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Neighbors stunned at fatal shooting of armed teen by Sacramento police
sacbee.com ^ | 10 July 2012 | Darell Smith

Posted on 07/10/2012 8:19:47 AM PDT by smokingfrog

A makeshift memorial marked the spot on Dixie Lou Street where a teen was shot multiple times and killed by Sacramento police Saturday after what officers said was a struggle over an assault weapon stowed in the youth's clothes.

Ascencion Herrera was 17. Sacramento County coroner's officials said he died just before 7 p.m. Saturday, about a half-hour after he was shot.

The two officers involved in the shooting – both in their third year with the force – remained on paid administrative leave Monday, said Sacramento police spokeswoman Michele Gigante.

As friends and the curious made their way to the Meadowview location, on Monday covered with votive candles, family photos and offerings of beer and tequila, neighbors continued to grapple with Saturday's shooting.

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Williams said she saw one of the officers leave the patrol car and hold Herrera against a plywood fence while the second officer stayed back.

She said the officer "tried to throw him down, but (Herrera) wouldn't go down."

That was when the officer spotted the butt of the weapon protruding from the teen's clothing.

"The cop stepped back and yelled 'Gun,' and fired," Williams said. She and Jones say they heard five shots.

Both said they realize Herrera was carrying a weapon. But "they could've took the gun off that boy," she said. "It shouldn't have happened like that."

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ak47; assaultweapon; banglist
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1 posted on 07/10/2012 8:19:56 AM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

It would have been the same if he were holding a dog.


2 posted on 07/10/2012 8:23:16 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: smokingfrog
"added that Herrera had had run-ins with police – break-ins, thefts. He was, Johns said, a "small-time guy."

Made the bigs.

3 posted on 07/10/2012 8:25:41 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: smokingfrog

i’m shocked, shocked that polices are not kungfu masters


4 posted on 07/10/2012 8:26:54 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: smokingfrog

This worthless punk’s family just won the lottery.But it will still be a net gain for society....if he had lived he would have cost society 10 times what the settlement will be.


5 posted on 07/10/2012 8:27:01 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Jimmy Carter Is No Longer The Worst President Of My Lifetime)
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To: smokingfrog
"...someone walking the streets with an assault rifle..."

How did he have an assault rifle hidden in his pants?

6 posted on 07/10/2012 8:27:56 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: smokingfrog
She said the officer "tried to throw him down, but (Herrera) wouldn't go down."

That was when the officer spotted the butt of the weapon protruding from the teen's clothing.

"The cop stepped back and yelled 'Gun,' and fired," Williams said. She and Jones say they heard five shots.

Both said they realize Herrera was carrying a weapon. But "they could've took the gun off that boy," she said. "It shouldn't have happened like that."

It sounds like she will make a good witness for the officers.

7 posted on 07/10/2012 8:27:56 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: smokingfrog
votive candles, family photos and offerings of beer and tequila

Is Herrera's thirsty spirit drinking the beer and tequila after midnight? *eerie music*

8 posted on 07/10/2012 8:29:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick (And I'm like, "So we die. Whatever.")
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To: Tax-chick
Is Herrera's thirsty spirit drinking the beer and tequila after midnight? *eerie music*

"Ees very bad to drink Herrera's Tequila, ees very bad."

9 posted on 07/10/2012 8:32:12 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: smokingfrog
Let's see what the take away lesson is.

Trayvon Martin: Carry a gun.

This case: Carry a bigger gun.

Several years ago I was coming back from shooting at the range carrying a fully loaded pistol as I legally could with my CCW. Looked in my mirror and say the blue lights flashing. Pulled over rolled the window down and kept my hands clearly visible on the steering wheel. When the officer walked up I told him that I was carrying a legal firearm and asked him what he would like me to do.

I followed his instructions to the letter and there was no harm no foul.

But then again I wasn't a small time thug interested in being a jack wad.

