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Hospitals 'letting patients die to save money’ (UK)
Telegraph ^ | 7/8/12 | Stephen Adam

Posted on 07/08/2012 6:52:20 PM PDT by Nachum

Tens of thousands of patients with terminal illnesses are placed on a “death pathway” to help end their lives every year. However, in a letter to The Daily Telegraph, six doctors warn that hospitals may be using the controversial scheme to reduce strain on hospital resources. Supporters of the Liverpool Care Pathway, which allows medical staff to withhold fluid and drugs in a patient’s final days, claim it is the kindest way of letting them slip away. But the experts say in their letter that natural deaths are often freer of pain and distress. Informed consent is not

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deathpanels; die; hospitals; letting; nhs; obamacare; patients

1 posted on 07/08/2012 6:52:27 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Coming soon to an American hospital near you. Remember all that commie ‘RAT propaganda we heard over the years about your medical decisions being made between you and your doctor? Bwwwwwahhaaaahhaaahaaa! The clowns in this country bought it. Now, with ObamaCare, those days are long gone. Green eyeshade wearing IRS agents and government bureaucrats will be making those decisions for you.


2 posted on 07/08/2012 6:59:11 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Help reduce voter fraud in America! If you see something, say something!)
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To: Nachum

Hold On!!!

Lets cut Brits a break here!

Justice Roberts just ruled that DEATH PANELS are constitutional!!!!!

Welcome to the Brave New World.


3 posted on 07/08/2012 7:07:53 PM PDT by LtKerst
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To: Nachum

Sarah Palin Slaps Down Bob Beckel on Death Panels
http://lybio.net/sarah-palin-slaps-down-bob-beckel-on-death-panels/news-politics/


4 posted on 07/08/2012 7:16:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (In honor of my late father, GunnerySgt/Commo Chief, USMC 1943-65)
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To: Nachum
Informed consent is not always being sought by doctors, who fail to ask patients about their wishes while they are still in control of their faculties, warn the six.

Government to doctor:

No, of course we are not telling you to kill the patients! Silly you, for even thinking such a thing! But unless they are dead by next month, compensation for those patients' care will be terminated, and we will cite you for overutilization of government resources. If you receive repeat citations, we will terminate your employment contract. Naturally, if you are actually apprehended in the act of killing patients, we will prosecute you for murder.

So it is entirely your choice! We wouldn't dream of interfering with the sacred doctor-patient relationship!

Have a nice day.

5 posted on 07/08/2012 7:19:23 PM PDT by TChad
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To: FlingWingFlyer
my mother lives there and has been refused knee surgery, she Doc had to appeal to a 3 board panel in London, hundreds of miles away.

After two years of messing about she gets her surgery but then tells me that she has to call the day before.
I ask why and she tells me that she has to find out if they have a spare bed.

She is 82 and this crap is coming to America and we have the dopes who ave no clue what Govt health care is about and we have dopes in America who listen to their dear leader and think what he states is the truth and thinks things like health care is free but ignore the tax code in the UK

Who would ave thought that I would move here, legally I might add only to find that socialism is now here in America and yes yet again we ave dopes who cannot even admit they are now socialist and support socialism

6 posted on 07/08/2012 7:21:50 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Nachum

Just imagine ... the TSA goons that will be running your FEMA camp will also be running your medical care! I’m sure they will be much better at triage than real doctors.


7 posted on 07/08/2012 7:26:58 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Skittle pooping unicorns are more common than progressives with honor & integrity.)
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To: Nachum

When Nazi SS did this was called a crime against humanity...


8 posted on 07/08/2012 7:37:28 PM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: manc

I know exactly how you feel...I’m originally from canada.

It’s worse back there. Nowadays, they wheel you before surgery in the middle of the hallway and leave you there and that’s what happened to my aunt in Saskatchewan. PLUS, the “panel” from the province deemed her too expensive to operate on, but due to the federal govt’s promise of treatment she suffered in pain for months.

We literally flew her to the States for treatment. What’s worse? the idiotic canadian govt billed her for going to America. I could not believe to this day the gall of these bastards. Now this is coming to America. i escaped canada socialism now I have to pay the price here. The irony.


9 posted on 07/08/2012 7:38:10 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Nachum
I'm gratified to know that none of the Kennedys,OsamaObama,nor Soros will ever be intentionally neglected to death in a US hospital.

I'm far less optimistic regarding my fate and the fates of my children and grandchildren.

10 posted on 07/08/2012 7:47:34 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Nachum

People in Great Britain will never learn either.


11 posted on 07/08/2012 7:51:25 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: manc

As Jane Fonda would say, “We are all socialists now,” but you can be sure she has her own private health care arrangements free of pesky liberals like herself.


12 posted on 07/08/2012 7:54:56 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: manc
my mother lives there and has been refused knee surgery, she Doc had to appeal to a 3 board panel in London, hundreds of miles away.After two years of messing about she gets her surgery but then tells me that she has to call the day before.

Twenty days after having made my first call to a surgeon's office to arrange a consultation I,an ordinary...anything-but-rich...anything-but powerful (or "connected") American,was in the recovery room of a major Boston hospital sporting a new piece of titanium where my hip once was.

Those days will continue forever for the "beautiful" people of this nation.....

13 posted on 07/08/2012 7:57:16 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: zot

Death panels anyone?


14 posted on 07/08/2012 9:20:24 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

Death panels for the politically incorrect. Like us. Those favored by the administration will receive treatment.


