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Did George Zimmerman Cry for Help? (Audio expert now has doubts)
audioforensicexpert.com ^ | July 11, 2012 | Ed Primeau / Primeau Productions

Posted on 07/10/2012 11:37:12 PM PDT by zencycler

Did George Zimmerman Cry for Help?

Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 06:07 AM Author: Audio Forensic-Expert

As you probably have read in previous blog postings, I’ve made some comments about the 911 and other police recordings that were involved in the Trayvon Martin shooting case. My opinions were published in the Orlando Sentinel and I also made some appearances on MSNBC and CNN as well as Fox News.

I was contacted by a producer at The Today Show shortly after they acquired a copy of an exemplar that the police made of George Zimmerman’s voice. They made the exemplar (sample of Mr. Zimmerman’s voice) so that it could be compared to the cry for help in the 911 police recording....

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KEYWORDS: zimmerman
The salient point he writes: "However, I do want to go on record and comment that a more appropriate or exact exemplar needs to be made of George Zimmerman’s voice in order to conduct a proper voice identification test."
1 posted on 07/10/2012 11:37:21 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: zencycler

No, it was Trayvon crying out “won’t someone help me beat the sh*t out of this lil’ crackah?!”


2 posted on 07/10/2012 11:45:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (In honor of my late father, GunnerySgt/Commo Chief, USMC 1943-65)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe Trayvon: “You want help? I’ll give you help.”


3 posted on 07/11/2012 12:34:45 AM PDT by donna (Mitt quote: ...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way...)
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To: zencycler

Just use common sense man.

You have someone clearly in distress, in fear, screaming for help and you have a victim with a possible bloody nose, cuts and abrasions to the back of his head.

Who was initially in control of encounter once the violence ensued?

Now, who would be crying out for help as if in fear for their life?


4 posted on 07/11/2012 12:36:14 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live thnrough it anyway)
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To: zencycler

I don’t get where you say he has doubts.


5 posted on 07/11/2012 12:50:08 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Vendome

primo productions. Audio forensics expert. Sounds like freaking polarik.


6 posted on 07/11/2012 12:53:26 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: zencycler
I originally formed an opinion that the cry for help was not George Zimmerman’s voice, which was the opinion I shared when asked by the major media. I never said it was Trayvon Martin’s voice, although some took my opinion that way. I formed my opinion by using my own critical listening skills that I’ve acquired after 28 plus years as an audio forensic expert who also performs voice identification. No scientific voice identification testing was done because I did not have the proper resources. The bottom line here is that this has turned into a media frenzy. People in the United States have already formed an opinion as to whether or not Zimmerman is guilty. In some social circles, this case has even taken on a discriminatory slant due to the fact that people are choosing sides based on their own personal views pertaining to racial discrimination.

He seems less sure.

7 posted on 07/11/2012 1:08:47 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: MestaMachine

Ron wuz bettuh dan dis dude....


8 posted on 07/11/2012 1:19:53 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live thnrough it anyway)
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To: Yehuda
I don't get where you say he has doubts

I think that is easily inferred from the quote I provided in the comments - "However, I do want to go on record and comment that a more appropriate or exact exemplar needs to be made of George Zimmerman’s voice in order to conduct a proper voice identification test."

Therefore, the prior test he had done he now views as improper, since he did not have the more appropriate exemplar. So one would infer that he cannot now hold to the conclusions he previously made based on an improper test.
9 posted on 07/11/2012 1:54:16 AM PDT by zencycler
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To: Yehuda
Also see the excerpt provided by another freeper on post 7 in which he carefully distinguishes between an "opinion" (which he formed when comparing the 911 audio to the "improper" audio provided by the police) and a "scentific analysis" (which would require a more appropriate exemplar).

He is clearly trying to discourage people from attributing any high degrees of certainty to his prior remarks.
10 posted on 07/11/2012 2:08:03 AM PDT by zencycler
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To: ansel12
The bottom line here is that this has turned into a media frenzy. People in the United States have already formed an opinion as to whether or not Zimmerman is guilty. In some social circles, this case has even taken on a discriminatory slant due to the fact that people are choosing sides based on their own personal views pertaining to racial discrimination.

Bears repeating, several times.

