Posted on 07/03/2012 12:09:58 PM PDT by Perdogg
In the days since the Supreme Court decision upholding Obamacare, some Democrats and commentators in the press have suggested that Mitt Romney is declaring a “cease-fire” on the issue and will no longer make it a centerpiece of his campaign to defeat President Obama.
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May I, respectfully, ask, who is the alternative?
She asked a simple question.
You didn’t give her an answer.
Try again.
Guess what, when people vote in elections the outcome is not always going to be what you want. If that means to you every election is fraudulent, you’ll fit right in at DU, and why bother posting anything if all Is decided in advance?
That’s your answer? Almost laughable.
“— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — “
I love this passage. However, what do you propose we do, short of taking up arms?
I’m serious, Jim. How do we get where we need to be, and fix this nation, with Obama as president?
I love that! Thank you for posting it!
That’s exactly what Reagan did— it was called choosing a less then wholly conservative to be on his ticket, practically assuring HW the Presidency in ‘88. it was called pragmatism.
Exactly what people on FR today call “selling out”. Would Reagan be a RINO under this definition?
And where would we be right now with Gore or Kerry because (your words) Bush was a disaster?
Then, respectfully, could you please tell me how my family survives another 4 years of Obama? Because I just don’t think we can. Some times, no matter what, my family comes first. And voting conservative down ticket won’t help with a President that rules by executive order.
“Compared to that Marxist POS Kenyan he’ll be a dramatic improvement however.”
The one question the Romney bots refuse to answer is how so? The man’s legislative record is indistinguishable from a flaming liberal and he is a sickening pathological liar.
His first term was just as terrible. Free pills for granny, No Child Left Behind, Billions for AIDS in Africa and so forth.
In other words, “We started getting all kinds of negative feedback from donors, so we’re walking back the walk back on repealing ObamaCare until after the election is over.”
You think that Bambi isn't the worst, most divisive, most destructive, most pro-Marxist, most pro-muzzie, most anti-American, most pro-death, most hateful to everything we love administration ever?
I suppose you think it's just a ruse, that when we wake up virtually every day to some new outrage by this administration that it's all just made up as a "big party threat", as a "vote for us or die" fraud to get us angry, just another pitch to the great unwashed about "the lesser of two weevils" and it's only schtick to fool us. Nothing to see here, just move on, right?
What planet have you been living on? Oh right, that new one they found called Stupider.......
............................................ You make a good point AB.
The sore loserman syndrome has not quite been fully extinguished here.
There are still those cry babies who didn't get their way who are still willing to keep supporting obamba just because their guy didn't win. Short sighted,ignorant and just plain dumb is all you can say about these idiots.
The sad thing is these people who constantly decry how imperfect Romney is and truth be know he was not the first choice of most of us, ignore the process of how we elect a president.That alone is terribly naive. Neither side, conservatives or liberals are happy with the process. But, it is what it is!! Many need to learn to live with it! You can't ignore how the process of electing a potus has evolved and what it has turned into.But you can ask yourself what did I do to help change it.
More importantly for all the Diogenesis and other losers that constantly cry about how their guy lost, look into the mirror and start taking personal responsibility!! ask yourself how did I fail why didn't Newt win? Being a conservative,a Reagan conservative, is all about personal responsibility!
If you can't look into the mirror and say hey Marco, didn't win,Sarah, Newt,Santorum didn't win because; I was not up to the task, my efforts failed,then you have no right to complain endlessly. Start taking responsibility and start thinking about what you can do about the rino infestation,the huge takeover by the socialists and all the other tyrannical associations there are in modern day politics. Start exposing the lies of the left until "everyone who votes" knows what its going on.
It takes more than verbal complaints sitting at a computer on a conservative website to eradicate emerging communism. You actually have to do something positive.
Start to influence friends, relatives, total strangers as I and many others do. Be a model of conservatism not a constant complainer. No one wants to hear complaints any more we want action. Basically, do something or STFU.
Amen!
Amen!
Reality Check: Obama and Romney, No Real Opposing Views On Healthcare?
{read em and weep}
As a conservative, I’ve voted for many less-conservative-than-me politicians. Romney’s nothing new in that dept.
Here in Texas, Dewhurst is running for Senate vs Ted Cruz. We need Ted Cruz, but I’ve voted for Dewhurst. If you moved Dewhurst to Massachusetts he’d be more liberal than Romney.
