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If BHO is reelected, Time for Texas to Secede (Vanity)
July 7, 2012 | no dems

Posted on 07/07/2012 10:55:47 AM PDT by no dems

Being a native-born Texan, it is my understanding that Texas is the only State in the Union that can legally secede from the Union, because it was once a Republic on it's own. (The Republic of Texas.)

Now, someone help me out here: Is that a fact? If so, I'm calling on all Texas FReepers to join me in laying the groundwork to make it happen if Barack Obama is reelected. What do we need to do to start a Secession Movement, and where do we begin? If you're not a Texan, you don't understand the Texas mind-set. If BHO is reelected, I guarantee you that Texas would vote 60% - 40% FOR Secession. Even Governor Perry has talked about Texas seceding. LET'S FRIGGIN' DO IT!!!


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To: DallasSun

Thanks.

I don’t have enough room for a Six Flags over Texas - type of display in my front yard.


151 posted on 07/07/2012 1:29:28 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Melas

There you go.

152 posted on 07/07/2012 1:31:46 PM PDT by itsahoot (The Political Elites are the modern Royals, and the king shall have his due.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

If I moved to Texas and was granted residency, I would consider myself a Texan.


153 posted on 07/07/2012 1:31:57 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: null and void

Perhaps you can explain something to me.

As you point out, I’ve had considerable discussions with those supporting the notion that Obama is ineligible to the presidency.

I have, possibly with rare exceptions, always treated them as if their position was honestly held and therefore worthy of respect, even though I disagree.

Many of them, as you illustrate here, have not responded in a similar fashion. Why do you think that is?


154 posted on 07/07/2012 1:32:33 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
How do you run a government of the people, by the people and for the people when 40% of those people are adamantly opposed to your government?

You're assuming that the 40% that would vote against it wouldn't accept it. That is, just because they don't really like the idea doesn't mean they would be opposed to it.

There are people who really wouldn't care, provided a) the government leaves them alone for the most part, and b) they have access to justice (or at least no blocking of it).

155 posted on 07/07/2012 1:32:44 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: wardaddy

Yep. I don’t miss him in the slightest.


156 posted on 07/07/2012 1:33:03 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1263 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Sherman Logan

I see this is in the 1845 Texas Constitution.

What about the 1876 Constitution, the one enacted for re-admission to the Union.

That is the current constitution, so, does the 1876 Constitution have that same language? I can’t find it.

Appreciate the assist.


157 posted on 07/07/2012 1:34:57 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Sherman Logan

Perhaps they have been abraded by ones who are not as honest as you?


158 posted on 07/07/2012 1:35:58 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1263 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: OneWingedShark

You are quite right. Those who refuse to accept it at all, perhaps with violent opposition, would be a subset of those who voted against it.

But the question still exists. It is very difficult for a government based on the consent of the people to have legitimacy if a large minority of the people disapprove.

Or at least more so than for governments basing their legitimacy on some other principle.


159 posted on 07/07/2012 1:36:48 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
It is very difficult for a government based on the consent of the people to have legitimacy if a large minority of the people disapprove.

Odd. Obama makes it look effortless, between rounds of golf and vacations...

160 posted on 07/07/2012 1:38:47 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1263 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Melas
Just curious as well, using your definition, would a child with an unknown father be eligible to president?

Odd that you asked since we already have one. Without medical testing few people know for sure who their biological father is, especially in the promiscuous society we have today.

161 posted on 07/07/2012 1:38:58 PM PDT by itsahoot (The Political Elites are the modern Royals, and the king shall have his due.)
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To: X-spurt

Right, got carried away, 500,000 was what I was aiming for:)I stand corrected on that part but stand by the rest of my rant:)


162 posted on 07/07/2012 1:40:41 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Melas

Louisiana isn’t allowed to make a single penny from the state’s oil reserves. It is forced to be a socialist state, when it should be one of the wealthiest in the nation.


163 posted on 07/07/2012 1:41:14 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Celtic Cross

Need to quit Borgartin that joint my friend.

Loving “war games” means you would not love the real thing?

So you, in some self claiming Viking “gamer” mentality, think it’ll be Texas against the world? Guess you don’t read FR much. On a more level-headed hand, I suspect if it ever came to secession, the only States not seceding would be the liberal coasts and a few other handout states, who within 2 years would be begging the new USA to save their butts, economically and literally.