While it is ridiculously obvious that the initial media coverage was wildly distorted, one should not therefore leap to the opposite conclusion from the one they were (and are) pushing. There is still lots of potential evidence out there. We really ought to wait till it's made public before making a final judgment on the case.

11 posted on 07/11/2012 2:19:08 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: zencycler
It would be interesting to see if the level of crime in the neighborhood dropped after Trayvon got put down.
12 posted on 07/11/2012 2:27:04 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: zencycler

This guy is recanting, because George Zimmerman’s father, in the last bond hearing, confirmed that it was George who was crying for help on the 911 tapes

Also, we know now....Tracy Martin, TraydeMarks father, intitially told investigators it was not Traydemark yelling in the 911 tape

This guy is in CYA lawsuit mode. He made a statement to the media which he knew was not a fact

Hopefully this helps put the Black Racist firm of Parks, Crump, and Natalie Jackson, out of business after they lose the slander lawsuit


13 posted on 07/11/2012 3:11:49 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Romney has foreign assets.....Obama has foreign birth certifcates)
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To: zencycler

Is there any chance that the voice on the recording is neither Zimmerman nor Martin but one of the bystanders?


14 posted on 07/11/2012 3:47:57 AM PDT by 1raider1
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To: 1raider1

He reveals his bias when he reveals that he is a regular reader of the Mother Jones Blog. He might as well say that he iw a reader of the Communist Party USA blog.


15 posted on 07/11/2012 3:56:50 AM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: Cowboy Bob
It would be interesting to see if the level of crime in the neighborhood dropped after Trayvon got put down.

Yes, interesting angle. Some reporter ought to do a little follow-up reporting on the impact of the shooting on the neighborhood.

16 posted on 07/11/2012 4:00:54 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

But a follow-up story like that would take work and wouldn’t fit the narrative.


17 posted on 07/11/2012 4:11:22 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ansel12

Among the factors they apply to voice samples are the spaces or time between words.

They compared a calmly spoken 911 tape with a scream of “hhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllpppppppppppp!”

And even then they found similarities, just “less” than in a normal match.

It was preposterous on its face, the opposite of proper sampling.


18 posted on 07/11/2012 4:12:03 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: zencycler; All
DID THE STRAITS CRY FOR HELP??

While the Zimmerman/Martin ‘white’ on black killing is covered 24/7 on the MSM with an outpouring of rage and charges of a racial hate crime, where is the concern- where is the rage about the home invasion, torture, beating, rape and murder of the elderly white couple by a gang of feral blacks in Oklahoma just a few months ago?

The 90 year old war veteran husband was beaten and his jaw broken. He was shot in the face numerous times with a BB gun and sent to the hospital in critical condition.

The 85 year old partially blind wife was RAPED and then BEATEN TO DEATH.

Can you just imagine the pain, the humiliation, the horror that dear old lady experienced being gang raped by that pack of feral animals?

(the autopsy states she was raped. Don’t think all of these animals didn’t all participate)

And can you imagine the pain, the horror of that dear old husband having to witness this?

Mr. Strait died from his injuries a few week ago.

There’s a lot more involved here than a home invasion and robbery.

WHERE ARE THE CHARGES OF A RACIAL HATE CRIME??

90 year old husband’s jaw broken and shot in face with a BB gun numerous times?

85 wife year old semi blind wife RAPED and BEATEN to death??

Why does it take a foreign press to enlighten America as to this henious crime?

WHERE IS THE NATIONAL OUTRAGE?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html

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Have they caught the rest of the gang of feral blacks who raped, tortured and murdered this elderly woman? Are they even looking? Not a word about it in the media.

19 posted on 07/11/2012 4:14:10 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: zencycler

It is way way too late for this statement! This “expert” inflamed the atmosphere with his “expert testimony” of his near certainty that the voice on the call was that of Trayvon Martin. All the objections regarding other witnesses’ statements, (TM’s father’s first statement that the voice was not his son’s, for example), were well known and publicized as part of the coverage of his statements. He had ample time to correct or retract his inflammatory statements, but chose to bask in the warm glow of the media and the mob. If only as a precautionary lesson to others, he needs to be sued not only by Zimmerman, but by anyone else, perhaps as a class, who was harmed.
In his blog, he also invites readers to in a sense “vote” on whether the voice is TM’s or GZ’s. Is this how expert witnesses act nowadays?


