip....no controls whatsoever. Let society take care of any trash who use a gun to commit a crime. The more guns, the less crime....and that is WELL documented. There will always be bad guys with guns, and they couldn’t care less about gun controls, gun laws, gun restrictions, yada yada, ad nauseum.


4 posted on 07/23/2012 8:06:37 PM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Bloomberg would be much happier just giving up on America. We will never become his little toadies and think his thoughts and do his bidding.

I recommend that he move to Lagos, Nigeria. They could use his money.

5 posted on 07/23/2012 8:07:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sir Napsalot

Hey Bloomers! One word. FREEEEEEDOM! Google it you moron!


6 posted on 07/23/2012 8:07:58 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Without the Second Amendment, the other twenty-six will cease to exist.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.


7 posted on 07/23/2012 8:11:13 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Sir Napsalot

>>> There are an estimated 270 million guns in the hands of civilians in the United States, making Americans the most heavily armed people in the world per capita.

They (the author) say it like this is really a bad thing.


8 posted on 07/23/2012 8:11:35 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

“What would be your answer?”

My answer is that gun control is an intellectual fraud. It defies logic, cannot be supported by actual facts, and the only people who are interested creating such measures are people who want to see some European nanny-state style government in the US, or worse, which makes their motives automatically un-American and their actions treasonous.


9 posted on 07/23/2012 8:12:00 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

My answer. No federal gun control laws, limits or restrictions on arms or ammunition whatsoever.

The Second Amendment is clear on the matter.

Once the private ownership of crew served weapons become common, maybe we’ll eventually revisit the matter.


10 posted on 07/23/2012 8:19:39 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (With (R)epublicans like these, who needs (D)emocrats?)
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To: Sir Napsalot
I am 100 % in favor of gun control. TWO HANDS!
11 posted on 07/23/2012 8:20:36 PM PDT by navyblue (<u>)
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To: Sir Napsalot

It IS a BAD thing;millions of people obviously have no guns at all.


12 posted on 07/23/2012 8:21:46 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Why is gun control the only fundamental right to be repeatedly threatened and maligned? You do not hear anyone advocating the repeal of women’s suffrage, or wanting to reinstate slavery, why is the 2nd Amendement the exception?


13 posted on 07/23/2012 8:25:04 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Giving up my guns wouldn't make anyone safer, other than perhaps someone wanting to do harm to my family or me.

I imagine the same is true for the tens of millions of other lawful gun owners.

Leftists must be pretty damn stupid not to understand that.

14 posted on 07/23/2012 8:33:09 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: BurningOak
Why is gun control the only fundamental right to be repeatedly threatened and maligned? You do not hear anyone advocating the repeal of women’s suffrage, or wanting to reinstate slavery, why is the 2nd Amendement the exception?

Because of all the grand words and high ideals of the Constitution, the 2ND Amendment is the only part of the document that reminds the federal government, as well as the citizens, that the people will not be deprived of the means to protect the rest.

Remove those 27 words and the remainder is absolutely nothing.
15 posted on 07/23/2012 8:33:36 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (With (R)epublicans like these, who needs (D)emocrats?)
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To: umgud

16 posted on 07/23/2012 8:35:13 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: BurningOak

We need to focus on the cause of these murders— HOLLYWOOD! It was Hollywood with it’s evil filth that incited this lunatic and it is Hollywood that must PAY!!


17 posted on 07/23/2012 8:49:24 PM PDT by marygonzo
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To: Sir Napsalot

” those guns shoot more than 100,000 people a year. “

Oh yeah, right. Sounds like someone just made up a nice, large, round number.

Outside of Detroit, DC, New Orleans etc... gun crime is relatively low.


18 posted on 07/23/2012 8:55:42 PM PDT by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
Back in the time of the Revolution it was common for private individuals to own and use cannon that could fire anywhere from 32 to 42 pounds of lead at one shot.

These were mostly crew served weapons.

If we got back to the standards of the 18th century we definitely could be doing some stuff eh!

19 posted on 07/23/2012 9:03:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BurningOak

Obama has proposed reinstating slavery through the operation of ObamaKKKAre.


20 posted on 07/23/2012 9:04:40 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sir Napsalot
From the article: But in 2008 and 2010, landmark Supreme Court rulings gave that constitutional right sweeping new power, dramatically diminishing the authority of state and local governments to limit gun ownership.

This is palpable nonsense. The Court simply reaffirmed that the constitution means what is says, nothing more. This writer is trying to make it seem like the Court was acting in an ‘activist’ manner when it confirmed the original intent of the words and confirmed the rights of the people.