Romney does have a more conservative agenda than Bush had in 2000. Bush had NCLB and medicare drug expansion and immigration reform. Romney has Ryan budget, repeal of Obamacare and is against amnesty in his 2012 campaign.
“If we stopped electing liberal republicans 20 years ago”
Actually we DID stop electing liberal republicans in 1992, GHWBush specifically ...
WE GOT CLINTON.
Romney should say: “Yes, I believe the mandate is a penalty, but the Supreme Court said otherwise, so we deal with it on THAT basis, and get the new congress to pass legislation to repeal this bad thing as a `tax`, which I will happily sign.
I’ll tell you one big reason, the POS Kenyan isn’t even an American. He hates this country with every fiber of his soul and if he could he’d completely dismantle every single word of our constitution. Take a close look at the Kenyan’s past and his relationships. He hates America! Romney is not even close to as dangerous as Obama and if you can’t see that then you need help.
Romney is now more conservative than Bush?
Bush was conservative?
lol...
Look, you vote for who ya want...I could care less what you do.
Me personally, I'm never voting for another liberal again...That includes your liberal candidate Romney!
This truly is a relevant question, at least for Diogenesis, as I have asked him a very similar question before, with again, no response (as here).
I asked you before, Diogenesis, if "the country can't survive 4 years of Romney, and we certainly can't survive 4 more years of Obama, then I guess we're screwed right? I mean what's the end game here?" And you didn't respond to me, just as you haven't responded to AB's question of a similar nature here.
Eventually, on the thread I asked you that question, Black Elk chimed in to post in response to my question to you, "RESISTANCE!!! is the end game no matter which major party POS may win."
With all due respect to you (assuming you were satisfied with Black Elk's response to me) and to Black Elk, and to all who would answer such a direct, pragmatic question similarly: That is not a true "end game" plan. It's a nice platitude that sounds good on a discussion forum, but it doesn't offer any real solution, IMO, to the true crisis we face today.
So maybe on that thread you, Diogenesis, missed my question (and maybe missed this one from AB today) because you were getting flamed quite a bit, so I'll repeat it, reworded slightly, "If we can't survive 4 more years of either man, WHAT are we supposed to do? What CAN we do? Should we vote for Tom Hoefling? Virgil Goode? Gary Johnson? Which third party candidate do you support Diogenesis?"
Because really, after all this back and forth of "ABO and FUMR", we can obsess about that until the cows come home, and post multiple photoshops and endless hyperlinks about how "evil" Romney is (and by the way, until AB pointed it out upthread, I never noticed but it's true, you never do post anything negative about Obama, of course, I guess one could argue that's a "given" here on FR but still..I digress)...we can do all that and argue endlessly which one is "more evil" but none of this moves anything forward.
So again, what's your game plan to help save this country, besides posting (either just or unjust) negativities about Romney? What's the game plan, besides posting inspirational platitudes like "RESISTANCE!!! is the end game no matter which major party POS may win."? I'm GENUINELY interested, because quite frankly the SC decision of last week crushed my optimism in the upcoming election.
I absolutely do not believe Romney will do anything substantive to dismantle Obamacare, because you know what, you, Diogenesis are RIGHT when you say Romney is the primary author of Obamacare. Obama so much as admitted (and probably will hammer on this more as the election continues) that his administration used Romneycare as a blueprint for their own plan! Who honestly thinks he (Romney) wants to substantively change it at this point? That's delusional, IMO.
Even given that though, I won't change my mind about voting for him UNLESS I can see a CLEAR path (no matter how long it may take mind you) to SAVING this country without his presidency.
The way I see it now, Romney is the only choice, NOT because he'll do anything to substantively change Obamacare, but because if he's in office, then at LEAST we have a reasonable hope of holding it in check, until true conservatives are elected to Congress, by a supermajority, to rid the nation of such a cancer, WITHOUT the President's "help".
That is, a Romney victory will give momentum to the GOP to perhaps take Congress if not in 2012, but in 2014, or maybe as late as 2016. In that time, those elected to Congress can at least defund it, through House mechanisms, and Romney at least won't try to stop that (I don't believe)
So, we all "get it" about Romney. Speaking for myself, I hold out no hope he personally will do anything of substance (beyond giving his OWN self serving platitudes) to rid us of such a scourge. But at least by voting for him, I can see a clear path to victory to eventually riding the country of that great scourge of socialized medicine. And on top of all that, there are other threats to this great nation besides Obamacare, primarily the broader economic crisis that I do believe Romney will be able to handle much more competently than Obama.
