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A Choice Between Satan and Beelzebub
WND ^ | 7/12/12 | Alan Keyes argues against 'fighting evil with evil' by voting for Romney

Posted on 07/16/2012 9:11:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Recently I heard a friend of mine echo the sentiment former Atlanta Braves pitcher John Rocker expressed in an interview with WND: “I would vote for the devil himself over Barack Obama.” People say this to make clear how deeply they abhor Obama and all his works. Sadly, for them and for America, their passionate hatred of Obama puts them exactly where the devil wants them to be. The Father of Lies chuckles with satisfaction. He gloats triumphantly at the fact that their hatred of his appearance in one form has maneuvered them into supporting his triumph in another.

I grieve deeply as I contemplate the fact that millions of Americans are letting themselves be caught in this diabolical snare. As I tried to point out in 2008, the lesser of evils is still evil. No matter how such an election turns out, people content to choose between Satan and Beelzebub have made clear their willingness to let things go to hell. Moreover, the nature of their choice is so clear to them that they practically boast of the passionate hatred that impels them to it. With this practical boast they become the willing, proud accomplices of the very evil they profess to hate.

I’m morally certain this is why Christ admonished his disciples to make striving for God’s perfection the standard for their actions, rather than their hatred of evil. He thought it better to fail reaching for this standard than succeed by abandoning one’s life to the devil’s dominion. He thought it better to fail in the world’s eyes while commending one’s spirit to God (as he does on the cross) than succeed by casting one’s lot with God’s adversary.

All this came to my mind this week as I read the excellent half-truths in David Limbaugh’s column

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; evil; fumr; obama; romney; whenmittbotsattack; zot
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To: Jim Robinson
I’m morally certain this is why Christ admonished his disciples to make striving for God’s perfection the standard for their actions, rather than their hatred of evil.

Moral certainty from the guy who got played by Borat.
121 posted on 07/17/2012 6:14:32 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: factmart
Truth is Simple.

Truth is simple. However, what you spouted is simply not truth.

122 posted on 07/17/2012 6:16:48 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: aruanan; bert

You guys are on top of it. The clowns who can’t get over themselves we’ll never be able to see it; but you’re making nothing but sense regardless - bless you!


123 posted on 07/17/2012 6:17:08 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: dirtboy
There are no good choices here, other than to work for races where a real difference can happen.

Agreed. That is why I will still vote in November, if given the chance.

However, Another way of looking at this is to believe that the quicker we hit bottom, the quicker we can start building back up. That won't be pleasant for anyone, though.

Even prayer may be too late. We may be reaping what we have sown the past few decades.

124 posted on 07/17/2012 6:18:18 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: RKBA Democrat
Logically, the only people who should support Romney are those who embrace Obama’s goals, but resent Obama’s failure to achieve them.

That is bull. Can you see Romney sandbagging the energy sector? Small business? Engaging in class warfare against job creators while pushing greeen energy lemons?

I agree Romney is socialism lite, but pretending the ABO crowd doesn't have a point about the horrors of Obama's presidency - and insulting them in such a manner - is counterproductive.

I personally think the long-term damage from a Romney win would be close to the shorter-term damage of an Obama win, but I am not going to belittle those who are ABO.

125 posted on 07/17/2012 6:19:42 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Jim Robinson

From Douglas Adams’ book, “So Long and Thanks for All the Fish” (4th book in “The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy” series):


[A spaceship carrying a 100 foot tall silver robot had just landed in, or more accurately, on, a rather expensive chunk of London real estate, specifically Knightsbridge and more particularly, Harrod’s:...]

“I come in peace,” it said, adding after a long moment of further
grinding, “take me to your Lizard.”

Ford Prefect, of course, had an explanation for this, as he sat with Arthur and watched the nonstop frenetic news reports on television, none of which had anything to say other than to record that the thing had done this amount of damage which was valued at that amount of billions of pounds and had killed this totally other number of people, and then say it again, because the robot was doing nothing more than standing there, swaying very slightly, and emitting short incomprehensible error messages.

“It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see...”

“You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?”

“No,” said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, “nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.”

“Odd,” said Arthur, “I thought you said it was a democracy.”

“I did,” said Ford. “It is.”

“So,” said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, “why don’t the people get rid of the lizards?”

“It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. “They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.”

“You mean they actually vote for the lizards?”

“Oh yes,” said Ford with a shrug, “of course.”

“But,” said Arthur, going for the big one again, “why?”

“Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard,” said Ford, “the wrong lizard
might get in. Got any gin?”


126 posted on 07/17/2012 6:20:19 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

“That’s how horribly, ruinously astray they’ve gone, as a party.”
***They are UIN republicans. They’ll vote for anything with an ‘R’ in front of it, not caring that it means the rUINation of the country.


127 posted on 07/17/2012 6:22:16 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: dirtboy

Only conservative blood is being shed.
***That is not true. Folks who come onto a conservative website and try to separate conservatives from their conservative principles are not conservative. They’re republicans, yes, but they are not conservative. Their purpose is to sow discord among conservatives, and they achieve that goal daily here on FR. If they were really conservative, they’d be focusing on the RINO squishes and mushy middle.


