Posted on 07/21/2012 12:31:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Denver shooting suspect James Holmes purchased some 6,000 rounds of ammunition over the internet before carrying out hismassacre at a midnight screening of Batman.
The ammunition was part of a massive arsenal he gathered in the run-up to the killings, which also included four guns legally purchased at local gun shops.
His weapons were two Glock pistols, a 12-guage shotgun, and a high-powered AR-15 assault rifle fitted with a drum magazine allowing a fire rate of 50 to 60 rounds per minute.
Dan Oates, the chief of police in Aurora, Colorado, where Holmes killed 12 people and injured 58 others, said: ’He purchased four guns at local gun shops and through the internet he purchased over 6,000 rounds of ammunition, more than 3,000 rounds of 0.223 ammunition for the assault rifle, 3,000 rounds of 0.40 caliber ammunition for the two Glocks in his possession, and 300 rounds for the 12 gauge shotgun.
“Also through the internet he purchased multiple magazines for the 0.223 caliber assault rifle including one 100-round drum magazine which was recovered from the scene.
“Even if it was semi-automatic I’m told by experts that with that drum magazine he could have got off 50 to 60 rounds within a minute. As far as we know it was a pretty rapid pace of fire in the theatre.
“My understanding is that all the weapons he possessed, he possessed legally and all the clips that he possessed, he possessed legally and all the ammunition he possessed, he possessed legally.”
Holmes is also believed to have joined a casual sex website where he apparently hinted at his plans for his killing spree, asking potential suitors: “Will you visit me in prison?”
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Some deranged killers might get off on the planning part. The Zodiac killer planned his deeds in a way that he never was caught. As for the body armour and planned shootout with police, when given the opportunity, the maniac threw his hands in the air and gave up. I would guess the costume was more for effect than to be used.
Right you are. He had several options that would get the equipment he had.
Okay, point well taken, Gusty. I would add, as many others have speculated, that the maniac could have purchased all of the equipment using a credit card (not a very “massive arsenal!”). Fireworks are easy to obtain in Wyoming.
What still troubles me, though, are the pyrotchnics and/or explosives which were rigged in his apartment. That setup has been repeatedly described by sources as being “sophisticated.” Also, the killer’s method of egress into the theater remains unexplained. An emergency exit door would be fitted with an alarm mechanism.
Who says he paid for it? If he ordered by credit card knowing what he was going to do, how’re the card companies going to collect?
.....I suspect some might be maxing out some Amex cards and maybe a MC or two. On the otherhand I would be interested how Mommy and Daddy kept up with the allowance.
I was wondering about that too. Granted, the media folks wouldn't know a mortar bomb from a dildo, but I'm still having trouble believing that a med student would even know how to lay hands on that stuff let alone rig booby traps so complex that the police were flummoxed for hours by it.
And sometimes they're not. Yours is every bit as much conjecture as the guys saying he was the latest in a string of Monarch Programmed disposables.
“... return fire could have had a dramatic effect even if it failed to completely stop him. ...
In addition, train with those problems in mind. There are targets beyond center of mass. Never reinforce failure if your first rounds don’t perform as expected. Enough said.”
This reminds me that having read a lot of issues of The Ayoub Files, I was initially a little surprised about how many shootings result in hits on the arms and hands. And that those hits on the arms and hands often disable the shooter.
But if you think about it a bit, you’ll notice that the with most rifle and pistol holds, the forearm(s) block a good portion of the chest, so just going for a center of mass shot often ends up hitting the forearms or hands.
Heck, in the FBI Miami shoot out, one cop was hit in the hand and another in the forearm. The cop that was hit on his strong hand had never been trained on how to reload with just his weak hand which left him vulnerable and the perp walked up to him and delivered a coup de gras to the head.
The other cop that was hit in the forearm with a .223 and said that when he looked at his left arm, it looked like the meat had been peeled back from the bone like the skin of a banana. This took him out of most of the fight, but he got back in at the end by operating his shotgun one-handed.
It amazing common to see arm and hand and even hits on the gun itself that disables the gun and stops the fight.
Can somebody tell me how many weapons constitute an arsenal?
Apparently four qualifies. How about three? Two maybe? One?
Not to mention that the guy just magically became proficient with an AR 15, a shotgun and a semi auto handgun to the point that he could walk into a high stress situation and perform like a pro. Not in a million years and we all know it.
There are also reports that the bodies are being removed to the morgue before forensics can be done so that they don’t have to be bothered with matching up pesky things like bullet fragments that may not match.
Supposedly there is one military person missing in action from the theatre last night. They have no idea where he is. Hmmmmm!
Indeed, Only a Navy SEAL could possibly make a shot like hitting someone in the face from five feet away - and if you miss, what happens is you hit someone ELSE in the face, because it’s so crowded.
A question or a statement?
