Skip to comments.A Choice Between Satan and Beelzebub
Posted on 07/16/2012 9:11:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Recently I heard a friend of mine echo the sentiment former Atlanta Braves pitcher John Rocker expressed in an interview with WND: I would vote for the devil himself over Barack Obama. People say this to make clear how deeply they abhor Obama and all his works. Sadly, for them and for America, their passionate hatred of Obama puts them exactly where the devil wants them to be. The Father of Lies chuckles with satisfaction. He gloats triumphantly at the fact that their hatred of his appearance in one form has maneuvered them into supporting his triumph in another.
I grieve deeply as I contemplate the fact that millions of Americans are letting themselves be caught in this diabolical snare. As I tried to point out in 2008, the lesser of evils is still evil. No matter how such an election turns out, people content to choose between Satan and Beelzebub have made clear their willingness to let things go to hell. Moreover, the nature of their choice is so clear to them that they practically boast of the passionate hatred that impels them to it. With this practical boast they become the willing, proud accomplices of the very evil they profess to hate.
Im morally certain this is why Christ admonished his disciples to make striving for Gods perfection the standard for their actions, rather than their hatred of evil. He thought it better to fail reaching for this standard than succeed by abandoning ones life to the devils dominion. He thought it better to fail in the worlds eyes while commending ones spirit to God (as he does on the cross) than succeed by casting ones lot with Gods adversary.
All this came to my mind this week as I read the excellent half-truths in David Limbaughs column
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
“and a remarkable thing i have noticed is that some of the folks who are the most vocal about never letting mitt get their vote, will then make the most sensible suggestions about how mitt can improve his chances in the national polls... and will cheer when they actually see mitt doing that and obama going down as a result. this spells c-o-n-f-l-i-c-t-e-d to me.”
Of course people are conflicted. The current dem situation is a train wreck. The gop isn’t offering a much better alternative.
Let me encourage you to rethink this, fm.
There is no reason in the world why we can’t be friends. Would I try to get you to join our side. You bet. And except for the tongue-in-cheek, over-the-top type of stuff friends sometimes do, I’d never call you stupid and mean it.
I’ve been on FR for a long time, and I think I’ve proven my conservative credentials. My not voting for Romney is based on principle. It’s not because I’m just determined to be stubborn.
False advertising? Hey, smart guy. See if you’re smart enough to find the link at the top of the main forum index page that’s titled, “Welcome to Free Republic, America’s exclusive site for God, Family, Country, Life & Liberty conservatives!”
Then click on it and read it. Then take a freaking hike!!
I’m not voting for any damned abortionist statist bastard, so you can shove your step back.
I would be conflicted were I in a state that could go either way. Im in a safe Republican state so it is easy for me to vote third party instead of for another liberal. That being said, I want a real red meat conservative as VP because he will become (if Romney wins) the VP, and will have the ear of Senators and House members. Or if Romney gets sick the VP would take over.
Plus, if Romney loses, a powerful conservative with national recognition will be a strong voice for moving the party to the right.
Ill not condemn anyone in a state that could go either way for voting for Romney. The people I dont understand are people in safe states, whether safe D or safe R, voting for him. Those people are putting party ahead of principle and country (imho).
Romney stated in the early 1990’s he was a progressive. So is Hillary. I don’t want her either.
Any one who can’t stomach our pro-life conservative views and goals on FR or how I choose to operate my website, can take a freaking hike. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. We got along fine without you before we met you, we’ll get along fine without you now.
Have a heart, man!
How about Altura?
If you look at my posts in the past, my utter disdain for Romney and his long underwear, but the American people have given us an unacceptable choice.
But having said that, allowing Nobama to be re-elected is national suicide. I'm not even sure we will survive just one term of the evil one.
The only solution I see is to get the liberals and the RINOs out of Congress. We need prayer, big time. Unless His return is imminent and this is God's plan.
Can God's will be thwarted?
Just asking folks on both sides to realize that being against Mitt does not deserve the attack of being called pro-Obama, and deciding to choose the sole remaining GOP candidate over the horrors of Obama does not therefore make one a Mitt lover.
And too many posters are not being honest in representing what is happening on FR (not you, Jim, you have been straightforward with your views, and I have not disagreed with those - in fact, my main concern is not further entrenching the GOP-E). But I can also see where the other side largely has a reasoned viewpoint.
