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A Choice Between Satan and Beelzebub
WND ^ | 7/12/12 | Alan Keyes argues against 'fighting evil with evil' by voting for Romney

Posted on 07/16/2012 9:11:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: HiTech RedNeck

“and a remarkable thing i have noticed is that some of the folks who are the most vocal about never letting mitt get their vote, will then make the most sensible suggestions about how mitt can improve his chances in the national polls... and will cheer when they actually see mitt doing that and obama going down as a result. this spells c-o-n-f-l-i-c-t-e-d to me.”

Of course people are conflicted. The current dem situation is a train wreck. The gop isn’t offering a much better alternative.


101 posted on 07/17/2012 3:22:01 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat ( We're all Texians now.)
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To: factmart

Let me encourage you to rethink this, fm.

There is no reason in the world why we can’t be friends. Would I try to get you to join our side. You bet. And except for the tongue-in-cheek, over-the-top type of stuff friends sometimes do, I’d never call you stupid and mean it.

I’ve been on FR for a long time, and I think I’ve proven my conservative credentials. My not voting for Romney is based on principle. It’s not because I’m just determined to be stubborn.


102 posted on 07/17/2012 3:32:02 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

False advertising? Hey, smart guy. See if you’re smart enough to find the link at the top of the main forum index page that’s titled, “Welcome to Free Republic, America’s exclusive site for God, Family, Country, Life & Liberty conservatives!”

Then click on it and read it. Then take a freaking hike!!


103 posted on 07/17/2012 3:32:05 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: dirtboy

I’m not voting for any damned abortionist statist bastard, so you can shove your step back.


104 posted on 07/17/2012 3:35:15 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I would be conflicted were I in a state that could go either way. I’m in a safe Republican state so it is easy for me to vote third party instead of for another liberal. That being said, I want a real red meat conservative as VP because he will become (if Romney wins) the VP, and will have the ear of Senators and House members. Or if Romney gets sick the VP would take over.

Plus, if Romney loses, a powerful conservative with national recognition will be a strong voice for moving the party to the right.

I’ll not condemn anyone in a state that could go either way for voting for Romney. The people I don’t understand are people in safe states, whether safe D or safe R, voting for him. Those people are putting party ahead of principle and country (imho).


105 posted on 07/17/2012 3:37:04 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: factmart

Romney stated in the early 1990’s he was a progressive. So is Hillary. I don’t want her either.


106 posted on 07/17/2012 3:39:05 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: dirtboy; factmart; HiTech RedNeck

Any one who can’t stomach our pro-life conservative views and goals on FR or how I choose to operate my website, can take a freaking hike. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. We got along fine without you before we met you, we’ll get along fine without you now.


107 posted on 07/17/2012 3:39:43 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; HiTech RedNeck
Aw, heck, Jim. Now I'm never, ever, ever gonna get to find out what sort of super-duper-double-secret-probation level evidence he actually had on you, re: that whole dark, shadowy "false advertising"-type thingie!

Have a heart, man!

108 posted on 07/17/2012 4:33:34 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Jim Robinson
We got along fine without you before we met you,

How about Altura?

109 posted on 07/17/2012 4:50:10 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Fire Obama)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, I agree with everything you and Keyes just said so my question is; How do we get the devil incarnate out of the White House?

If you look at my posts in the past, my utter disdain for Romney and his long underwear, but the American people have given us an unacceptable choice.

But having said that, allowing Nobama to be re-elected is national suicide. I'm not even sure we will survive just one term of the evil one.

The only solution I see is to get the liberals and the RINOs out of Congress. We need prayer, big time. Unless His return is imminent and this is God's plan.

Can God's will be thwarted?

110 posted on 07/17/2012 4:55:00 AM PDT by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I'm not telling anyone how to vote. Everyone is going to have to work this bad situation out for themselves.

Just asking folks on both sides to realize that being against Mitt does not deserve the attack of being called pro-Obama, and deciding to choose the sole remaining GOP candidate over the horrors of Obama does not therefore make one a Mitt lover.

And too many posters are not being honest in representing what is happening on FR (not you, Jim, you have been straightforward with your views, and I have not disagreed with those - in fact, my main concern is not further entrenching the GOP-E). But I can also see where the other side largely has a reasoned viewpoint.

FR does not only have anti-Mitt posts, and is not full of Mittbotts, as some have claimed on this thread. Just a short time ago, we were tearing each other apart over the best anti-Romney. That failed and conservative division paved the way for Romney to win the nomination. Are we going to complete the carnage among conservatives now that Romney is the nominee? The GOP-E would like nothing better. I wish people would just make their points, pro-and-con, without the non-stop bashing of the other side. None of us wanted to be here. But we are. No point in a knife fight in this enclosed space. Only conservative blood is being shed. Not RINO. They are wathing it from afar, I am sure with much joy and bemusement.

The rhetoric is getting out of hand and counterproductive. In order to hold against either Mitt or Obama, we're going to have to get past all this come January. Mis-stating the situation on all sides is not conducive towards that.