Say 2 - 3k for the guns; a similar amount for ammo. I’m assuming he didn’t haggle or price shop too hard. Maybe he ran off with his tuition money.
I’m still having trouble believing that a med student would even know how to lay hands on that stuff let alone rig booby traps so complex that the police were flummoxed for hours by it.
Two words: Credit card.
You should see the offfers my children get in the mail. Fortunatly they are smart enough to throw them out. and the one who is not that smart? I throw them out.
The problem isn’t the easy access to ammunition.
The problem is a society that has lost God.
You're wrong there. There is not going to be any confiscation. This sort of crap has happened before and the people have kept their guns.
RE: You’re wrong there. There is not going to be any confiscation.
I’m 38 now, every person younger than me that is not an idiot knows. I’m ashamed of my hippy parents but proud of mine and the next.
I’m rather assuming he was decked out like those LA shooters from a few years back. They gun down quite a few cops while under fire from said cops taking the hits and keeping on going. Of course I don’t have any real details, but he seemed to really have it planned out well.
I do not understand your post as written. Are you saying that there will be confiscation of firearms? I think it’s conceivable that such could happen in your lifetime given your age, but for now, I don’t think so. The politics, as I seem them, would not allow it.
I refer to the recent Supreme Court decision, for one thing. The massive buys of firearms and ammunition by the American public over the last few years also indicate huge resistance to such a move.
But, again, I think that your generation may well see such a travesty of constitutional rights. And it won’t be restricted to Second Amendment rights. All societies, I suspect, turn to tyranny over time.
All this make me glad to not be a part of your age group. I’ll be gone by the time your freedoms are revoked. Since I have no children—and therefore, no grandchildren—I don’t have to worry about them. But I do, for what it’s worth, feel sorry for what you and yours will endure.
It does seem well planned. And the drugs would make blunt force trauma easier to ignore if somebody did get a shot at him.
Excellent point re the cost, and who paid for the guns, body armor and other gear?
The cost would probably be about 3K.
Holmes is also believed to have joined a casual sex website where he apparently hinted at his plans for his killing spree, asking potential suitors: “Will you visit me in prison?”
Gay or whatever sex?
It’s shockingly easy to get child porn on the Internet, but you don’t see the lefties up in arms about that.
I want to know when the last time he went to a government shrink. That seems to be the common factor behind these types of things.
Not 'til ya slap a Korean beta-mag onto 'em.
Not 'til ya slap a Korean beta-mag onto 'em.
Do you know where you've seen this? It is exactlythis type of information that will be scrubbed during the next few days.
Consider the computational power put in place in the major credit card's anti-fraud software. If you think this wouldn't set of major bells and whistles to FedGov you haven't been paying attention.
Never heard anything from anybody.
As well it should. That 'was' a rumor I picked up early in the news, and it has not been proven in any way.
Question: How did he get back in ?
Being open minded, I would be more likely to conclude that she was just confirming that the JAMES HOLMES they called about was her son. They may have asked her if the James Holmes who lived at 'xxx apartment number' was her son.
Does anyone have the QUESTION that she was responding to? It would seem some context would be important. Funny how that is being left out.
Hee hee! My standard response to the MSM's idea of an "arsenal" is "what a slacker"!
Holmes never used the Beta c-mag he supposedly had. One of the 30-round mags he had jammed and he reportedly used the pistols and shotgun. There is a picture of the AR laying outside theater 9's door with a standard 30-rounder in the magwell.
The full auto cyclic rate of the Stoner AR platform is between 500-900 RPM depending on Generation, barrel length, etc... 50-60 a minute is one trigger pull per second. There is nothing magically or particularly sinister about a Beta c-mag that makes your average mouse gun any more "lethal" than it is right out of the box.
Stupid hyperbole spouted by agitprop vomiting ideologues...
Do these morons not understand he could have just as easily went to a walmart once every few weeks and done the same thing?
The level of idiocy in the media is insane.
Do these morons not understand he could have just as easily went to a walmart once every few weeks and done the same thing?
The level of idiocy in the media is insane.
Concealed means concealed and I'd rather be asked to leave the theater than be in the dark with a group of strangers without my sidearm...
He was wearing riot gear. Standard pistol rounds would have done him in... All you’d see if some guy tacticooled out in a helmet. Shoot him anyway. Get his head down and you save lives.
Besides, better to take your shot and die for it than run off and be shot in the back.
Massive arsenal my ass.
I, also, usta didn’t have that much, too!
It’s a matter of what income or credit, or grant, is available AND the decision that the heinous plan comes before all else. I have a credit card for which there isn’t a dollar limit - none. I’ve asked before about if I could buy a $50,000 car with it. Word back was “Sure!”.....
It isn’t the buying, it’s the personal decision about the financial repercussions thereafter. My assessment is this fruitcake wasn’t thinking about it. You don’t have to pay back sh!t if you’re in jail - or dead.
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