FR does not only have anti-Mitt posts, and is not full of Mittbotts, as some have claimed on this thread. Just a short time ago, we were tearing each other apart over the best anti-Romney. That failed and conservative division paved the way for Romney to win the nomination. Are we going to complete the carnage among conservatives now that Romney is the nominee? The GOP-E would like nothing better. I wish people would just make their points, pro-and-con, without the non-stop bashing of the other side. None of us wanted to be here. But we are. No point in a knife fight in this enclosed space. Only conservative blood is being shed. Not RINO. They are wathing it from afar, I am sure with much joy and bemusement.
The rhetoric is getting out of hand and counterproductive. In order to hold against either Mitt or Obama, we're going to have to get past all this come January. Mis-stating the situation on all sides is not conducive towards that.
Thanks for posting this, Jim.
If conservatives remain this fractured after November, we're screwed, no matter if Obama or Romney wins. With either one, we're going to be fighting either Dem socialism or RINO socialism.
But it's pretty hard to put up an effective fight when you have beaten up your former allies into a bloody pulp - and they have done the same to you. Our differences here are far less than our similarities. The GOP-E has unleashed a perfect storm - not that I think they are smart enough to have planned this, but they sure as heck are cynical enough to fan the flames and exploit it. It's up to us if we are going to allow the GOP-E to goad us into oblivion.
Republicans have slipped to the left too far as a party. They are no longer conservative. Thus Republicans are what they are--Republicans. Not quite as socialist as Democrats, but getting closer.
It's up to us to keep Conservatism alive in this country.
I agree with everything Alan Keyes has said. I voted for him and am heartbroken over where this country is and appears to be going.
I'll probably write in Alan Keyes as I believe he aligns most closely with my beliefs. I have no illusion that he has a chance, but I can defend that choice to myself and to God when I have to.
"Today's GOP -- the putative 'party of conservatism' -- is roughly where the 'Rats were in '72: running a pro-abortion, pro-amnesty, pro-'gay rights,' anti-gun candidate for president.
"That's how horribly, ruinously astray they've gone, as a party."
Republicans are the party of smaller big government.
That is a lot of hating and name calling.
Did you even read Keyes’s brilliant article, or did you just pull the [bad word] you posted out of your [anatomy word]?
I would recommend that you actually read and think about the excellent essay by Keyes before you make comments that you just made up out of nothing.
IMO most of those who are saying we should support Mitt now are not RINOs. Realistically, barring some bizzare circumstance, the next president will be Romney or Obama. We've see the complete carnage Obama has inflicted. But he has also driven GOP opposition to his socialist agenda. The GOP doesn't always deliver in that regard, but opposition to Obama is a rallying point for them.
I think a Romney win would help the economy and help the country short-term and that is what those now supporting him see.
The wildcard is what happens in a GOP Congress with a GOP-E president. And how entrenched such will make the GOP-E - if the GOP-E wins the White House without the support of the GOP base, they will fight conservatives even harder than they have in the past.
It's ugly all around. There are no good choices here, other than to work for races where a real difference can happen.
But I do know that conservative fracticide does not help our cause one bit. And that is what I am seeing.
Sanctimonious self righteousness trumps reason and logic
Truth is simple. However, what you spouted is simply not truth.
You guys are on top of it. The clowns who can’t get over themselves we’ll never be able to see it; but you’re making nothing but sense regardless - bless you!
Agreed. That is why I will still vote in November, if given the chance.
However, Another way of looking at this is to believe that the quicker we hit bottom, the quicker we can start building back up. That won't be pleasant for anyone, though.
Even prayer may be too late. We may be reaping what we have sown the past few decades.
That is bull. Can you see Romney sandbagging the energy sector? Small business? Engaging in class warfare against job creators while pushing greeen energy lemons?
I agree Romney is socialism lite, but pretending the ABO crowd doesn't have a point about the horrors of Obama's presidency - and insulting them in such a manner - is counterproductive.
I personally think the long-term damage from a Romney win would be close to the shorter-term damage of an Obama win, but I am not going to belittle those who are ABO.
From Douglas Adams’ book, “So Long and Thanks for All the Fish” (4th book in “The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy” series):
[A spaceship carrying a 100 foot tall silver robot had just landed in, or more accurately, on, a rather expensive chunk of London real estate, specifically Knightsbridge and more particularly, Harrods:...]
“I come in peace,” it said, adding after a long moment of further
grinding, “take me to your Lizard.”
Ford Prefect, of course, had an explanation for this, as he sat with Arthur and watched the nonstop frenetic news reports on television, none of which had anything to say other than to record that the thing had done this amount of damage which was valued at that amount of billions of pounds and had killed this totally other number of people, and then say it again, because the robot was doing nothing more than standing there, swaying very slightly, and emitting short incomprehensible error messages.
