Skip to comments.Six Places You Canít Concealed Carry (but really should be able to)
Posted on 07/14/2012 6:00:16 PM PDT by marktwain
I was leaving work the other night, and it dawned on me, I really wish I had my gun on me right now. Lest you think I was being a bit paranoid, the job Im speaking of is my work as a professional musician, playing at a club. For my solo act, Ive got to pack and move a P.A., guitars, keyboard, and assorted effluvia, loading these expensive pieces of equipment in and out every gig. It usually works out that Im one of the last guys out of the venue, hence the desire for a gun.
The loading areas of bars and nightclubs, share one common characteristic they virtually all look as though a movie production scout would find them to be the perfect place to stage a mugging, rape, or murder. However, even if you have a concealed handgun license, youre not allowed (in most states) to carry, where alcohol is served, which got me to thinking about all the many places where you cant carry, but likely wish you could.
Guns and alcohol dont mix. I get it and I trust any serious gun owner feels the same way because the last thing in the world people want is some drunken idiot to up to the ante in a barroom dispute by pulling out his 9mmthe mother of all bad ideas and makes gun owners look bad.
But what about those of us who make a living at bars and restaurants and do not imbibe at work? Making us working, teetotalers leave our lawfully carried weapons at home leaves us open to the kinds of people that look at the rules we are following as something that "doesn't apply to them". These are the kinds of people that think its perfectly acceptable to settle an argument with a gun, or to rob a hard-working musician of his daily bread by jacking him in the parking lot.
Now you might argue that if you live in a state that doesnt allow you to carry in a bar when youre not drinking, you might be better served to carry concealed anyway. Its the old better to be judged by twelve than carried by six argument. I disagree. If Im bankrupted by defense lawyers or incarcerated for years, Im no more good to my young daughter than I would be if Id been shot dead.
My compromise is to make certain I take every precaution I can (tactical light, pen, and knife on my person and keep those Spidey-senses on Condition Yellow), and be smart about things. Situational awareness rocks. Park near a streetlight, leave with other people, that sort of thing. If Im playing in what my ex used to call a transitional neighborhood (read: bad part of town,) Ill sometimes keep a gun locked in my car, where I can presumably get to it maybe if needs be.
But bars arent the only places you might wish you had a gun. High up on my list: schools and hospitals.
Gun Free zone sign.Im of the belief that declaring something a GUN FREE ZONE is tantamount to painting a big target on the place, like a sign that reads TARGET-RICH ENVIRONMENT and I dont think Ive been to a hospital in this country (and many others) that didnt have them posted in spades. If youre a psychotic, bent on taking as many people with you as possible on your Day of Destruction, theres nothing quite like knowing there will be no possibility of armed resistance to get the ol homicidal juices flowing.
This is why every time I occasion to visit an emergency room, Im constantly scanning the crowd to see if anybody looks as if they are about to slip their chain and go all street rat crazy on the rest of us. Of course, that would be cold comfort if Mr. Crazy Person just walks in, guns a-blazin, like some deranged Rambo type, but since most mass shootings involve the element of surprise, the less surprised I am and the more time Ive got to take cover, the better are my odds of survival.
In our post-9/11 world, it suddenly seemed possible that some insignificant school in a sleepy little burg like Amarillo might be a terrorist target (not likely, mind you, but possible).
My daughter used to attend a charter school in Amarillo. It was located in what had been a strip centera long, low building with ceiling-to-floor, plate glass windows, with a parking lot in front of the whole thing. I played out scenarios in my head, whereby some terrorists in a truck drive through the front of the building, jump out and take the entire school hostage (sound paranoid? I suppose it does, but ask the grieving parents in Beslan how they feel about paranoia after the Chechens did a number on their school).
I met with the principal and voiced my concerns, asking if the school at least had a plan in case some kind of disaster any kind of disaster were to befall the school. He told me we put that in Gods hands.
Guns in schools.
Now Im a Christian, and I firmly believe in putting things in Gods hands. But I also believe in the familiar words o wisdom attributed to Ben Franklin: God helps those who help themselves. I see nothing wrong with taking prudent steps to make a soft target a little more fortified and harder to hit.
