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I strongly disagree with McChrystal. In 1991, we had plenty of high-quality volunteers in the million-strong U.S. military, but then Bush 41 and Clinton did their New World Order/Peace Dividend downsizing and gutted it. The BRACs of the time then slashed our military infrastructure, leaving it a shadow of its former self.

And I guess McChrystal has forgotten how dysfunctional the draft system was during the Vietnam War, which led to the volunteer military in the first place.

So I suggest that the problem is not a volunteer military, but the lack of will of our political leaders to WIN, and the crippling rules of engagement that they impose on our service people, thereby extending the GWOT and stressing the force.

1 posted on 07/05/2012 11:51:44 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
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"I think if a nation goes to war, it shouldn't be solely be represented by a professional force, because it gets to be unrepresentative of the population"

What an asinine statement!

2 posted on 07/05/2012 11:53:03 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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Undependable draftees get good soldiers killed.


3 posted on 07/05/2012 11:53:53 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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Translation: Not enough rich, white boys dying in battle.


4 posted on 07/05/2012 11:54:18 AM PDT by nhoward14
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McChrystal and Charley Rangel, one and the same. oonly Rangle wants to bring back the draft and blame it on republicans. Democrats can do that since they follow no rules of logic or intelligence.
6 posted on 07/05/2012 11:55:52 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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Pure voluntary enlistment has, despite incredible malfeasance and misfeasance at the highest levels, produced the most devastating military establishment in the history of mankind.

Let's do everything we can to screw it up.

Diversity uber alles!!!

8 posted on 07/05/2012 11:56:48 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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Next time you are in line at Walmart, think about that McChrystal as you survey the young guys with the tatooed arms and legs, nose rings, Mohawk haircuts, eyebrow jewelry and tongue pins.

They might fit in pretty well with an army of Huns or Goths based on appearance, but when the chips are down, they Huns or Goths would kick their sorry butts out of the camp or cut their heads off.


9 posted on 07/05/2012 11:56:48 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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I believe you are absolutely correct. Don’t need a draft.


10 posted on 07/05/2012 11:57:07 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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Will women be included in such a draft, I wonder? If they are not the feminist lobby would go berserk.


11 posted on 07/05/2012 11:57:41 AM PDT by Conservaliberty (25 and conservative. I guess I have no heart, Oh, well, makes shooting the bad guys easier.)
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“I think we ought to have a draft. I think if a nation goes to war, it shouldn’t be solely be represented by a professional force, because it gets to be unrepresentative of the population,”

This clown was in charge of anything more than a fry vat?


12 posted on 07/05/2012 11:58:36 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Future generations will curse what we've done to them.)
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I am going to be a war protester next time around.

We no longer enter wars to win.

We enter wars to apologize and waste lives and treasure.

13 posted on 07/05/2012 11:59:20 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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I think when you graduate from high school everyone should enter the military and spend at least two years. I also thing that all officers should have to serve time as and enlisted person


14 posted on 07/05/2012 12:01:26 PM PDT by jrd (DO AWAY WITH THE EPA)
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And of course, men should be forced to bunk with open homosexuals... < /sarc >

How about if Barack Hussein Obama were to go through basic training at least ONCE in his life since he HAS ZERO MILITARY EXPERIENCE and became Commander in Chief.


19 posted on 07/05/2012 12:06:13 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Fools.Damn fools.Welcome to the USSA. Socialism is slavery to the State and the Supreme Court did it)
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I agree with all yo u said but think you far to kind and easy on the General. The idea a military oughtn’t to be the finast it can be and able to win, ALWAYS, is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard. This speech was written by Obama for McCrystal.

You will recall Rangle not long ago called for a return of the draft. The reason was obvious. It will give the liberals yet another talking point and a club to beat the anti fight for anything drums. They will as they did before cite the draft as “unfair” having far more minorities then is represented in the general population and on and on.

You don’t fix it if it ain’t broke unless you are looking for an issue to poltiticize and that’s what we see here.


24 posted on 07/05/2012 12:11:42 PM PDT by scram2
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No.


25 posted on 07/05/2012 12:14:43 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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Vietnam is not the only yard stick by which we can measure the combat effectiveness of conscripts. We can also look at Korea and WW2 and draw a much different conclusion. We all know that Vietnam era warfighting was plagued by much more than just unmotivated draftees. It’s political suicide to even discuss it of course but the fact is, any major war waged against a credible threat(s) will require a draft like it or not. If we’re unwilling or unable to even bring it up, we have no business entering such a war and should just rely on bombs and ICBMs.


26 posted on 07/05/2012 12:15:30 PM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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He’s probably worried about the gays in the military.


29 posted on 07/05/2012 12:17:13 PM PDT by HarleyD
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The draft is a way for government to steal the labor and lives of citizens. At most its use is justified in the case of an existential threat to the nation, which is not the case today.

The left used to scold the rest of us that we were “not paying the full price of the oil we imported”. A draft allows government to put a large part of the cost of our defense off on to others. In order to make rational public policy decisions we must force government to pay the full market price for everything that it presses into its service.

Moreover, having nearly free manpower for its armed forces allows government to think going to war costs far less than it does. The Vietnam war cost the lives of tens of thousands of people who would not otherwise have been in a position to die. Had Johnson been forced to pay the full cost in blood for that war, he would have conducted it far more differently. And this is not accounting for the blood shed by the Communists or the civilians who died as a consequence.

My opinion is that a draft FOR ANY REASON (even to be a civilian Obama brownshirt corps assigned to building solar powered wildlife shelters), apart from a substantial DECLARED war is a gross “taking” of the lives and time of citizens.


31 posted on 07/05/2012 12:17:45 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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Why General?

So you can have the inferior catch the bullets while the professional force drops in behind lines?


35 posted on 07/05/2012 12:21:14 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live thnrough it anyway)
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That’ll go over well... forcing young Americans to “join up” with the new, politically correct, homo-friendly military.


36 posted on 07/05/2012 12:23:27 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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it shouldn't be solely be represented by a professional force, because it gets to be unrepresentative of the population

Huh? We need to fill the military with crackheads, bath-salt zombies and moochers? Yea, that should really make things so much better.

37 posted on 07/05/2012 12:23:49 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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