Posted on 06/30/2012 11:54:06 PM PDT by neverdem
America is in the throes of a presidential campaign that presents real hope for the future of America (Romney) versus the same-old, same-old (Obama). While it appears right now that Obama and his socialist policies will lose in November, America will still be faced with many problems that have crept into society in the past fifty years.
While America has many liberal-caused problems, let's examine just three of them: welfare, race relations, and education.
Welfare: In his State of the Union address on January 8, 1964, President Lyndon B. Johnson declared "war on poverty." Johnson's speech led Congress to pass the Economic Opportunity Act, which established the Office of Economic Opportunity (OEO) to administer the local application of federal funds targeted against poverty. Since then, the federal government has spent approximately $16 trillion on welfare. Welfare includes, among other programs, the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program (SNAP), the former food stamp program, and unemployment insurance.
In 2011, the Subcommittee on Regulatory Affairs, Stimulus Oversight and Government Spending of the House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Government Reform held a hearing on the issue of "Duplication, Overlap, and Inefficiencies in Federal Welfare Programs." At that hearing, Patricia A. Dalton, the chief operating officer of the General Accountability Office (GAO), testified that the GAO could not identify all existing...
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Will liberals ever wake up and face the facts that their ideas and policies don't work? How many times must they be shown that policies they implement have never worked? You would think that fifty years would be long enough for them to view the results of their labors. But in the face of what their policies have wrought, their only response is that America has not spent enough money! For liberals, evidence be damned -- it's their policies that count.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Those who lean right and small 'l' libertarians should be low hanging fruit after Obama. The challenge is the independents that swing, as they did swing left in 2006 and 2008, those who swung right in 2010, and those who leal left, but have an open mind. Somehow, we need to break the ice with them. Hint, their vehicles are not sporting Obama bumper stickers.
If I were lib, I’d be laughing and smiling and flipping everyone the bird too.
They might be a minority of the voting population, but they’re sure dragging us all around by the jimmy.
Since Obama took office, they haven’t lost a single major battle - even after the 2010 election. :)
It’s a great day to be a liberal. :)
Are you kidding?
You can’t get conservatives to wake up, who in general are supposed to be more sensible than liberals, so don’t hold out any hope of liberals changing their stripes.
The real conservatives are awake. There are too many out there that think they’re conservative but are really liberal, though.
No.
Liberals will never wake in sufficient numbers to save this republic.
Democracies are doomed when the people discover they can vote to steal the income of hard working citizens. Sadly, our republic has become more like a democracy than the republic that the founders gave us.
Separation is the only answer! Let them fend for themselves without access to out pocketbooks....they won’t last long.
Our only hope was a man like Newt, he is smart enough and flawed enough to have given this republic many more years.
The day will come and it’s not far off when many will think of Newt and long for what might have been.
Romney doesn’t represent any hope for me. He’ll just take us over the cliff at 110 mph vs 120 mph for Obama. Either way, we’re screwed.
That day is already here for this FReeper.
“Will liberals ever wake up and face the facts that their ideas and policies don’t work? How many times must they be shown that policies they implement have never worked?”
What if they’re well aware of what happens when their ideas and policies are implemented, and still want to implement them anyway?
HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.”
“A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.”
“From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”
“The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years”
“During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage”
If Alexander Tyler could speak up, he would say “I told you so”
No.
As soon as they wake up they are no longer liberals.
That’s how it works.
Romney doesn’t represent any hope for me. He’ll just take us over the cliff at 110 mph vs 120 mph for Obama. Either way, we’re screwed.
That’s about it.
No.
As soon as they wake up they are no longer liberals.
That’s how it works.
That’s exactly right.
The problem is that not many ever wake up.
How do you define “welfare spending”? It's an important question. The above mentioned SNAP and U.S. government unemployment annual outlays are only about $75 billion and $65 billion respectively, not chump change, but less than 5% of the budget. So does “welfare” include social security and medicare, medicaid? If so, then are we proposing to eliminate them? If we eliminate them, then we also eliminate the payroll taxes that support them, which are about 40% of all taxes collected. And guess what, then we still have an enormous deficit.
To get serious about eliminating the deficit, we're going to have to cut more than “welfare.” Or we're going to have to collect more in taxes. Few people want to face up to that. The fact is, we've all been living on government "welfare" for the last 30 years or so, with the government running up huge deficits so that we can have what we want without paying for it.
The Liberals running all of these programs know full well they don’t work, never have worked, and never will work, but they don’t give a damn, as long as they can continue to hold onto power, prestige and pursestrings.
They don’t WANT to solve these problems.
That's exactly the problem; it's not for lack of education. Many (most?) conservatives make the error of assuming that their own goals (i.e. practical, functional solutions) are the same as the liberals' goals. Wrong. The goals of the leftists are money, power, and destruction of truth, mercy and justice, veiled by "proof" of their unassailable caring and compassion.
So, what of Mary Jo? Eh, she should have known better...