I personally don’t think Texas would actually leave our beloved America, because it will never be made necessary, but never say NEVER. Even nobama will never push that far, the key to remember is that the liberals and their holder’s people co-hearts do not value your and my life so much, but they damn sure value their own. Second thing to consider why secession will not become necessary, is that liberalism is more an acedemic rather than real world exercise.


164 posted on 07/07/2012 1:42:25 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Hulka

That link was in the congressional resolution offering entry to Union to Texas. I have no idea what the Texas Constition may say on the issue.

There’s an interesting story about the TX resolution.

Several attempts were made to admit Texas by a treaty between the US and Texas. They failed because they couldn’t get a 2/3 majority in the Senate.

So they did an end-around by means of an arguably unconstitutional joint resolution of Congress, which required only a simple majority in each house. The Constitution of course has no provision for a treaty-by-another-name to be pushed through by means of a resolution.


165 posted on 07/07/2012 1:43:51 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Well, there’s the answer.

Draw circles around Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin. Austin, as the capital, gets to be the “State of Texas.” Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio are their own new states and can petition the Union for entry.

Everything outside of those four circles is a new state, which refuses to petition the Union for entry. Republic of Texas ... or whatever.


166 posted on 07/07/2012 1:45:34 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: OneWingedShark
Therein lies the problem. You see yourself as an American citizen, giving your allegiance to the federal government instead of your State; this is much like a German/Frenchman/Englishman giving his allegiance to the EU rather than his country.

Not even remotely comparable. My father served in the United States Army in WWII. My brother served in the United States Air Force in Viet Nam. I served in the United States Navy during peacetime. We are or were as the case may be, Americans.

One must emigrate from Germany to France. It's quite a process that involves dissolving prior allegiances and swearing to new ones, with a host of other legalities and responsibilities thrown in just because.

To get from South Carolina to Colorado (as my father did in 1946) required a bus ticket and $50 in his pocket. He never even actually applied for a driver's license until the 50's. Things were much rougher for me moving from Colorado to Texas in the 1990's. Horrors, I had 90 days to get a new driver's license.

It's not 1820 anymore. Currently my immediate family, counting only siblings and children are in Colorado, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas. Looking ahead 10 years, only my wife and I plan on residing in the same state. It's a mobile American population, and state citizenship means little. That's just a fact of the 21st century. Love it or hate it, it's a fact.

167 posted on 07/07/2012 1:49:57 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas
You couldn’t fly a stealthed sparrow over a USA military installation,

Tell that to God, as I'm sure his sparrows are constantly flying over military installations w/o being noticed.

168 posted on 07/07/2012 1:51:14 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I have had much the same experience, I am sorry to say. I am usually told to “go back to DU”....to which I have never been.


169 posted on 07/07/2012 1:51:26 PM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: itsahoot

That made my day just seeing it. Thanks.


170 posted on 07/07/2012 1:53:09 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

When I go somewhere for 3 months, I still consider my self as a citizen of Texas and don’t post Ariz-Cal’s flag. Find it mighty curious, although more inline with the attitude..

Wouldn’t be trying to bullshit a bullshitter now would you?


171 posted on 07/07/2012 1:53:13 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: no dems

Texas seceded once already. It wasn’t allowed


172 posted on 07/07/2012 1:53:45 PM PDT by Figment
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To: no dems

I would argue that in addition to Texas, any State that existed prior to the constitution would have the historical legal groundwork for secession. Once again we would have to face a president who would provoke war amongst his own people.


173 posted on 07/07/2012 1:54:10 PM PDT by Southron77
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To: DallasSun

You heard me!!!!! Discounting secession only enables the entitlement crowd. They love my tax dollars.


174 posted on 07/07/2012 1:57:17 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Texas Fossil

I want no part of talk of secession. I want it all back and the Commie Bastards who are ruining the nation in Jail.
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Good luck. We can’t even get a lying, deceiving, murdering, racist Attorney General out of office.


175 posted on 07/07/2012 1:57:20 PM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: Celtic Cross

You’d be a resident of Texas not automatically a Texan. Being a Texan is a state of mind and position of birth.

I once encountered a FReeper who said he was a former Texan. (Ain’t no such animal.) He lived in California but he was a native-born Texan. I told him he is and always will be a Texan - no matter where he resides. He stopped calling himself a former Texan.