When the Texas legislature took up this very issue in their last session, opponents of gun rights were screaming about putting guns in the hands of irresponsible underclassmen (though it seems to be doing fine in Colorado). Funny, but concealed handgun permits are only issued in Texas to those over the age of 21, so even allowing concealed handgun permit holders to carry their weapon on campus would not have resulted in any students under the age of 21 being able to carry in the first place. As it stands now, not even faculty can legally carry And thats an invitation to disaster.
After hospitals and schools, the next thing I considered was government buildings, especially anything related to our justice system.
4. Government Buildings
I get why youd want to keep guns out of courtrooms, especially family court. An abusive spouse, an emotionally-charged divorce or custody case that sort of thing is ripe for a tragedy involving guns.
But what about when someone literally goes postal the post office? What about city hall? Libraries?
At least the courts do more than put up a sign. Metal detectors at least improve the odds that anybody prone to violence will do it outside the courthouse (having said that, your biggest risk at a courthouse would be getting to and from your car, since youre obviously unarmed).
Like courthouses, airplanes, too, are one of those places that I get why you wouldnt want a surplus of guns, at least not in the hands of Guns on planes.terrorists bent on taking down a plane, but I would still like to know theres a gun on-board in the hands of someone who knows how to use it.
What makes a plane different? First of all, flying at 30,000 feet, if you introduce a hole into a fuselage, youre liable to have a massive failure of the hull, and a few passengers that ignored that pesky seat belt admonition will go flying out the newly-created sunroof.
Oh, and if one of those stray bullets happens to perforate the crew, its not like some passenger is gonna know how to land a crippled 737, so I concede that keeping loaded guns out of the hands of passengers is at least understandable in that context (keeping them out of the hands of pilots is less so, but thats a topic for another time). And again, at least the government takes a stab at keeping weapons off planes (with metal detectors and full-body scanners).
6. Gun Free Businesses
Aside from bars, restaurants, schools, hospitals, airplanes and certain government buildings theres one last place that Id say I really want access to my gun. That would be at any business that posts signs stating that guns are not welcome on the premises.
To me, these are the moral equivalent of a KICK ME sign taped to someones back at a party. Just like locks keep honest people honest, all a sign does is to keep We the Sheeple in line. It does nothing to deter a determined criminal, nut-job, or other miscreant, bent on shooting up the joint. I highly doubt, the guy whos been acting erratically and just got fired is really going to think back to that sign, when he runs out to the parking lot and suits up for a little live target practice.
Its unnecessary and insulting to the customers who could have helped the store from getting robbed.
Generally speaking, cutouts in the concealed carry laws across the country sound reasonable. Unfortunately, the practical application of these reasonable ideas have far too often led to tragedy. The problem with these rules is that they do nothing to stop those that have murder on their minds, but completely disarm anyone who might be otherwise equipped and so-inclined to stop the bad guys in their tracks. Maybe we should stop passing laws that sound good, and instead allow a little common sense into the debate.
A bullet hole in the fuselage of a pressurized aircraft will NOT cause a structural failure....this is a fallacy....
The cockpit door is bulletproof so the flight crew is safe....
If the other passengers were armed then the “perp’would be dead very quickly....
Free men don’t ask permission.
Amen and ping.
I remember on Mythbusters when they were shooting holes in a pressurized fuselage. They got nuthin but noise.
I aways think that I should be able to carry in the post office since a employee might go postal. BTW I was very well aquanted with the guy that caused the term going postal. We went to high school together and he was in my motorcycle store about a week before and was telling me about trouble he was having at work. You can imagine my shock when he did something about it.
If it’s in your pocket and nobody see it .... then ....
If it’s in your pocket and nobody saw it .... then ....
The one that drives me nuts in Nebraska is that you can’t carry on city trails or city parks.
That is their right. "Property Rights." Trumps 2nd amendment rights. You have the right to refuse patronage.
Pat was a known nutburger - one of his victims attended my church. My fellow congregation member came to family fellowship after Sunday services and had made passing references about Pat and his nutburger ways. Until it happened, nobody really understood workplace violence.