I don't see such a clear path, or any path, by your posts Diogenesis. Again, all you have done is remind us how horrible a "conservative" Romney is, but in your own words the "country can't survive 4 years of Romney" so fine. WHAT is YOUR game plan? Please, again, I'm genuinely interested.
GB as VP had the power to do what exactly? He signed what laws? Is it the fault of Reagan that GB went ‘Read my lips’ liberal post 88?
Noooooooo........
After spending the majority of his political career slamming the very things that Romney has done, I doubt he’s be voting for him.
You see Ronald Reagan was a man who believed in principle. and that’s just the way it is. Good luck claiming Reagan would be a Romneybot. It is but to laugh.
Again, you were asked a question. Days ago. You still will not answer it. YOU don’t get to duck questions, then demand answers to your own.
That’s what liberals do.
So, you're going to vote for someone that may only cares about reaching the White House because it will help him become a god in the next life? Or someone that may be so ruthless, he will lie and do anything to get elected? You know even know or care? That's brilliant!
Exactly what do you think was in his heart when he was CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympics and sought to exclude the Boy Scouts because they wouldn't allow homosexual scoutmasters? What was in his heart when he was attending Planned Parenthood fundraisers as governor of Massachusetts? Or when he took over companies at Bain to vulture their assets and boost the dividends of Bain?
Correct. That is why we can't afford at least another eight years of the nation drifting to the left by putting Romney in the White House.
We must vote build up the most significant conservative majority in Congress and at the state level in recent history and have a infrastructure ready for a conservative leader like Scott Walker in 2017. That is ONLY hope we have of turning the nation around in the next five years.
Remember, starting tomorrow you’re on the corner of Elm and Main for an hour with your Romney sign. Friday night you’re penciled in for the phone bank. Let the campaign know what time you’ll be there. Also, did you get the bumper stickers and have you put them on yet?
If I ever get to California, you’re one SA I’m looking up
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Re: Team Romney: No, we’re not declaring ‘cease-fire’ on Obamacare
From Alas Babylon! | 07/04/2012 4:43:23 AM PDT read
Screw you faggot. I’ll do as I please. Since it bothers you
Suck on it.
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I told ya once right here in open forum to stay out of my PM.
If you can't keep it public, right here on the open forum, I'll just go ahead and post your words, threats and name calling right here.
I have no problem doing that.
Like I said, with all your crying, whining and threats, you're worse than having another wife.
“As a conservative, I’ve voted for many less-conservative-than-me politicians. Romney’s nothing new in that dept.
Here in Texas, Dewhurst is running for Senate vs Ted Cruz. We need Ted Cruz, but I’ve voted for Dewhurst. If you moved Dewhurst to Massachusetts he’d be more liberal than Romney.”
The mere fact that you do not understand the sheer insanity of yous statement is perhaps the chief reason we now have the situation we are in.
There is an open question awaiting your answer. An honest man with integrity would answer it.
Anyone that thinks conservatism is going to be advanced by voting for a liberal Republican has lost his mind. Liberal Republicans advance liberalism. And, we can't afford eight more years of Romney or another Democrat while the country moves to the left and all the gains we made in 2010 are wiped by a failed Romney President. Thinking that is acceptable and not worse than four more years of a lame-duck Obama Presidency is insane.
You have learned nothing from two failed Bush Presidencies. And, Romney is far more liberal and dishonest than George W. Bush ever was.
Scott Walker in 2016 because we can't wait eights for a conservative to ascend to the White House.
Kaz, Lake has adopted the ‘lost their mind’ meme and uses it whenever one of us shoes the fallacy of his ‘logic’. I don’t know when he snapped, but he used to be a straight up conservative.
He’s now on the roof with the dog riding right off the conservative reservation. But He’ll be happy to explain to you that you, me and any like us advocating sticking to principle are the problem, not the solution.
Liberalism is indeed a mental disorder.
Look, I’m beyond you today. You are the biggest jerkoff I’ve met on Free Republic. I take back nothing.
Now reply back so you can have the last word.
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dragnet2 to Alas Babylon!
I retired as a Senior Master Sergeant.