10 posted on 07/10/2012 8:32:39 AM PDT by verga (Every single cult leader believes in home schooling....Think about it.)
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To: Blennos

“Herrera was walking with that friend, the assault rifle tucked in his clothes, police said, when the Sacramento police cruiser pulled beside him Saturday. The unidentified youth, who was not hurt in the incident, was briefly detained and later released to his family, Gigante said.”

Yes indeed, they could have seen that by the way he was walking.


11 posted on 07/10/2012 8:33:26 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: smokingfrog

17 year old mexican, with an assult rifle, refusing to follow cop commands. Im GLAD they blew out his lamp. Thinking of the innocent people he won’t victimize. Glad the cops went home safe.

Bet the neighbors wouldnt be lighting candles on a roadside memorial if he could have shot the cops first.


12 posted on 07/10/2012 8:33:56 AM PDT by DesertRhino (perI was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: smokingfrog

Funny how they never mention what actual weapon that was being carried by the deceased. If by “assualt weapon” they mean an AK-47 type or M-16/AR-15/M-4 type, my question is, how do you conceal it under your clothing, especially with a magazine attached, and given the light clothing probably worn given the summer heat?


13 posted on 07/10/2012 8:34:10 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Tenacious 1
It sounds like she will make a good witness for the officers.

Until the neighbors get to her to ammend her story.

When will the media start showing pictures of him as a choir boy or kindergarten angel?

14 posted on 07/10/2012 8:35:53 AM PDT by verga (Every single cult leader believes in home schooling....Think about it.)
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To: dfwgator

Great picture!

If my teenage son was to be memorialized upon dying unfortunately, I suppose we’d have to make offerings of hair-styling products, so that his hair could be as perfect in the Hereafter as it is in life.


15 posted on 07/10/2012 8:35:53 AM PDT by Tax-chick (And I'm like, "So we die. Whatever.")
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To: verga

This is the pic they're running with.

16 posted on 07/10/2012 8:37:55 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?freewheel=91055&sitesection=ktxl&VID=23655441


17 posted on 07/10/2012 8:39:29 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
..covered with votive candles, family photos and offerings of beer and tequila..

Sounds like the author of this piece couldn't spell "syringes".

18 posted on 07/10/2012 8:39:56 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Jimmy Carter Is No Longer The Worst President Of My Lifetime)
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To: smokingfrog
"they could've took the gun off that boy," she said. "It shouldn't have happened like that."

I shudder to think people THAT stupid have the right to vote....

19 posted on 07/10/2012 8:40:35 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: dfwgator

That’s pretty funny. You’re kidding, right?


20 posted on 07/10/2012 8:41:09 AM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: Sergio

I suppose it could have been a Draco or had a folding stock.


21 posted on 07/10/2012 8:43:25 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

“It’s a common thread of concern: ‘Why don’t they shoot warning shots or shoot at a leg?’ “ Tournour said. “They’re trained to shoot until the threat is ended.”

Television. Citizens see “cops” shooting guns out of peoples hands after a 8 block foot chase and want a real police officer to do the same thing.


22 posted on 07/10/2012 8:44:12 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: smokingfrog

Check the serial number, was it one of Holders Fast and Furious guns?


23 posted on 07/10/2012 8:44:56 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Your character is your fate.....fortune cookie)
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To: papertyger

I am divided—should resisting arrest while armed but without making any threatening moves involving the firearm be a capital offence?


24 posted on 07/10/2012 8:48:00 AM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Sergio
Assault Rifle (in CA):


25 posted on 07/10/2012 8:50:42 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: smokingfrog

Dude probably couldn’t go down cause he had his piece stuck in his lowriders and holding it up with the drawstring from his hoodie, just sayin’.

Poor clothing choices in Kalefornia can lead to fashion disasters.

BTW: What’s the chance of a reporter in Sacramento getting this right?


26 posted on 07/10/2012 8:51:07 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Paladin2
It would have been the same if he were holding a dog.

Evidently shot-by-cop-dogs get more sympathy here on FR than shot-by-cop-humans...