“It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see...”
“You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?”
“No,” said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, “nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.”
“Odd,” said Arthur, “I thought you said it was a democracy.”
“I did,” said Ford. “It is.”
“So,” said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, “why don’t the people get rid of the lizards?”
“It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. “They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.”
“You mean they actually vote for the lizards?”
“Oh yes,” said Ford with a shrug, “of course.”
“But,” said Arthur, going for the big one again, “why?”
“Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard,” said Ford, “the wrong lizard
might get in. Got any gin?”
“That’s how horribly, ruinously astray they’ve gone, as a party.”
***They are UIN republicans. They’ll vote for anything with an ‘R’ in front of it, not caring that it means the rUINation of the country.
Only conservative blood is being shed.
***That is not true. Folks who come onto a conservative website and try to separate conservatives from their conservative principles are not conservative. They’re republicans, yes, but they are not conservative. Their purpose is to sow discord among conservatives, and they achieve that goal daily here on FR. If they were really conservative, they’d be focusing on the RINO squishes and mushy middle.
Jim - has anyone else besides me considered the possibility that the reason we only have a choice to vote between Satan and Beelzebub for President is because God has had enough of America’s wicked behavior and has lifted his hand of protection away from us to give us the only choice this nation seems to want? I consider these things to be warning shots across this nation’s bow God is sending, giving us a chance to repent, before he lowers the judgement hammer on us. Something to contemplate. - OB1
I'm sorry, but a lot of long-standing freepers are taking the ABO path (I am not one of them, but I see why they feel that way). That is not sowing discord, that is their own decision among two bad choices.
Where some cross the line is to attack those who are unwilling to go that way - but the trash talk has been going down on both sides.
now if a wipe out for obama is already assured, then you can vote for sarah palin or mickey mouse or nobody and make a statement without jeopardizing that wipe out.
***The wipeout has already occurred for conservatives. The only choice is between a librul baby-killing statist with a d besides his name and a librul baby-killing statist with an r besides his name.
Free Republic is not a republican website. It is a conservative website.
Also, Free Republic is not a website to document Tebowing, a portal to snuff films, or a place to find dancing hamsters. Just for the record.
The attacks are a result of panic out the outcome. While, like you, I do not agree with the attacks, I can understand why they occur. People who have nothing else to look forward to panic when they can't see the future is already won.
My short-term goal is to just get through the coming turmoil.
Where some cross the line is to attack those who are unwilling to go that way
***Then you agree with what I say. Folks who come onto a conservative website and try to separate conservatives from their conservative principles are not conservative — and they have crossed that line you mention. If their ‘blood is shed’, it is not conservative blood being shed. JimRob should open up his bugzapper on such faux conservatives, right here & right now.
Well, I'll play devil's advocate. Both major-party candidates either do or have supported abortion on demand and gay rights. Both have promoted state-mandated health care. Both have pronounced socialist tendencies.
One is driven to trash the American economy. One in all likelihood would not sandbag energy development and small business and would be much better for the economy.
And given how bad Obama is, I can see how just that difference can drive people to the point of hyperbole against those who don't think the difference is important enough, or see a pyrhhic aspect to a Romney win.
So I would once again ask both sides to realize that both sides have a point, and that we're all having to deal with this crappy two-card poker draw - two-three unsuited - and unsuitable.
In Utah, I can afford a vote against Romney. I will not vote for evil. I won't vote for Obama nor Romney
It summarizes things perfectly, doesn't it?
Both major-party candidates either do or have supported abortion on demand and gay rights. Both have promoted state-mandated health care. Both have pronounced socialist tendencies.
***For those of us who hold these things important, there is little reason to vote for either of these 2 bozos. ABOs come onto this website that openly says these are the things that we care about and try to berate us to vote for someone who does not care about such things. That behavior is anti-conservative and deserves the zot.
I don’t care that they can sacrifice their principles so quickly and hold their noses to vote for a socialist baby-killing statist. That’s their problem. But when they cross that line you’ve mentioned, they deserve the zot.
I came really close to posting that exact quote about 5 minutes ago. Douglas Adams had a way of boiling things down to their bare essentials when he wanted to.
An earlier poster (I'm too lazy to look up who) said that it has really come to the point to retire the RINO acronym, as it totally misses what the Republican party is these days; a wimpy version of the Democrat party.