111 posted on 07/17/2012 5:16:17 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Jim Robinson
Logically, the only people who should support Romney are those who embrace Obama’s goals, but resent Obama’s failure to achieve them. They want to replace his clumsy, bluntly socialist incompetence with Romney’s more engaging and sweetly deceptive method of attaining the same end....As for the choice between Obama and Romney, it’s the devil’s choice either way. Only evil can come of it.

Thanks for posting this, Jim.

112 posted on 07/17/2012 5:19:41 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2898271/posts?page=119#119)
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To: xzins
Your posts on this thread have been measured and reasonable. I hope some people take them to heart.

If conservatives remain this fractured after November, we're screwed, no matter if Obama or Romney wins. With either one, we're going to be fighting either Dem socialism or RINO socialism.

But it's pretty hard to put up an effective fight when you have beaten up your former allies into a bloody pulp - and they have done the same to you. Our differences here are far less than our similarities. The GOP-E has unleashed a perfect storm - not that I think they are smart enough to have planned this, but they sure as heck are cynical enough to fan the flames and exploit it. It's up to us if we are going to allow the GOP-E to goad us into oblivion.

113 posted on 07/17/2012 5:22:43 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Jim Robinson
I've come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a RINO any more.

Republicans have slipped to the left too far as a party. They are no longer conservative. Thus Republicans are what they are--Republicans. Not quite as socialist as Democrats, but getting closer.

It's up to us to keep Conservatism alive in this country.

I agree with everything Alan Keyes has said. I voted for him and am heartbroken over where this country is and appears to be going.

I'll probably write in Alan Keyes as I believe he aligns most closely with my beliefs. I have no illusion that he has a chance, but I can defend that choice to myself and to God when I have to.

114 posted on 07/17/2012 5:33:45 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
Yup. As I stated elsewhere, on another thread:

"Today's GOP -- the putative 'party of conservatism' -- is roughly where the 'Rats were in '72: running a pro-abortion, pro-amnesty, pro-'gay rights,' anti-gun candidate for president.

"That's how horribly, ruinously astray they've gone, as a party."

115 posted on 07/17/2012 5:38:46 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: ShadowAce
I've come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a RINO any more. Republicans have slipped to the left too far as a party. They are no longer conservative. Thus Republicans are what they are--Republicans. Not quite as socialist as Democrats, but getting closer.

Republicans are the party of smaller big government.

116 posted on 07/17/2012 5:47:08 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2898271/posts?page=119#119)
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To: factmart

That is a lot of hating and name calling.

Did you even read Keyes’s brilliant article, or did you just pull the [bad word] you posted out of your [anatomy word]?

I would recommend that you actually read and think about the excellent essay by Keyes before you make comments that you just made up out of nothing.


117 posted on 07/17/2012 5:56:26 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: ShadowAce
I agree with everything Alan Keyes has said. I voted for him and am heartbroken over where this country is and appears to be going.

IMO most of those who are saying we should support Mitt now are not RINOs. Realistically, barring some bizzare circumstance, the next president will be Romney or Obama. We've see the complete carnage Obama has inflicted. But he has also driven GOP opposition to his socialist agenda. The GOP doesn't always deliver in that regard, but opposition to Obama is a rallying point for them.

I think a Romney win would help the economy and help the country short-term and that is what those now supporting him see.

The wildcard is what happens in a GOP Congress with a GOP-E president. And how entrenched such will make the GOP-E - if the GOP-E wins the White House without the support of the GOP base, they will fight conservatives even harder than they have in the past.

It's ugly all around. There are no good choices here, other than to work for races where a real difference can happen.

But I do know that conservative fracticide does not help our cause one bit. And that is what I am seeing.

118 posted on 07/17/2012 6:06:14 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Alex Murphy
Logically, the only people who should support Romney are those who embrace Obama’s goals, but resent Obama’s failure to achieve them. They want to replace his clumsy, bluntly socialist incompetence with Romney’s more engaging and sweetly deceptive method of attaining the same end....As for the choice between Obama and Romney, it’s the devil’s choice either way. Only evil can come of it.

Logically, given the choice between the only two guys who have a chance of winning the general election, Obama and Romney, some of those who support Romney are those who want to interrupt Obama's actual assault on the United States of America even though they find Romney deficient in many ways. Logically, by withholding a vote for Romney, at least some of those who increase the disparity of votes in the direction of Obama out of a distaste for Romney are those who believe that a vote that shows how sincere they are but that ends up reelecting Obama is somehow morally less suspect than one that has a greater chance of throwing Obama out of office; that is, they are holding in higher regard their own feelings about what they believe could be a possible danger by Romney rather than stopping an immediate, ongoing assault by Obama. In this case, it's pretty obvious who is at least an unwitting (or witless) friend of Obama.
119 posted on 07/17/2012 6:09:07 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Sanctimonious self righteousness trumps reason and logic


120 posted on 07/17/2012 6:12:23 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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