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EXCLUSIVE: Massacre suspect James Holmes' gun-range application drew red flag
foxnews.com ^ | 7/22/12 | Jana Winter

Posted on 07/22/2012 11:35:51 AM PDT by ColdOne

BYERS, Colo. – Less than a month before carrying out the midnight movie massacre that left 12 dead, suspected shooter James Holmes applied for membership at a private gun range, unnerving the club’s owner whose calls to Holmes’ apartment reached a “creepy, weird” Batman-inspired voicemail message.

“His answering machine message was incoherent, just bizarre, really bizarre -- slurring words, but he didn’t sound drunk, just strange -- I could make out “James” somewhere in it,” Glenn Rotkovich, of the Lead Valley Range, in Byers, Colo., told

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
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To: netmilsmom

I think what we know of his history clearly points to Schizoid Personality Disorder possibly progressing into Delayed Adolescent-Onset Schizophrenia. Borderline Personality Disorder, OTOH, would ordinarily involve a lengthy history of stormy interpersonal conflicts and contacts with social agencies and/or law enforcement with impulsive acts (this episode seemed to be anything but impulsive as it was planned for months). This guy was just a “different” sort: a loner. Obviously the act itself involves sociopathic behavior. Whatever his correct diagnosis I do believe his ability to understand right and wrong was intact, although possibly distorted. His telephone message seems just like one a guy I knew in high school and college would make; that guy committed suicide after becoming increasingly more bizarre and being diagnosed as schizophrenic. He would do things like come and bang on my dorm room door late at night for no reason and giggling like The Joker.


41 posted on 07/22/2012 4:29:20 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
"...I knew that broad was gonna get fat and fugly!"

Yikes!

42 posted on 07/22/2012 4:57:35 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: steve86

>>involve a lengthy history of stormy interpersonal conflicts and contacts with social agencies and/or law enforcement with impulsive acts <<

My sister is diagnosed with BPD. Short of a suicide attempt or rather a fake one that she told a friend about, she has never had contact with social agencies nor law enforcement.

My SIL as well. Never in trouble. The big thing about BPD patients is they refuse to believe their diagnosis. They just walk away from it. No follow up, no post care. If it’s an adult, even the parents can’t do anything to help. In most states, they can only be held for three days in a Ward.

They KNOW how to play people, they are quiet and dangerous. They cling when they need to and are easy to come up with a past that fits their plans.

I worked Psych. I saw lots of them as well. P/S are easy to work with as long as they stay on their med and don’t drink away their monthly Prolixin depot. BPD patients are the planners. As long as their end task is at hand, (like stalking someone) they will do whatever it takes to complete it.


43 posted on 07/22/2012 5:28:46 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: ozzymandus; Lazamataz

>> “And you wonder why so many people think you’re a psycho, Laz?” <<

.
Most of us do not think he is a psycho.

We think he is a funny guy that we enjoy having around; what do you imagine we think of those that exist to attack our friends?
.


44 posted on 07/22/2012 5:45:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: BobL

>> “Seems to me that the “Gun Lobby” figured this guy out pretty quickly” <<

.
They keep those ‘useful idiots’ in store for when they need them to influence public opinion, just like the guy in Tucson that assassinated the judge, and Tim McVey, and they’re always liberals, or had you noticed?


45 posted on 07/22/2012 5:51:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: editor-surveyor; ozzymandus

Dude, I think ozzy was jokin’. Holster that weapon. ;)


46 posted on 07/22/2012 5:52:51 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

>> “ I knew that broad was gonna get fat and fugly!” <<

.
Shelly?

She got skinny and old looking.


47 posted on 07/22/2012 5:56:48 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Lazamataz

So many of our old timers here have gone bad lately, I must be getting flinchy.


48 posted on 07/22/2012 6:00:22 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Shelly?”

No! not her! The other one that so many guys thought was hot! Her pic is in post#42


49 posted on 07/22/2012 6:21:04 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: ColdOne
What I haven't seen is any mention of who bankrolled this guy. I've seen figures from $8K to almost $20K for his gear. How did an unemployed graduate student get that kid of money?

Leads one to suspect this might be a false flag operation. Reichstag fire, anyone?

50 posted on 07/22/2012 6:47:52 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Lighten up, Francis. You’re a little too wrapped up in yourself and your imaginary world.


51 posted on 07/22/2012 7:12:43 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Lazamataz

We’ve had our differences, but yes, I was joking. Jeeze.


52 posted on 07/22/2012 7:15:12 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: JoeFromSidney

he did receive a grant of some sort.


53 posted on 07/22/2012 8:00:46 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
I saw Prof Stanton Samenow on TV last night and he said this guy is most likely a criminal, sadistic sociopath, not schizophrenic.

That says it for me!


Sane, well-adjusted people don't carrying weapons to a movie theater in order to open fire on unarmed people. Or rig their apartment to blow up. The insanity defense should be outlawed. And Holmes should be pushed out of the back of a low flying cargo plane above Bin Laden's resting place.
54 posted on 07/22/2012 8:28:47 PM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: Renderofveils; Recovering Ex-hippie
*people don't go carrying weapons

One of these days I'll actually proofread.
55 posted on 07/22/2012 8:31:05 PM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: ozzymandus
We’ve had our differences

Uh oh. You must always think exactly like I do. It's the only way to success.

56 posted on 07/22/2012 9:43:28 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

Cheers is a fairly common valediction on e-mails sent by academicians and is often picked up by grad students almost instantly, to say nothing of Brits, Aussies and Canadians. I guess there’s not much overlap between the U. Colorado’s faculty and graduate students (or expat communities in Colorado from other parts of the Anglosphere) and Rotkovich’s clientele or he’d not have thought it strange, much less “very, very strange”


57 posted on 07/22/2012 9:53:43 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: JoeFromSidney

“What I haven’t seen is any mention of who bankrolled this guy.”

Darn near anyone with a pulse can manage to get $20K worth of credit on credit cards.

All he needed was plastic.


58 posted on 07/22/2012 9:55:44 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Nik Naym; JoeFromSidney

And, as I have observed repeatedly:

He was a grad student in the sciences. He surely had a full-ride plus stipend fellowship, and could easily have taken out graduate student PLUS loans on top of it.

The $20K figure everyone is bandying about came from some blogger, who seems to hav pulled it out of thin air, and who was criticized in the comments on his blog by folks who estimated that Holmes’s kit could have been obtained for as little as $2K if he’d bargain-hunted. (I favored an estimate of $5K, others with more direct experience of the arms and tactical gear market suggested $7500 as a maximum figure.)


59 posted on 07/22/2012 10:03:12 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: The_Reader_David
You're right, "cheers" is a silly affectation by academics, like spelling "colour" and "offence" and crossing their sevens to show how oh-so-sophisticated they are.

No wonder a normal American wasn't impressed.

60 posted on 07/22/2012 10:03:24 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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