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US Navy Fires on Ship on Persian Gulf, One Dead [Media Hand-wringing]
ABC News ^ | July 16, 2012 | Luis Martinez and ABC News

Posted on 07/17/2012 7:01:55 AM PDT by Salgak

An American Navy ship fired on a boat in the Persian Gulf today, killing one person and injuring three others aboard the craft, U.S. naval officials told ABC News.

Lt. Greg Raelson, a spokesperson for the Navy's 5th Fleet, which is based in nearby Bahrain, said that a security team aboard the oil supply ship U.S.N.S. Rappahannock fired a .50 caliber machine gun at a "small motor vessel after it disregarded warnings and rapidly approached the U.S. ship" off the coast of Jebel Ali, a city approximately 30 miles from Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: incident; media; navy; rappahannock; uae; usscole; ussrappahannock; whining
OK, boat approaches ship, coming straight at ship, does not answer radio calls, ignores flashing lights and loudspeaker calls to it, ignores warning shots in front of it, and keeps coming. And the Navy lights them up with a MA-Deuce. Pretty much, standard procedure, after the USS Cole.

But listen to the media, it was "tragic mis-comunication". And who would be willing to bet that the Captain, Officer of the Deck, and Gun crew will be brought up on charges ???

1 posted on 07/17/2012 7:02:06 AM PDT by Salgak
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To: Salgak

Obama is a bloodthirsty, warmongering tyrant! /sarc


2 posted on 07/17/2012 7:04:37 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: Salgak

Did you change the title? I read the entire article and there’s not one iota of hand-wringing in it.

BTW - this “broke” yesterday.


3 posted on 07/17/2012 7:07:28 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: green iguana

There is sort of hand wringing in it if you read closely. The gist I get is the US Navy blundered by firing on an innocent fishing boat (a Pleasure Craft) that WAS NOT Iranian and the man who was killed was Indian which is one of our allies in the middle east.


4 posted on 07/17/2012 7:24:14 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Blue Highway
There is sort of hand wringing in it if you read closely. The gist I get is the US Navy blundered by firing on an innocent fishing boat (a Pleasure Craft) that WAS NOT Iranian and the man who was killed was Indian which is one of our allies in the middle east.

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5 posted on 07/17/2012 7:28:12 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: green iguana

Watch the associated video from ABCNews, THAT is where the hand-wringing is. . .


6 posted on 07/17/2012 7:28:15 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: Salgak

what puzzles me, is that this boat was supposedly heading for the shipat a decent speed. they tried to radio, got no response...tried again, again no response, they even tried using the ships’ loudspeaker...(I really doubt they could have been heard or understood from a boat with engines running at speed, but...) and all of this in what language??

now all of this takes time, during which the unidentied vessel is getting nearer and nearer... not they would have had to spot it and identified it as a threat from quite some distance away, no?


7 posted on 07/17/2012 7:29:29 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Salgak

If I viewed this correctly...the “articledescribes the occupants of the “pleasure craft” as being 4 Indians and 2 U.A.E. citizens/fishermen...

But in the ABC computer simulation (hehehe) the graphic describes theseindividuals as “victims”...

Understanding exactly how these investigations “used” to go down...The log books, recordings, DRT traces, and radar tracks will be reviewed...The more accurate re-creation will prove that the crew and Captain of that vessel did everything within their ROE to avoid this incident...

But the one damning thing ABC did was illustrate that the “pleasure craft” did turn away (after crossing the bow of the ship, then turned in on a collision course...

To me that is aggressive, and was dealt with appropriately...If the PLeasure craft had paralleled the trackof the ship and passed down the beam of that ship and not closed the CPA range, then I would have been weapons tight on it till we cleared and the ranges opened up between the two vessels...

This was another “test”, regardless of what is divulged to the media and public on this issue...

We shall see how this all plays out soon...


8 posted on 07/17/2012 7:31:55 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Blue Highway

I live in Norfolk, VA. I fish on the Chesapeake Bay. Whenever a Navy ship enters or exits the bay, the Coast Guard comes out ahead of them and runs all the boats away from the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel while the Navy ship transits there. There are warning signs all along the Naval Station piers. It’s known we are to stay away from the ships, I even have to pass on the other side of the Little Creek harbor when transiting to the marina on the base (I’m retired Navy).


9 posted on 07/17/2012 7:35:34 AM PDT by fredhead (It's my Herbie year...check out the number on the side of the famous VW.)
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To: Salgak

The USS Cole attack is not forgotten. That’s a good thing.