This phrase alone was worth the price of admission.
Thank you Free Republic!
I don’t believe in Conceal Carry laws! Under the Constitution your rights shall not me infringed upon. So to me that means Under the constitution you can carry anywhere you like unless your a convicted Felon!!!! Of course the constitution doesn’t talk about felons it only says citizens!
Yes, he was alway a bit of a strange duck. Very quiet and not very out going. Of course hindsight is 20-20 but I have wondered if he was trying to tell be something when he dropped by my shop. We were not really close, but I don’t think he really had any close friends.
That's another reason to carry. Prejudice in the federal work area due to mandates dictated that a sector of society will be promoted over others who earned it already (women and minorities). The victim levels the playing field with his gun from his car, and you must witness this or wait your turn to be shot unarmed.
The very place where rapes, robberies, muggings would take place.
Thank you Florida, Virginia and Utah!
One of the best videos around that destroys Gun Free Zone idea:
Make your own Gun Free Zone
New York allows bar carry, and drinking while carrying (no BAC limit). If NY hasn’t banned it (being hell-bent on enacting gun bans on any pretext), it’s not a problem.
Someone told me it was federal crime to carry in a bank? True or not?
One exception to this list is hospitals, uniquely for the reason of raw oxygen and other compressed gases, and other flammable materials which can be insanely deadly in the presence of spark or flame.
I saw pictures that were a wonderful way of explaining this. Taken at a welding school, a pressurized tank of gas fell over and knocked the head valve of the tank off. Like a torpedo, it punched holes in both sides of thick concrete bays, one after another, 5 or six total, before finally punching through an exterior brick wall, crossing a street and breaking, but not penetrating the brick wall of an adjacent building.
And that gas didn’t even ignite to do this.
In any event, the interior walls of a hospital are laced with pressurized gas pipes, electrical wiring and plumbing. Heaven knows what a stray bullet could do.
However, this being said, if a hospital has armed security personnel be-bopping about, they are likely indifferent to this threat, and are more concerned about crazy people, with or without drugs.
But that is not the problem of a legitimate cc holder.
Does it really matter in a life or death situation whether or not someone obtained a government issued permit prior to defending themselves?
Does the government issue permits for rapists, robbers, psychos, and gangsters?
Why the incessant demand for law abiding citizens to “prove” our worthiness to defend ourselves with lethal force?
Yes, I honestly abhor the current airline ‘security’ practices. I only fly when I don’t have an option of driving.
I think they ought to offer a second security model. The first of course is the current sheeple model. The second would be issuing (or letting people bring their own) pistols to everyone on the plane. Make sure everyone has Glaser or some very low penetration ammo and off you go. Anyone who gets up and starts trouble would be down in short order.
That's a very strange comment, particularly from a Christian.
This is actually not totally correct. These laws vary state to state. The writer may be writing about his particular state, but not every state is like his.
In Wisconsin for example you can carry concealed in a bar. However you cannot be drinking alcohol.
I’m from Edmond! Graduated Edmond High in 1979. I believe I was living in Austin, TX when the shooting occurred. I lived off 33rd and Coltrane. :)
I hit post too fast. I was going to add that it must seem surreal that you knew Sherrill, and that someone you knew would actually do what he did.
“I hit post too fast. I was going to add that it must seem surreal that you knew Sherrill, and that someone you knew would actually do what he did.”
Actually I have been aquanted with two murderers in my life. In hindsight maybe maybe what Pat did could have been predicted since he was strange and a loner. I also have two friends that Pat had worked for and they said they had lots of problems wih his performance at work.
The other guy was seemed very normal and was very good worker and worked at the same place that I did. His was a very different crime though. I guess you might call it a crime of passion as he killed his giirfriend’s husband.
Not true. I have open carried in numerous financial institutions. One manager told me it was illegal. I politely asked her to check.
A few minutes later, she came back and apologized. I wrote a letter to her supervisor praising her for her professional manner.
Who is/was “Pat”?
Pat Sherrill, the shooter at the Edmond (OK) post office massacre in 1986. The source of the term “going postal”.