My children promise that no matter where they live, they will ensure that my grandchildren are born on Texas soil.


176 posted on 07/07/2012 1:58:55 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Melas

Well then, move to Chicago.


177 posted on 07/07/2012 2:00:27 PM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: Melas
Mel, don't know where you got you figures, but Wyoming may have the 48th ranking in number of citizens, but you obviously have not seen the coal trains lined up 5 abreast going and coming day and night 365 to make the claim it may be out produced by Vermont.
178 posted on 07/07/2012 2:00:44 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: wardaddy
it is a liberal argument bolstered by liberals and race baiters and folks here who have no clue in the culture war.

I'm either paranoid, or you're talking about me. Since you've told me that I have no clue about the culture war, I'll guess the latter.

I think it's an important point to make (the takers/givers) not because of liberal or conservative politics but because of the made up rural/urban divide. It's no divide. Better than four out of five people live in urban or suburban areas.

I see the anti-urban bias here at FR in much the same light that you see the see bias against people with money, which you have commented on. Don't even get me started on the bias against the educated.

179 posted on 07/07/2012 2:00:55 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Sherman Logan
The only difference I can see is that TX can split itself without congressional approval. But then the new states would still have to petition for entry into the Union.

Then the answer is clear: split into separate states, but don't apply for entry into the Union. Thereby having a defacto succession.

180 posted on 07/07/2012 2:01:04 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

A Texan, yes. A native, no. I’ve been here for close to 20 years, and barring a vacation death, this is where I’ll die.


181 posted on 07/07/2012 2:02:11 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: wastedyears

“Bring arms manufacturing to TX, and I’m talking about heavy duty stuff.”

You mean like Lockheed-Martin (the builders of the F-35 and F-16), or Triumph Aerostructures (Vought Aircraft Division), Goodrich (ejection seat manufacturer). . .those sorts of guys?

;-)


182 posted on 07/07/2012 2:04:04 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Celtic Cross; All

the federal government....would bring massive firepower to bear against Texas.....And Texas alone would not be able to defend itself successfully.

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Do you have any idea how many Army Posts, Air Force Bases and Coast Guard Bases we have in Texas?


183 posted on 07/07/2012 2:05:03 PM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: greene66; All

In the past six months, I’ve seen more “Secede” bumper stickers here in Texas than Obama or Romney stickers.

It’s always been a somewhat tongue-in-cheek proposition, but after the past few months of Obama’s lawlessness on illegal aliens, the faggotization of the military, and the recent Obamacare ruling turning citizens into serfs of the government... in which America is obviously in total and accelerating decay, well, I’m starting to look at secession as a very, very valid option.
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Hell yeah. Don’t Mess With Texas!!!


184 posted on 07/07/2012 2:07:09 PM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: Melas

Then you’re a Texan. So stop flyin’ Arizona’s flag or I’m gonna start callin’ ya a traitor.


185 posted on 07/07/2012 2:08:20 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: chris37

I’ll move there......Texas is really hot though
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That’s why God, on the 8th Day, created Air Conditioners.


186 posted on 07/07/2012 2:08:41 PM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: no dems

Many, don’t have the number at hand.

Most all are federal troops, and if the federal government (president) nationalizes the Guard and Reserve, they would all be federal troops.

And the logistics, support and supply-train that is necessary to field a modern army/air force is enormous and if interrupted, the troops would be slowed, if not stopped, within days.


187 posted on 07/07/2012 2:09:24 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: DallasSun

Happy to hear it! Now get away from Dallas once in a while to replentish the Texas thinking.

Don’t mean to pee on your parade, but its pretty common understanding that anytime someone has to brag about how mean they are its just brag, no fact.


188 posted on 07/07/2012 2:10:12 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: catfish1957

Ref. your Post #51: You go Catfish!! Hell yeah!


189 posted on 07/07/2012 2:10:27 PM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Great minds and all ...


190 posted on 07/07/2012 2:10:27 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: no dems

And on the 9th day he created Salt Lick (http://www.saltlickbbq.com/)


191 posted on 07/07/2012 2:12:07 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: BuckeyeTexan

A Texan, yes. A native, no. I’ve been here for close to 20 years, and barring a vacation death, this is where I’ll die.