I hereby forswear use of the RINO acronym as it no longer makes sense. I believe we'd be a lot more accurate in our language by referring to a Conservative In Name Only instead.
No more Pubs! No more Dems! No more CINOs!!!
That thought has crossed my mind. The light is beginning to fade in the city on the hill.
Excellent article. Recently a Freeper posted that he would sell his soul to the devil to get Obama out; I wonder if he recognized the irony in that statement.
I want to see that peanut-headed Marxist out so badly I can’t stand it. I almost wish I COULD vote for Romney. But I can’t. I don’t know how I can stand in front of God one day and justify giving a mark of approval to a man who brought about abortions that are still going on today, and whose fondness for sodomites constantly leaks out into his public speech. God isn’t going to accept the excuse that “Well, but it was to get Obama out!”
I hadn't heard that; I just googled it, and there it was in black and white. Dear God help us.
Not at all. Speaking for myself, I'm a miserable sinner who could never afford to call myself righteous. I certainly don't always do what I know God expects of me. But in this case, my healthy fear of God tells me strongly that voting for Romney is going way over the line, and giving the nod of acceptance to abortion and homosexuality is very serious in His eyes. But, you and some others would prefer to ignore that, and just demonize those who feel similarly by calling them self righteous, full of themselves, etc. So go right on and knock yourself out.
“People who put their trust in God need never accept the devils choice, fighting evil with evil. ....Many Americans pray and profess to believe that His kingdom is near. But in their sovereign duty as citizens they now propose to abandon their profession. It is what has made self-government possible for them. It can do so again, even now, but only if they remember it in time. As for the choice between Obama and Romney, its the devils choice either way. Only evil can come of it.’”
AMEN! It is a horrible sell out for Bible Believing Conservative Evangelical Christians that know that Mormonism is a false Christianity and Cult. In the past, I have bought into the “lesser of two evils” argument, because there was truly a lesser. However, putting a Mormon in the seat of POTUS where he can use that office to mislead millions into accepting Mormonism as “OK” and possibly “converting” to it is just too far to go. Romney has already, shown himself to not be a conservative and holds evil positions (not really pro-life, actually pro-homosexual, big government statist, etc.) To me the Mormonisn was the final straw. I cannot support Romney, and if fact argressively oppose him just as much as I do Obama.
“People say this to make clear how deeply they abhor Obama and all his works. Sadly, for them and for America, their passionate hatred of Obama puts them exactly where the devil wants them to be. The Father of Lies chuckles with satisfaction. He gloats triumphantly at the fact that their hatred of his appearance in one form has maneuvered them into supporting his triumph in another.”
Preach on Brother Keyes...you got it exactly right sir!
“Not at all. Speaking for myself, I’m a miserable sinner who could never afford to call myself righteous. I certainly don’t always do what I know God expects of me. But in this case, my healthy fear of God tells me strongly that voting for Romney is going way over the line, and giving the nod of acceptance to abortion and homosexuality is very serious in His eyes. But, you and some others would prefer to ignore that, and just demonize those who feel similarly by calling them self righteous, full of themselves, etc. So go right on and knock yourself out.”
AMEN Again! Correctly and well said! I actually tremble with fear, knowing how unrighteous I truly am. IF I am to be saved, it is ONLY by God’s GRACE. It will NEVER be by my own righteousness or good works...which is trully as “filthy rags.”
Speaking of spin.
“Theres the unabashed BIBLICAL TRUTH.
Anyone wanting to play with that and spin it for political truth and expedience, are serving a devil.
Between Obama and Romney, voting for either one is not a choice - its a trap served to us by the Destroyer himself”.
The election is still a ways off, and after the results are in, and the first year is over, there will be ample opportunity for apologies on all sides. It ain’t over till it’s over. I’ll just say that no one named Mitt Romney, will come within a thousand light years of the destruction, division, and destitution perpetrated on this country by the present occupier of the White House.
I fell out of Remission, even though my Doctor doesn't use that term, after three years. The Chemo was less effective the second time around but I'm somewhere between “this sucks” to “pretty good”. Let's just say I'm feeling my age now. My goal in life is to make it to 62 so I can get a Social Security Check. I put in about $300,000, so I figure I should get back a taste at least. LOL
My Father, 30 years my senior, was diagnosed with Stage Four Lymphoma a month after my diagnosis. After going through a month of Chemo he is effectively cured and living large at age 89. Life is a strange set of circumstances.
I figure that if the Leukemia doesn't kill me, Obama and the Democrats will.
Amen, and thank you.