21 posted on 07/23/2012 9:06:25 PM PDT by Old North State
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To: muawiyah

It would be a step in the right direction.


22 posted on 07/23/2012 9:12:51 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (With (R)epublicans like these, who needs (D)emocrats?)
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To: marygonzo

Hollywood had nothing to do with this either. That movie made a billion dollars and was watched by tens of millions of Americans. Somehow non of the others went on shooting rampages. Guess what, I watched this movie three times, and own guns, somehow I never shot anyone.

Here is a revolutionary idea, lets hold everyone responsible for their own actions, and not blame guns, movies, and other innanimate objects. Censorship and gun grabbing are never the answer.


23 posted on 07/23/2012 9:13:20 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: hoosierham
It IS a BAD thing;millions of people obviously have no guns at all.

I read an article at F.R. only a week or two ago about a judge that ordered a battered woman to conceal carry and to carry the court order with her to show to any inquisitive LEOs. The same judge, it was noted, had done this previously, even buying the gun and ammo, out of his own pocket, when the woman couldn't afford it

We need more judges like that.

24 posted on 07/23/2012 9:14:13 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Free people, when presented only with evil choices, create other choices.(EternalVigilance))
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To: muawiyah

“Back in the time of the Revolution it was common for private individuals to own and use cannon that could fire anywhere from 32 to 42 pounds of lead at one shot.”

Indeed.

In the summer of 1775, Col. John Moultrie, commander of the First and Second South Carolina Regiments, rolled 31 nine and 12 pound cannons out of his barn and set them in defensive positions at Fort Johnson on Sullivan’s Island to repel the British sea attack on Charleston, South Carolina.


25 posted on 07/23/2012 9:40:55 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Public unions exist to protect the unions from the taxpaying public)
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To: Sir Napsalot
In 2010, there were more than 30,000 deaths caused by firearms ...

Looks like Hizzoner quit pouring through the statistics before discovering how many of that thirty-thousand were serious miscreants who were permanently stopped in the midst of the commission of some bad behavior.

At least, he kept the information to himself if he did come across it.

26 posted on 07/23/2012 9:47:42 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

You never hear them complain about the Swiss. Now why is that?


27 posted on 07/23/2012 9:54:20 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Maybe (just my guess) you don’t hear any report of gun violence in Switzerland?


28 posted on 07/23/2012 9:57:45 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: hoosierham

“It IS a BAD thing;millions of people obviously have no guns at all.”

Only one solution to that problem. Start an Adopt-A-Gun program! Don’t forget about the new Take-Your-Gun-To-Work program! Midnight-Range-Shooting will soon replace that failed collectivist Midnight-Basketball program.


29 posted on 07/23/2012 9:58:21 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: RobinOfKingston

Most of them were suicides.
A plurality of the rest were scum killing scum at no net loss to society.
The remainder is divided up between scum killing decent folks and decent folks killing scum.
Firearm accidents are vanishingly small part of that number.


30 posted on 07/23/2012 10:00:24 PM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Goals for pro-gunners to obtain in the next ten years

National Constitutional carry.

Common legal ownership of full-auto firearms just like Switzerland.

Any others?


31 posted on 07/23/2012 10:00:44 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
"I can tell you that I don't think there's any other developed country in the world that has remotely the problem we have," - Michael Bloomberg

Yeah, that Freedom is a stubborn problem over here.

Oh, and does Mr. Bloomberg recall a little problem that occurred over in Norway a short while back, when, oh, 6 and a half times as many people were murdered?

What a dumbass bitch Bloomberg is.

I hope the left tries to make gun control an issue this November. If they do, they will get bitch slapped back into the Reconstruction era.

32 posted on 07/23/2012 10:08:42 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Disestablishment of the BATFE.


33 posted on 07/23/2012 10:09:01 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: sargon
I hope the left tries to make gun control an issue this November. If they do, they will get bitch slapped back into the Reconstruction era.

Thanks for the belly laugh.

34 posted on 07/23/2012 10:14:18 PM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: sergeantdave

There are cannons on George Washington’s lawn at Mount Vernon, as well! I can’t remember how many, but there are cannons facing the river!


35 posted on 07/24/2012 2:33:01 AM PDT by dsutah
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To: Sir Napsalot

“I can tell you that I don’t think there’s any other developed country in the world that has remotely the problem we have,” New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said after the shooting rampage in Colorado.”