192 posted on 07/07/2012 2:16:03 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas
Not even remotely comparable.

Yes they are; the Articles of Confederation expressly state that the States are Sovereign States. The Articles, furthermore are part of the organic law of the United States; but if that isn't enough read the 10th amendment. The right of secession is not denied to the States by the Constitution, nor is it given to the federal government to prevent such secession, therefore it must remain with the States themselves or the people. (See the cites in this paper.)

My father served in the United States Army in WWII. My brother served in the United States Air Force in Viet Nam. I served in the United States Navy during peacetime. We are or were as the case may be, Americans.

By virtue of being citizens of your State, and your State being a member of the United States, yes. No one here is saying differently.

One must emigrate from Germany to France. It's quite a process that involves dissolving prior allegiances and swearing to new ones, with a host of other legalities and responsibilities thrown in just because.

Ah, and when you move, changing States, you don't have to re-register your voting location? Re-license your vehicles? Just because our system's streamlined it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. (Just because you don't have to do it right away doesn't mean you don't have to do it.)

It's a mobile American population, and state citizenship means little. That's just a fact of the 21st century. Love it or hate it, it's a fact.

And like I said, that's precisely the problem. You equate 'mobile' with "state citizenship means little."
In so doing you demean the State and align yourself with the Federal.

193 posted on 07/07/2012 2:17:12 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: X-spurt

Read it again. I clearly said that Wyoming out produced Vermont. I will retract my statement that it barely out produced Vermont. It does so by a solid $12b. Initially it just didn’t seem like much on the chart dominated by states with trillion dollar economies.


194 posted on 07/07/2012 2:17:54 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: no dems
My understanding is that Texas can secede "with conditions." Maybe somebody here knows all the conditions, but I know two of them:

1) Texas must defer to the U.S. regarding all questions of foreign policy, immigation and national defense; and

2) All Texas citizens must continue to pay U.S taxes.

195 posted on 07/07/2012 2:20:05 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Sherman Logan

You can run a dictatorship or a monarchy/tyranny on such a basis, but not a civil society or republic.
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We still have The Republic of Texas Constitution of 1845. Don’t say it’ outdated. It’s not as “old” as the Constitution of the United States.


196 posted on 07/07/2012 2:20:21 PM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: Secret Agent Man; All

Why do we have to be the ones to leave?!? Let them leave or rot in jail.
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Your comment would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic. Let “them” rot in jail??? Bulls**t. We can’t even get rid of a crooked, racist, lying, Communist, nefarious Attorney General.


197 posted on 07/07/2012 2:23:52 PM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Ah, and when you move, changing States, you don't have to re-register your voting location? Re-license your vehicles? Just because our system's streamlined it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. (Just because you don't have to do it right away doesn't mean you don't have to do it.)

It's still not even remotely comparable. If I emigrate from the USA and become a citizen of Singapore, I lose my U.S. citizenship. It's gone, and I'm unlikely to ever get it back. Hell, looking at recent headlines, the USA may not ever even allow me to re-enter the country for a visit. I can go back to Colorado and become a citizen any time I wish. I can become a brand new citizen of Alabama, or California on a whim.

State citizenship, unlike national citizenship carries absolutely no requirements of allegiance. Nothing is surrendered moving from state to state, and nothing special is granted. The same cannot be said when expatriating.

198 posted on 07/07/2012 2:27:31 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: wastedyears

You are joking right? Texan National Guard protecting ExxonMobile’s contracts in Qatar? And ATT left out of serving rest of the 49 States? It would be those corporations who move OUT of Texas.


199 posted on 07/07/2012 2:29:45 PM PDT by sagar
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To: no dems
We still have The Republic of Texas Constitution of 1845. Don’t say it’ outdated. It’s not as “old” as the Constitution of the United States.

Forget outdated. It's null and void. It's the legal equivalent of the Articles of Confederation that bound the U.S. states between 1781 and 1789 when it was replaced with the United States Constitution. The 1845 became null and void when it was replaced by the constitution of 1861. Which was replaced by the constitution of 1866, which was replaced by the constitution 1869, which itself was replaced with the current constitution in 1876. Sorry, the most recent constitution is the binding one, and there is just no getting around that.

200 posted on 07/07/2012 2:34:52 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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