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The Most Sensible Tax of All (Massive Carbon Tax Set for Zero's 2nd Term)
New York Slimes ^
| 7/4/2012
| YORAM BAUMAN and SHI-LING HSU
Posted on 07/05/2012 10:10:16 AM PDT by mojito
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Why reduce the size of the state when you can grow it and grow it and grow it in pursuit of economy-destroying utopian schemes justified with dubious, hysterical science?
You can tell where this is headed. The left is already in a lather at the prospect of a 2nd Zero term. When I exhale, that's an emission. I'm waiting for Zero's 2nd term when he proposes a breathing tax to be implemented by executive fiat. The Roberts' court has already said that such a tax is constitutional. Add that to the ruling that said the EPA can do whatever it likes to regulate carbon dioxide "pollution" and you can see that your days of liberty are numbered.
Welcome to tyranny. Have a happy, emission-free day!
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posted on
07/05/2012 10:10:20 AM PDT
by
mojito
To: mojito
“This was good news not only for the environment but for nearly everyone who pays taxes in British Columbia, because the carbon tax is used to reduce taxes for individuals and businesses.”
What happens when the energy companies raise their rates?
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posted on
07/05/2012 10:19:30 AM PDT
by
ryan71
To: mojito
Someone there actually believes that the House will propose & pass such a tax?
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posted on
07/05/2012 10:21:26 AM PDT
by
bill1952
(Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
To: ryan71
What about the Carbon Based Life Forms infesting the Enterprise?
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posted on
07/05/2012 10:22:40 AM PDT
by
massgopguy
(I owe everything to George Bailey)
To: ryan71
The cost of heating a home in BC is substantial in winter. Some will have to go without heat this winter.
These creeps are nuts.
To: mojito
The United States should jump at the chance to adopt a similar revenue-neutral tax swap.If it's really revenue-neutral, then doing nothing at all is a more sensible option.
To: mojito
The United States should jump at the chance to adopt a similar revenue-neutral tax swap The US should jump at the idea of a tax on lies in the media.
To: mojito
“The United States should jump at the chance to adopt a similar revenue-neutral tax swap. Its an opportunity to reduce existing taxes, clean up the environment and increase personal freedom and energy security.”
I have never, in my adult life, ever read such a moronic and utter falsehood in my life. The fecking Commies at they dying rag NYT want war, they may get it. Reduce taxes? Carbon HELPS the eco-system. Personal freedom incrased? By whom, bicyclists? Energy security? For whom, Solyndra or Lightsquared?
This is Commie garbage...
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posted on
07/05/2012 10:28:26 AM PDT
by
wac3rd
(Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers.....)
To: mojito
Just another reason to vote Obama out, and as many Democrats in the House and Senate that we can muster! And we can point to this tax, along with all the new Obamacare taxes, as good reasons to defeat him, when talking to our friends, family, etc.
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posted on
07/05/2012 10:33:45 AM PDT
by
SuziQ
To: bill1952
House Schmouse. In the past I would have thought you were correct. But this isn't coming through those old-fashioned, irrelevant and silly constitutional niceties of the past. How passe.
We're in a new "post-constitutioanl" era where the left can do whatever it likes (thank you Justice Roberts). The EPA can “regulate” carbon, and by regulate they can impose fines. The CJ just ruled that there's no difference anymore between fines or penalties, and taxes.
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posted on
07/05/2012 10:34:35 AM PDT
by
mojito
To: mojito
One of the authors Bauman, is a Left Wing economic comic:
http://www.standupeconomist.com/
The NYT is running out of lies and resources...dipping into the hipster comedians?
LOL
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posted on
07/05/2012 10:41:09 AM PDT
by
wac3rd
(Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers.....)
To: mojito
Substituting a carbon tax for some of our current taxes on payroll, on investment, on businesses and on workers is a no-brainer. Yes, it is, and not in the way the authors apparently mean. "Sensible" is a liberal code word for "it sounds reasonable, so no need to actually think about it."
To: mojito
The drafters of this Canadian brainstorm have a talking point to use: the tax should encourage businesses to switch to NON carbon and NON fossil based energy generation, and thereby save a fortune in corporate income taxes at the same time!
Trouble is the “Law of Unintended Consequences” has not been repealed! Fossil fuel and energy generated from it is relatively cheap. Nuclear power isn't going to be an alternative, only very expensive and very inefficient “renewable energy” will be tax exempt. Business and industry needs energy to do what they do... and so they will do it elsewhere.
BC will lose its manufacturing base, as energy prices climb, and corporate taxes remain static, or are increased to make up for revenue loss due to business flight from the province. The result? Less revenue, more unemployment, and another unintended utopian economic disaster.
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posted on
07/05/2012 10:44:51 AM PDT
by
Richard Axtell
(Take that... Statist Slime!)
To: mojito
As I've said here before; B.C.'s Carbon Tax among the least bad things that government's do to "fight global warming". (There can be no "good" solutions to a problem that does not exist.)
As the article points out, the tax was designed to be "revenue neutral" -- other taxes were cut by an amount equal to the amount collected by the carbon tax. The leftists, and greens wanted the tax to be earmarked for "green energy" projects -- which would have resulted in a lot of waste. Our (nominally) right-wing "Liberal Party" government insisted that the money go to general revenue, and be used to reduce other taxes.
I say "least bad"; because there are many worse ways for governments to intervene: cap and trade; bans on light bulbs, etc.; CAFE standards for vehicles; subsidies for "green energy" industries; etc. This particular carbon tax is the least bad, because it does the least to distort the market; and because the revenues are used to reduce other taxes.
We are likely to get a socialist (NDP) government after the next provincial election. Soon after, I expect that the revenues from the carbon tax will be used for "green energy", and general taxes will rise sharply. In that event; the carbon tax will become just plain "bad" -- perhaps one of the worst government interventions.
To: mojito
We need to work to ensure that the carbon life forms at the White House are exchanged for different ones.
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posted on
07/05/2012 10:49:00 AM PDT
by
HereInTheHeartland
("The writing is on the wall - Unions are screwed. reformist2 10:04 PM #27")
To: mojito
"[G]overnment's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases:
If it moves, tax it.
If it keeps moving, regulate it.
And if it stops moving, subsidize it"
- Ronald Reagan
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posted on
07/05/2012 10:54:55 AM PDT
by
Bratch
To: Bratch
Now we can have the Volt tax and everyone who doesn;t own one can be fined.
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posted on
07/05/2012 11:00:19 AM PDT
by
GraceG
To: Disambiguator
"If it's really revenue-neutral"
That's a really big "if". In fact it's so big I would never trust the accounting used to deem the swap "revenue neutral".
To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
We are likely to get a socialist (NDP) government after the next provincial election. Why? Haven't things been getting better under Harper or is that the reason?
A carbon tax has one advantage: It is effectively a sales tax that is easier and less invasive to collect but for one use I can think of: How do they collect a carbon tax from people who heat their homes with wood?
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posted on
07/05/2012 11:23:40 AM PDT
by
Carry_Okie
(The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
To: ryan71
What happens when the energy companies raise their rates?Green Energy Leaves 800.000 Germans In The Dark
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2900935/posts
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posted on
07/05/2012 11:32:18 AM PDT
by
TurboZamboni
(Looting the future to bribe the present)
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