Oh Gezzz...
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Tisei, Tierney, or fill in the blank
Romney, Obama, or fill in the blank
3 REAL votes to repeal Obamacare. What would you do?
Well Mr. “Yes”, that does not answer the question I asked.
So why don’t we try again. The question is “How can a conservative vote for Romney without abandoning his conservative beliefs?”
The answer is “Yes”? Are you sure it’s not “Tree” or “Bubble Bath?”
Now if you are saying that a person can vote for a liberal and remain conservative, you are an idiot. A person voting for a liberal is a liberal.
Think of it this way. If you had sex with a man (assuming you are male) would you still be hetrosexual?
So, again, got the umteenth time, when you answer my question, I will be happy to answer yours. Please note, again, that “Yes” does not answer the question posed.
Wait. This has actually gone on long enough. I will answer your question with all the integrity effort and honesty you put into answering mine.
The answer is.... 42.
I'm sorry, even he didn't hate the US, he didn't like communists, and he wouldn't have liked muzzies.
Bushes? Meh, piker moderates. Is there anyone who wouldn't go back to their moderation vs Bambi's full throated radical crap?
I'm sorry, I don't care to give up, you obviously have, you're just going to stink into the woodwork and piss and moan, and help reelect president Hugo Kardashian.
And then you'll piss and moan and blame it on anyone but yourself.
That you guys don't know the difference is astonishing. And quite honestly very stupid.
I hope you enjoy trying to reelect Hugo Chavez Jr. I'm sure he'll be totally restrained during his second term....../s
We don’t have one because people like you keep voting for the libs the GOP pushes on us. The more we vote for them, the more they offer up for us to vote on.
Lake, do yourself a favor and read up on cause and effect before embarrassing yourself any further on all these threads. I don’t like making you look bad, but you are doing this to yourself.
Norm, honestly, the only question I found asked directly to me was back on June 17. You have me confused with another poster, rogue yam. On this thread my question to you was the first one asked between you and I. And ‘yes’ was an adequate answer to the question asked directly to me on June 17.
You won’t answer my very simple, direct question because your answer will negate all the Romney bashing you incessantly do. I understand though. Some folks have a harder time than others admitting they were wrong. Pride is a very powerful thing. Have a great forth!
Bramps, post the question I asked and we’ll see because I KNOW I have asked this question repeatedly and to date, no one,including you, has given an honest answer.
I made it an open offer on several threads. I asked it on this thread. I asked it in my last post to you. You have not answered it. Please do.
As for your question, My answer is this. I will not vote for a liberal and I do not care one iota if America joins with me or not. I do not care if they are D or R or I. I do not care if you lose income over it. I do not care if I lose income over it. I do not care period.
Today of all days is about men and women who said no to tyrany. YOU want to elect tyrany because it’s more preferable tyrany. I refuse to walk the high wire in the pathetic little GOP circus. To you the words, intentions and actions of the Founding Fathers mean nothing. If they did, you’d follow them. To me they do mean something.
And on the 4th of July, you really should feel some shame for your statements.
You are presuming romney was shoved down our throats by some incredible unresistable GOPE force. The truth is, our favorite candidate did not run (I seem to remember you saying you were 100% sure she was running...), no other great candidate stepped forward, then Cain imploded (all by himself), then Gingrich stepped in and could not handle his past (which was very real), and Santorum couldn't muster enough strength. Guess what, I don't like this, but Romney won more votes and had a better campaign. I didn't like him, don't like him, but he's what we have.
The choice is a RINO squish or a full throated Hugo Kardashian Chavez Jr. and you seem to prefer Hugo Kardashian Chavez Jr. One of them will win, there is no other.
Your path is self destructive and stupid beyond belief, helping to reelect the worst, most destructive president ever.
Happy Fourth, tyrant lover, and good luck with that.
Yes, I certainly did say she was. And you were right there with me doing it. We were wrong and that’s life.
The difference is that while I thought we were joking about You, Windflier and myself being Soros lackeys in a nefarious plot to get her elected and taking payment from him to do so, you seem to actually BE a Soros lackey, distorting the truth of how the GOP fully backed ONE candidate in this season to the great exclusion of the rest...including their former Speaker of the House!
George Orwell weeps. Are you SERIOUSLY going to try saying that this race hasn’t been manipulated by the GOP to give us the Lib?
Do you care about your credibility at all?
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