... while at the same time many here on FR regularly decry the Obama "police state" and trampling of the Constitution.

27 posted on 07/10/2012 8:54:14 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: smokingfrog
As friends and the curious made their way to the Meadowview location, on Monday covered with votive candles, family photos and offerings of beer and tequila,...

Beer and tequila for a 17 year old kid's memorial? What the hell is wrong with these people?

28 posted on 07/10/2012 8:58:21 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: smokingfrog
...he officer spotted the butt of the weapon protruding from the teen's clothing.

"The cop stepped back and yelled 'Gun,' and fired," ...

That is a far cry from the Rules of Engagement our people in the middle east have to endure.

29 posted on 07/10/2012 8:59:30 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: Sergio
...and given the light clothing probably worn given the summer heat?

The baggy sweatshirt hoody may have raised a suspicion for the officers. (I don't know what the kid was wearing but it would have been something more than a "wife beater T-shirt" to conceal a long gun of any kind.

30 posted on 07/10/2012 9:01:13 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: RobinOfKingston

True. But these days, Chicago is probably more dangerous than Kabul.


31 posted on 07/10/2012 9:03:19 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Hieronymus

As a practical matter, an armed individual has only two choices when challenged by another armed individual: surrender or fight.

Anything in between is t.v.-drama fantasy....


32 posted on 07/10/2012 9:04:11 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: DesertRhino

“Bet the neighbors wouldnt be lighting candles on a roadside memorial if he could have shot the cops first.”

Instead, they would be throwing a party!


33 posted on 07/10/2012 9:06:03 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: smokingfrog
17 + armed + struggling with cops = fatal mistake.
Even if us armchair cops out here think disarming him peacefully may have been possible, resisting cops is not a good idea.

34 posted on 07/10/2012 9:16:09 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: DTogo

What if this ‘human’ turns out to be a member of MS-13 or the like? Still think he deserves so much sympathy?


35 posted on 07/10/2012 9:18:03 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: BitWielder1

As Chris Rock said in his hilarious video “How Not To Get Your Ass Kicked By The Police” ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8 ) “If the Police have to come and get you, they’re going to be bringing an ass-kicking with them...” (Referring to Rodney King)

Same goes with resisting arrest with a weapon on your body. Especially in an area where cops see bad guys all the time wearing the same clothes, moving the same way, saying the same things.

I always think when I read these kinds of things, that I might give the benefit of the doubt, and perhaps the person was not a bad person but maybe carrying an unlicensed gun for protection. Not smart, but possible in those areas. But when you resist arrest, that kind of throws all possible forbearance out the window.


36 posted on 07/10/2012 9:25:49 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: Blennos
"How did he have an assault rifle hidden in his pants?"

The purpose of the gangsta wardrobe is to aid criminal activity such as concealing weapons, drug in bulk, identity, etc.. If the cloths are baggy enough, even assault rifles!

And those who promote that $hit either know it or are to stupid to ever know anything.

37 posted on 07/10/2012 9:39:56 AM PDT by drpix
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To: SECURE AMERICA

I’ve had officers shoot the gun (and knife) out of a perp’s hand (along with some fingers), but it’s not intentional.

Their eyes get locked on the threat (weapon) and that’s where the bullets go. It’s instinctive shooting and it’s a regression from training. It’s not good, but the physiologial effects of the deadly force encounter are hard to counteract except through a LOT of training - oftentimes more than departments can or are willing to give.


38 posted on 07/10/2012 9:40:20 AM PDT by SargeK
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To: thefactor
What if this ‘human’ turns out to be a member of MS-13 or the like? Still think he deserves so much sympathy?
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It doesn't matter to me what this piece of human excrement was carrying or whether or not it was legal, the fact is carrying an illegal concealed weapon is not a capital offense. There is no information that the perp tried to use the weapon, I simply don't understand why he was shot. This one I would call murder. This was not a suicide by cop but premeditated murder. The cop got it wrong. What was the provocation for shooting the guy? He was already under control. It was a rifle stuck down his pants and shirt, it would take forever to get out and shoot.