20 posted on 07/11/2012 4:17:59 AM PDT by paolop
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To: zencycler
However, I do want to go on record and comment that a more appropriate or exact exemplar needs to be made of George Zimmerman’s voice in order to conduct a proper voice identification test.

Three things:

First, if you're looking for a job, the Zimmerman trust fund is a little short, and no such thing needs to be done. The exact conditions of that night cannot be reproduced, and you have examplars from GZ videos at the scene that can be used and probably already have and the tenor of his voice has probably been linked to the cry for help as opposed to the deeper voice of TM as at the 7-Eleven or recorded on Martin family tapes and phones that they won't turn over.

Second, an authoritative witness already identified the voice as GZ's -- his father -- and that testimony is on the record. Another witness John has also identified it as coming from the guy on the bottom getting his head bashed in, and that testimony though not yet made in court is also on the record. And lying Sybrina won't dare take the witness stand to defend her on the record prefabrication because TM's father already said it was not TM.

Third, unless you wrote that article under oath, you are not on the record. Common sense is your best expert and it tells you who was calling for help -- the guy on the bottom getting his head bashed in, and that was George Zimmerman.

21 posted on 07/11/2012 4:49:20 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: patriot08

And it is going to get worse.

The racists in the Executive Branch do not prosecute racist animals like themselves.


22 posted on 07/11/2012 4:51:34 AM PDT by politicianslie (Obama: Our first Muslim PRESIDENT,destroying America $1 Trillion at a time! And America sleeps)
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To: ansel12
No scientific voice identification testing was done because I did not have the proper resources.

He wants a job and more money than they paid him before.

23 posted on 07/11/2012 4:55:26 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SeminoleCounty
This guy is in CYA lawsuit mode. He made a statement to the media which he knew was not a fact

Yep -- and now he wants the defense to hire him so that he can be in the limelight and, in the name of telling the truth as an expert, lie and hedge some more.

24 posted on 07/11/2012 5:02:24 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: paolop
This expert, if such he be, is saying that his first opinion was tentative and not intended for public consumption.

What’s the name of the cop who originally wanted to charge Zimmerman but was initially overruled? The one who “volunteered” for reassignment to the midnight shift after he was tagged as the hostile leaker of police investigation information to reporters?


25 posted on 07/11/2012 5:05:06 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: 1raider1

NO — no other witness says that they cried out for help and there were some 14 or more cries for help according to one witness but only one of those was recorded on a phone.


26 posted on 07/11/2012 5:08:21 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Cowboy Bob

According to the link below, there were 3 reported crimes in the month prior to the shooting but just 3 reported crimes in the 5 months since. Smells like there has been a huge drop in crime.

http://www.crimemapping.com/map.aspx?loc=sanford,%20florida


27 posted on 07/11/2012 5:29:58 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Yardstick

According to the link below, there were 3 reported crimes in the month prior to the shooting but just 3 reported crimes in the 5 months since. Smells like there has been a huge drop in crime.

http://www.crimemapping.com/map.aspx?loc=sanford,%20florida


28 posted on 07/11/2012 5:33:39 AM PDT by bgill
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To: paolop
“In his blog, he also invites readers to in a sense “vote” on whether the voice is TM’s or GZ’s. Is this how expert witnesses act nowadays?”

This guy should never again be able to work as an “expert” witness. How many real criminals will now have their cases overturned by this phony.

29 posted on 07/11/2012 5:34:08 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: patriot08

Thanks for posting this case. I think it deserves it’s own thread here for discussion.

I never heard about it. I guess you have to read about it in a British newspaper.


30 posted on 07/11/2012 5:39:19 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: zencycler; All

George Zimmerman’s account under police questioning is that he yelled for help and a neighbor said he was calling the police for help. The 911 recording of someone screaming for help was made public after these statements. It’s Zimmerman on the recording.


31 posted on 07/11/2012 5:59:56 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: FR_addict

I post this almost every time a Zimmerman thread is posted.
Few on FR had heard of it before I started posting it.
Few outside of Tulsa got to hear of this brutal torture/murder.

It’s a crying shame that brutal black on white crime such as the Strait torture/murders is swept under the rug by PC crazed media. Brutal attacks on whites are increasing daily since Obama has been in the White House.