It is a bad thing, because Commissar Bloomberg can’t have his subjects kowtow to his every whim. We have a limited government (though less so with each passing day) BECAUSE of those guns. The American Revolution didn’t start when England taxed their colonies too heavily; the war actually started when British troops were sent to seize an arsenal.

That fact should never be forgotten; without those weapons the colonists’ cause was lost.


36 posted on 07/24/2012 4:09:27 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Aglooka

Bloomberg’s utopia has plenty of shootings; it is an un-American toilet. He sought to lay the blame on states with easier access to guns; he can simply set up checkpoints at their toll booths into NYC to stop guns along with the large sugary drinks and trans-fats.


37 posted on 07/24/2012 4:13:49 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Sir Napsalot
But America seems to be the place the whole world thinks of when apparently ordinary people use guns for grotesque acts of violence.

For one, CNN doesn't know what the "whole world" thinks.

Two, for CNN to say the "whole world" thinks that, even while aknowledging that gun-owning Americans oviously don't think that, makes the CNN writer a liar or at bst illogical.

Three, it doesn't matter what the "whole world" thinks, or even what "part of the world" thinks, because our rights do not come from "the world."

Four, "ordinary" people do not use guns for grotesque purposes. "Ordinary" people know their guns are for stopping people who intend to do "grotesque" things, or for stopping elitists who intend to do grotesque things to our rights.

Five : The reason this "world" they are talking about associates ordinary Americans with using guns for grotesque purposes is the media. It's the same world which ties itself in knots trying to avoid associating muslims with using guns, and bombs, and machetes, and whatever for grotesque purposes.

Six: How come the people who claim carrying an ID to prove you are eligible to vote is a terrible thing and a violation of human rights, are the same people who think every law abiding citizen who owns a gun should be fingerprinted, eye-scanned, microchipped, ear-tagged, papered, photographed, tracked, put on a reservation without access to talk radio, and forced to attend sensitivity training?

38 posted on 07/24/2012 4:51:41 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Little Ray
There are firearms accidents though, and almost all of them involve OLDER weapons.

Almost all of them occur to African Americans ~ !

Which means we need a new gub'mnt program to redress the balance and enable African Americans to benefit from the safety and utility of NEW weapons, just like the white folk and Koreans ~ who you'd never catch without a new, working, still has the odor of packing grease firearm ~ with a supply of safe to handle, fresh off the boat, ammunition that fits the firearm!

39 posted on 07/24/2012 5:30:07 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: piasa
Both thumbs way up.

Except, may I suggest a slight adjustment for #5? - Not only just the media, but also entertainment media (tv, movie, gaming, some music, etc.)

40 posted on 07/24/2012 5:57:32 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: muawiyah

I like curios and relics! Maybe we could just teach them how to safely clear a weapon in the classroom? Maybe in Health class?


41 posted on 07/24/2012 7:19:42 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Little Ray
“There are an estimated 270 million guns in the hands of civilians in the United States, making Americans the most heavily armed people in the world per capita.”....

Yep, meaning there are more guns than politicians. And that my friends is what they are afraid of. If all the gun owning folks in America were to band together, they would make up the largest army in the world. Indeed, the government has more sophisticated weaponry but the “civilian army” could put up one hell of a fight.

42 posted on 07/24/2012 7:51:10 AM PDT by Progov
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To: Progov

Before you think about ever going that route, watch this video:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7e2_1342645222

Two Apaches wipe out a platoon of Taliban without breaking a sweat. When one runs out of 30mm, it burns $30K Hellfires to kill individual jihadis.

That is what the Federales would be using against us. I don’t see much prospect for winning.


43 posted on 07/24/2012 8:10:27 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Little Ray

No, the military would not be using anything against us ~ we know where they live ~


44 posted on 07/24/2012 8:30:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Really? You think their families will be left “unsecured?” After all the Federales might need leverage, too.

Besides, who says it will be the military flying the Apaches? I can see DHS and BATFE Apaches in our future if elites in Washington feel threatened and don’t trust the military...


45 posted on 07/24/2012 10:55:25 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Little Ray

You can’t even begin to protect all the dependents ~


46 posted on 07/24/2012 11:12:33 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
muawiyah said: "That is what the Federales would be using against us. I don’t see much prospect for winning."

The "enemy" will not be the U.S. military. It will be the U.S. government. Perhaps substantial parts of the military will side with the government. Unless the military can assign protective units for every government official, bureaucrat, and activity, there will be plenty of targets for the people where they won't be facing armed helicopters.

47 posted on 07/24/2012 12:01:52 PM PDT by William Tell
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