The cops are wrong on this one from what information we have been given here and from what the witnesses say. I say give the guy his life back or put some bad punishment on the cop and the city that paid him to do what he did. I realize the guy can't get his life back and that is why cops are supposed to show restraint.

Murder, pure and simple. I hope the cops and city pay big time.

39 posted on 07/10/2012 9:40:40 AM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: smokingfrog
From the responses I got on my post on an earlier thread; These “trigger happy’ cops should have waited until the late Ascencion Herrera pulled the weapon and then and only then disarmed him. Either by using Kung-fu(ey) or by shooting the weapon out of his hand. After all that is how Gene and Roy did it.
40 posted on 07/10/2012 9:42:21 AM PDT by Tupelo (TeaPartier ..... but no longer a Republican)
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To: Tupelo

I say he should have done like the “Waco Kid” and shot the gun out of the kid’s hands.....

“Well don’t just stand there lookin’ stupid, grasping your hands in pain...How about a round of applause for The Waco Kid?”


41 posted on 07/10/2012 9:48:51 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Tupelo
If Janet Napolitano was in charge - as she was with ICE & the BP when the late BPO Brian Terry came upon the Obama-Holder equipped Mexican drug runners - the cops would have had to 1st fire bean-bags (as Terry had to) and given the thug the chance to fire live rounds 1st.
42 posted on 07/10/2012 9:51:54 AM PDT by drpix
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To: JAKraig
You weren't there. Neither was I. All you have is a statement from an obviously sympathetic 'witness.'

You don't know how much time elapsed between the perp not going down and the officer firing. He was not under control. He was resisting. You have not seen a picture of the weapon. You don't know if it was three feet long or a foot and a half long. Regardless, it would not have taken 'forever' to get out, as you said.

43 posted on 07/10/2012 9:52:06 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor
Shooting someone dead at point blank range, who was being held up against a wall, just because the butt of a gun was spotted, is not justified by a badge (badges in this case).

Use of deadly force by civilians in many states requires an imminent threat of significant bodily harm with no means of retreat. Law enforcement should be held to the same standards as they are professionally trained in this area, armed, usually protected with a vest, and in this case out-numbered the suspect 2-1.

44 posted on 07/10/2012 9:53:28 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: smokingfrog

Typical POS article. Why did the police detain the kid in the first place? I find it hard to believe that it was for the weapon because if they though a weapon was involved they would not have tried to force him to the ground. Since when can police just force you against a fence and they try to throw you to the ground. I have not heard a reason for the original stop nor even info about questioning him. Something smells here.


45 posted on 07/10/2012 9:54:52 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: DTogo
Shooting someone dead at point blank range, who was being held up against a wall, just because the butt of a gun was spotted, is not justified by a badge (badges in this case).

What was the justification for holding him against a wall(fence)in the first place? The other kid was released so what was the stop for?

46 posted on 07/10/2012 10:00:49 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83

Indeed, today it’s teenager Ascencion Herrera, tomorrow it’s Tea Partier Joe Smith.


47 posted on 07/10/2012 10:04:13 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DesertRhino

He was going back to school, getting his GED, aspiring rapper, took care of his kids, went to church, made a mistake, got in with the wrong crowd.

Obviously, he found the assault weapon on the playground and was taking it to the police.

I’m not buying the story for the gringos.


48 posted on 07/10/2012 10:19:20 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: DTogo

Who said they backed up and opened fire? The same people who said they were here legally.

I’m betting the kid decided to fight it out. If a cop is searching him and sees a rifle butt, he’s going to yank on it to see what happens. He’s not going to back up and cut loose.


49 posted on 07/10/2012 10:22:45 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Sergio

“Assaultweapon” is actually one word and is a synonym for “gun” or sometimes “cell phone.”


50 posted on 07/10/2012 10:29:05 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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