You may remember the Christian/Newsom torture/murders by four feral blacks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

Exerpt:
According to the testimony of the medical examiner, Channon’s death came after hours of torture, having suffered injuries to her vagina, anus and mouth. She was raped with an unidentified object and beaten in the head. It was also reported that her body was scrubbed with bleach which was also poured down her throat, in an attempt by her attackers to remove DNA evidence, while Channon was still alive. She was then bound with curtains and strips of bedding, her face covered with a bin liner and her body stashed within five large bin bags, before being placed inside a residential waste disposal unit and covered with sheets. The medical examiner said there was evidence that Channon slowly suffocated to death.[6]

(Even the leftist Wiki could not smooth over the horrible facts)

and the Wichita Massacre:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_Massacre

The PC crazed media did its best to sweep both of these torture/murders under the rug.

As of yet, none of the monsters who commited these unspeakable crimes have been put to death- and most got off with a slap on the wrist.

.


32 posted on 07/11/2012 6:04:25 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: patriot08
You may remember the Christian/Newsom torture/murders by four feral blacks:

I remember when this happened. It was covered up in the media. I wasn't aware of the grizzly details. They are horrific. These black thugs were animals, and the extent that some people will go to excuse the actions of such thugs, or cover it up, is disgusting.

Had one or the other or both been able to kill any of their black torturers and escape, they would no doubt have had to face Murder 2 and civil rights charges as well. We do face a more than corrupt self-serving legal system.

I'm glad you keep reminding us of it. That horrific crime should never be forgotten by the mindless jackasses that pollute our airwaves.

33 posted on 07/11/2012 7:06:57 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Common sense is your best expert and it tells you who was calling for help -- the guy on the bottom getting his head bashed in, and that was George Zimmerman.

The voice crying for help is clearly that of Zimmerman. And, according to early reports, Trayvon's father originally stated it was not his son, but changed his story after the race pimps came to town.

34 posted on 07/11/2012 7:24:51 AM PDT by suijuris
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To: zencycler

Irrelvant to the fact he was fighting for his life.


35 posted on 07/11/2012 11:13:24 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Uncle Lonny

36 posted on 07/11/2012 12:57:13 PM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: suijuris
Corey decreed that the voice on the tape was Trayvon's because Trayvon's mother said so. Will the judge be able to tell the jury they have to accept that version, or will O'Mara be allowed to bring contradictory evidence in? (That's assuming O'Mara is trying to get an acquittal...some people have expressed doubts about his commitment to winning the case.) How much leeway does the judge have if he is determined to send Zimmerman away?

My guess would be that when Zimmerman told the cops that he had called for help, he did not know that anyone had recorded the calls.

37 posted on 07/11/2012 1:03:09 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: suijuris; Verginius Rufus

<>And, according to early reports, Trayvon’s father originally stated it was not his son, but changed his story after the race pimps came to town.<>

That wouldn’t be the same Tracy Martin found lying to the police in this first statement of his to the police, would it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2904366/posts?page=22#22


38 posted on 07/11/2012 1:36:59 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Verginius Rufus
accept that version

The only evidence that the court has as to whose voice it is calling for help on the 911 call is the sworn statement and testimony of George Zimmerman's father made under oath and subjected to cross-examination.

That will stand especially since I doubt that Sybrina will ever take the stand to defend her lying affidavit because she will be forced to answer a whole lot of other incriminating questions about her son.

And if Tracy is called, he will be asked which of his statements re his son's voice was a lie: the first one or the second one???

The Martin family have bigtime credibility problems and should face charges for lying to the police investigators.

39 posted on 07/11/2012 1:54:25 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

“The Martin family have bigtime credibility problems and should face charges for lying to the police investigators.”

Since Big Media even convinced a fair amount of Freepers that the Zimmermans were SKIMMING to MAKE A PROFIT while GZ was in jail, I think the Martins feel entitled to make as much money as they can off this.


40 posted on 07/11/2012 5:45:39 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Here. Check this out. Tracy Martin’s tattoos that connect him to the Crips. He grew up in East St. Louis where they had a chapter:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/07/12/tracys-tattoos-why-scrub-treeper-research-request-whats-the-agenda-behind-the-deception/


41 posted on 07/12/2012 8:22:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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