15 posted on 07/08/2012 9:35:54 PM PDT by zot
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Many the thirty somethings who worshop obama have parents who are getting close to the death panel age. I hope they’re happy.


16 posted on 07/08/2012 9:38:32 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: Terry Mross

YEP....some will be in for a RUDE awakening...


17 posted on 07/08/2012 9:47:51 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: Nachum

I used to correspond with a woman there who got denied treatment. She went full throttle investigating and agitating. However, when it came down to it she said the SYSTEM was great until the Tories got in power and that it was all the fault of this insurance company called APTOS. Ultimately she started blaming the USA. That was it. I never corresponded with her again. Point is, people on the Left, still blaming private companies and America for things going wrong in THEIR beloved healthcare system.Pfft.


18 posted on 07/08/2012 11:40:47 PM PDT by Anima Mundi (ENVY IS JUST PASSIVE, LAZY GREED)
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To: Nachum

Justice Roberts welcomes commiecare death panels to the Socialist States of America .


19 posted on 07/09/2012 5:13:15 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Well the thing says “final days” which means they are going to die anyway. This has nothing to do with needing a heart transplant or something. This means that you die naturally a few hours or days before dying with medication. This does not seem as cruel as some make it out to be.


20 posted on 07/09/2012 6:36:28 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
Everybody is going to die anyway.

They are deciding when that anyway will be.

So you come in with a severe stomach bug but since "you are going to die anyway" they just neglect to give you any care and yep, you die. See how that works?

A 22 year old after surgery was not given his medication and not given any hydration. Those were Kane Gorny's "final days". So no harm no foul. Perfectly ok.

We will just overlook the fact that if he had received his medication and water he would likely have lived.

Then there was 18 year old Laura Garner who came in with an infection. They not only did not treat her but they also left her unobserved for 11 hours despite a raging fever and refused permission for her mom to be with her.

These was her "final days" no worrys!

21 posted on 07/09/2012 7:07:49 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Dragons don't have friends. The nearest they can get to the idea is an enemy who is still alive.)
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To: GreyFriar
"The decision to use the pathway should involve patients and family members, and a patient's condition should be closely monitored. If, as sometimes happens, a patient improves, they are taken off the LCP and given whatever treatments best suit their new needs."
Once you remove a bed-ridden patient from fluids and sedate them (the pathway) its only a matter of days before a bed opens up. There's not going to be an improvement. The only thing to "best suit their new needs" will be a casket.
22 posted on 07/09/2012 7:35:21 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: max americana
sickening isn;t it that we know how Canada's and the Uk’s health care system works and still have folks over there but the dummies over here who support this show their ignorance over this issue and support it all because they think their messiah tells his cult the truth.

Because of their dumb ignorance and stupidity then millions of others have to suffer in the future and pay for this.

I left there because of how big Govt works, those socialists who refuse to call themselves socialists over here haven't got the brains to actually do their own research or go and live in the UK or Canada for over 3 years.

Maybe if they got the brains to go over there and live under big Govt then they would understand how big Govt gets in the way/

Look at the fools who support the smoking ban in NY city, yea they support this but now they go after soda they say it's going to far.

Typical, they will ban what they do not use but as soon as they ban what they do use they don't like big Govt

23 posted on 07/09/2012 10:44:47 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: napscoordinator

trust me , seeing my family be refused medical services in the UK is cruel no matter what service it is.

Seeing an old woman who can’t walk hardly be refused her knee surgery for years because she is now 82 is sickening.

Those stupid dumb idiotic socialists out there supporting this might wake up when they get older or see their family suffer and be put into a hospice .

I’ve seen two now put into a hospice through the Govt and this is the crap liberals , really called socialists want.

obama voters plain stupid and dumb and his speech saying the jobs report was good and hearing hsi cult cheer was a typical demonstration of the obama voters are stupid and with no brains


24 posted on 07/09/2012 10:49:25 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

“sickening isn;t it that we know how Canada’s and the Uk’s health care system works and still have folks over there but the dummies over here who support this show their ignorance over this issue and support it all because they think their messiah tells his cult the truth.”

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You have no idea how many times I had to “correct” liberal idiots here in America who want to go to Canada because healthcare is “FREE”.

Seriously. I can’t wait til’ they move to anti-American hotbeds like Vancouver or Toronto, and they’ll be in for a rude awakening.


25 posted on 07/09/2012 2:51:57 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: max americana
you and I both with trying to explain what Govt health care is about and how it really isn't free.

Most of these dopes say “wow you guys have free health care that great”

er no we do not , someone is paying , just look at the tax's we have, with VAT with national insurance and all taken out right away and you don't see that money you worked for.

usually after saying all of this and saying how long the waiting list is and how you can be refused they say that is not good but still support it.

I swear the obama voters will down in history as the dumbest voters this country has ever produced and the sad part is that they cannot even see it and tell each other how smart they are and how cultural they are etc bla bla bla.

26 posted on 07/09/2012 5:55:57 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

“er no we do not , someone is paying”

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Correct. They’re simply called monthly premiums’. IF you forget to pay your monthly, the gubmint’ basically dings your credit report AND will attempt to arrest you, I kid you not.

But, but..the so-called “good” part is that if you can show to the provincial govt you have NO MONEY, they can waive it for you. Here with Obamacare, it’s not explained. The IRS will still be able to reach into your savings account and grab it.


27 posted on 07/09/2012 8:01:07 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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