IMO, any private craft that approaches a USN vessel in that manner is a legitimate target.

Stupid hurts, sometimes it kills.


10 posted on 07/17/2012 7:40:53 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: fredhead
I live in Norfolk, VA. I fish on the Chesapeake Bay. Whenever a Navy ship enters or exits the bay, the Coast Guard comes out ahead of them and runs all the boats away from the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel while the Navy ship transits there. There are warning signs all along the Naval Station piers. It’s known we are to stay away from the ships, I even have to pass on the other side of the Little Creek harbor when transiting to the marina on the base (I’m retired Navy).

And besides that, warning shots from a 50. cal directed near your boat, is a warning put in a universal language that anyone would understand, which is, what you are doing will be hazardous to your health if you continue.
11 posted on 07/17/2012 7:43:03 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Blue Highway
and the man who was killed was Indian which is one of our allies in the middle east.

Indian Hindu or Indian Muslim? Makes a big difference.

12 posted on 07/17/2012 7:43:15 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Salgak
ignores warning shots in front of it, and keeps coming

At this point what else were they going to do except shoot? The boat may not have understood radio or the flashing lights, but there isn't any mistaking warning shots.

13 posted on 07/17/2012 7:54:27 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga
If someone fires warning shots at you, considering the piracy problem of Somalia, the logical thing to do is stand clear until you can convince them you're not hostile. That is logical, but it wasn't done by the small boat. Why?
14 posted on 07/17/2012 8:11:27 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: PapaBear3625
Indian Hindu or Indian Muslim? Makes a big difference.
Actually, no ... dead is dead.
15 posted on 07/17/2012 8:12:03 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Salgak

Go Navy!


16 posted on 07/17/2012 8:30:32 AM PDT by moovova (Ladies & Gentlemen...Pandora has left the box.)
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To: oh8eleven
Actually, no ... dead is dead.

What I meant was, it makes a big difference as to determining the probability that this was an innocent mistake, versus jihadi probe.

17 posted on 07/17/2012 8:34:26 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: from occupied ga

I’ve seen .50 caliber rounds hit the water about 200 yards away, pretty impressive. The water shoots up in the air about 10-15 feet. After the USS Cole, I say Bravo Zulu.

-Frank


18 posted on 07/17/2012 8:36:19 AM PDT by thepoodlebites (and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.)
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To: PapaBear3625

The Indian wounded (who say they had no warning, but were speeding up to go ahead of the Rappahannock) have Tamil/Hindu names.


19 posted on 07/17/2012 9:36:32 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist
The Indian wounded (who say they had no warning, but were speeding up to go ahead of the Rappahannock) have Tamil/Hindu names.

Odd that they didn't notice the .50 cal warning shots. And trying to pass a big ship on the front, rather than the stern(even with having to avoid the wake), seems stupid enough to qualify them for a Darwin Award . No sympathy here.

20 posted on 07/17/2012 9:43:59 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: PapaBear3625

What were they doing? The obvious answer would be that it was a sport fishing venture, but in the quotes of the survivors I saw the word “trawling” used to describe their activities. I suppose in the loosest possible sense this could have been a translation of of a word indicating “fishing” or “trolling” as we would put it, but to me it doesn’t quite add up. The quoted survivor says he is experienced enough to know all about warning signals etc., but yet he was naive enough to race at full speed towards a USN vessel in the Strait of Hormuz?


21 posted on 07/17/2012 9:54:09 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

Sounds like a probe of our Rules of Engagement to me.


22 posted on 07/18/2012 5:18:22 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Based on the "CENTCOM standard briefing" included in the CNN article, I made this simple sketch on a Google Earth screen shot, The gray arrow shows the location and course of the Rappahannock at the time of the encounter, and the red arrow shows the fishing boat approaching from astern.

It looks like the Rapphannock was heading into the large harbor ( grey circle ). There is a small fishing harbor, as indicated in Google Earth at the red circle, and it seems logical that the fishing boat was headed there.

I think in this context, the actions of the fishing boat helmsman make sense, as ill-advised as they were. He was aming to cross the bow of the Rappahannock, but got too close and changed his mind. All this has been discussed, but I'm just saying it makes sense if he was heading for the fishing harbor.


23 posted on 07/18/2012 6:01:16 PM PDT by dr_lew
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