128 posted on 07/17/2012 6:29:59 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim - has anyone else besides me considered the possibility that the reason we only have a choice to vote between Satan and Beelzebub for President is because God has had enough of America’s wicked behavior and has lifted his hand of protection away from us to give us the only choice this nation seems to want? I consider these things to be warning shots across this nation’s bow God is sending, giving us a chance to repent, before he lowers the judgement hammer on us. Something to contemplate. - OB1


129 posted on 07/17/2012 6:31:48 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty. - Prov 22:3)
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To: Kevmo
That is not true. Folks who come onto a conservative website and try to separate conservatives from their conservative principles are not conservative. They’re republicans, yes, but they are not conservative. Their purpose is to sow discord among conservatives, and they achieve that goal daily here on FR. If they were really conservative, they’d be focusing on the RINO squishes and mushy middle.

I'm sorry, but a lot of long-standing freepers are taking the ABO path (I am not one of them, but I see why they feel that way). That is not sowing discord, that is their own decision among two bad choices.

Where some cross the line is to attack those who are unwilling to go that way - but the trash talk has been going down on both sides.

130 posted on 07/17/2012 6:35:10 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: HiTech RedNeck

now if a wipe out for obama is already assured, then you can vote for sarah palin or mickey mouse or nobody and make a statement without jeopardizing that wipe out.
***The wipeout has already occurred for conservatives. The only choice is between a librul baby-killing statist with a d besides his name and a librul baby-killing statist with an r besides his name.

Free Republic is not a republican website. It is a conservative website.


131 posted on 07/17/2012 6:41:47 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Also, Free Republic is not a website to document Tebowing, a portal to snuff films, or a place to find dancing hamsters. Just for the record.


132 posted on 07/17/2012 6:45:08 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: dirtboy
Where some cross the line is to attack those who are unwilling to go that way

The attacks are a result of panic out the outcome. While, like you, I do not agree with the attacks, I can understand why they occur. People who have nothing else to look forward to panic when they can't see the future is already won.

My short-term goal is to just get through the coming turmoil.

133 posted on 07/17/2012 6:45:31 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Jim Robinson
Too right Jim,

134 posted on 07/17/2012 6:46:12 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: dirtboy

Where some cross the line is to attack those who are unwilling to go that way
***Then you agree with what I say. Folks who come onto a conservative website and try to separate conservatives from their conservative principles are not conservative — and they have crossed that line you mention. If their ‘blood is shed’, it is not conservative blood being shed. JimRob should open up his bugzapper on such faux conservatives, right here & right now.


135 posted on 07/17/2012 6:47:04 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Kevmo
Then you agree with what I say. Folks who come onto a conservative website and try to separate conservatives from their conservative principles are not conservative — and they have crossed that line you mention. If their ‘blood is shed’, it is not conservative blood being shed. JimRob should open up his bugzapper on such faux conservatives, right here & right now.

Well, I'll play devil's advocate. Both major-party candidates either do or have supported abortion on demand and gay rights. Both have promoted state-mandated health care. Both have pronounced socialist tendencies.

One is driven to trash the American economy. One in all likelihood would not sandbag energy development and small business and would be much better for the economy.

Hence ABO.

And given how bad Obama is, I can see how just that difference can drive people to the point of hyperbole against those who don't think the difference is important enough, or see a pyrhhic aspect to a Romney win.

So I would once again ask both sides to realize that both sides have a point, and that we're all having to deal with this crappy two-card poker draw - two-three unsuited - and unsuitable.

136 posted on 07/17/2012 6:53:25 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: HiTech RedNeck
now if a wipe out for obamaRomney is already assured, then you can vote for sarah palin or mickey mouse or nobody and make a statement without jeopardizing that wipe out.

In Utah, I can afford a vote against Romney. I will not vote for evil. I won't vote for Obama nor Romney

137 posted on 07/17/2012 6:57:09 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: RKBA Democrat
This quote is a keeper: “Logically, the only people who should support Romney are those who embrace Obama’s goals, but resent Obama’s failure to achieve them. They want to replace his clumsy, bluntly socialist incompetence with Romney’s more engaging and sweetly deceptive method of attaining the same end.”

It summarizes things perfectly, doesn't it?

138 posted on 07/17/2012 7:14:49 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: dirtboy

Both major-party candidates either do or have supported abortion on demand and gay rights. Both have promoted state-mandated health care. Both have pronounced socialist tendencies.
***For those of us who hold these things important, there is little reason to vote for either of these 2 bozos. ABOs come onto this website that openly says these are the things that we care about and try to berate us to vote for someone who does not care about such things. That behavior is anti-conservative and deserves the zot.

I don’t care that they can sacrifice their principles so quickly and hold their noses to vote for a socialist baby-killing statist. That’s their problem. But when they cross that line you’ve mentioned, they deserve the zot.


139 posted on 07/17/2012 7:28:15 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: ctdonath2
“take me to your Lizard.”

I came really close to posting that exact quote about 5 minutes ago. Douglas Adams had a way of boiling things down to their bare essentials when he wanted to.

An earlier poster (I'm too lazy to look up who) said that it has really come to the point to retire the RINO acronym, as it totally misses what the Republican party is these days; a wimpy version of the Democrat party.

I hereby forswear use of the RINO acronym as it no longer makes sense. I believe we'd be a lot more accurate in our language by referring to a Conservative In Name Only instead.

No more Pubs! No more Dems! No more CINOs!!!

140 posted on 07/17/2012 7:34:14 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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