Scratch the average dingbat leftists and out come the totalitarians in the mold of their leaders. After all, they are certain that Obama's "got their back" and will reward them for their loyalty. Besides actual cash payments (the money goal), the benefits include all manner of exemptions and waivers. The rules won't apply to them (the power goal).
From their perspective, honest, uncorrupted people are naive idiots who get what they deserve and deserve to be stomped.
“Will liberals ever wake up and face the facts that their ideas and policies don’t work? “
I think Jonestown is the answer to that question.
People need to read Johnah Goldberg's "Liberal fascism" book. Or simply check out this article. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html The days when we had "liberals" are long gone. The Utopia of liberal fascists needs to be destroyed, and these liberal fascists need to be unseated from their thrones, even as they dictate to a free people.
I agree, it’s the only one way to get out of this mess. Corrupt government must be replaced and the socialist theology replaced with self-dependence of the people.
Spending must decrease and taxes must go up. There must be a balanced budget with excesses paying down the debt.
Remember early in the 2012 Presidential Primary Debates when the question was asked to all 9 candidates to raise their hands if they would NOT support 10:1 spending cuts to tax increases? They all raised their hands with Cain being last after looking around and seeing he was the last to not do so.
No candidate that has the ideas to help lead us from destruction will ever get elected.
I believe many are seeing the light, their alliance with the Communists Party USA and the Muslim Brotherhood is becoming too dangerous and too expensive to support.
Can’t wake up from a mental desease
“Will American Liberals Ever Wake Up?”
American Liberals are not American. They subscribe to an internationalist agenda based upon the supposed intellectual superiority of an intelligent and brilliant intellectual elite that considers Americans with religious faith to be morons; those who believe in the American Constitution are also morons with no ability to think.
They will never “wake up”. They will continue to be dedicated to their own perceived superiority and entitlement to power. They will always be visceral in their beliefs, always be dedicated to subversion, always be dedicated to an allegiance to an international movement whose objective is the elimination of religious faith along with the raising of certain humans to the status of gods.
As long as the electorate continues to swallow their hollow promises, we will have to cope with the unhinged antics of subversive tyrants who abuse the American system and seek to undermine it while claiming to defend and uphold it.
IMHO
“Will liberals ever wake up and face the facts that their ideas and policies don’t work?”
I’m from California.
My experience says, “No.”
I’ve spent 4 years now watching on FB how my liberal friends (old classmates - co-workers - even some fellow church members) react whenever “their” plans crash and burn.
They ALWAYS find a way to pin it on some evil republican - or an evil businessman.
It is never EVER EVER their fault.
How could it be?
They are smarter - more compassionate.
There is absolutely no way any conservative anywhere could be right about anything.
Wake up? Let ‘em die in their sleep.
One of these days, they will run out of other peoples money. We have a liberal leaning lady who was sporting an obummer sticker in 2008. She was in front of me at the hardware store yesterday and the clerk asked her what she thought about the health care bill being declared constitutional.
The lady started into a rampage about how her husband had lost his job and they were barely making ends meet. She had some choice words about the won. Would have made a sailor blush. No dimocrat will ever get her vote again.
A great lady once said the same thing:
“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. ” ― Margaret Thatcher
Wake up? I hope they all go into comas. They are beyond hope and redemption. Asshat LIBs are the ultimate lost cause. Give up.
“What if they’re well aware of what happens when their ideas and policies are implemented, and still want to implement them anyway?”
They are aware of the destructive failure of their policies - its called the “Cloward-Piven” strategy.
It’s designed to crash the system, making the way for the new progressive order.
They will only wake up when the SHTF, or all there “free goodies” dry up , and then they scavenge, or steal from others, and maybe, just a maybe, they will realize their fate is in their own hands.....
No. Let them experience their reality. Let the population feel the hard whip of socialist/progressive policies on the own hides. Only when they have no control over their lives, no freedom, no control of their children, no joy, no happiness, no privacy and no life, will they wake up. And even then, a few will welcome slavery.
Self identified liberals may only be twenty percent of the electorate but they are almost certainly ALL true liberals. Far too many self identified conservatives only imagine themselves to be conservatives, having no real definition of the term to rely on. I have heard some who call themselves conservatives support national health care before Obama was a recognizable name. As sad as it makes me to say it I think a huge percentage of “conservatives” are at least as much in need of a lecture on what true freedom involves as are the liberals.
I really hope that one day there will be a United States of America that will be what it was intended to be but at the age of 68 I have precious little hope of living long enough to see it. I certainly don’t expect it to materialize suddenly following the election of Mitt Romney. Some of the very young may be inclined to throw off the shackles but they won’t be able to even make an attempt for decades to come unless those who predict a sudden and utter collapse in the immediate future turn out to be right. If there is no real economy left to support the schemes of the collectivists then freedom might sprout again like the Longleaf pine after a forest fire. Freedom can coexist with poverty so long as dreamers who imagine that they have a solution to poverty are confined to jobs for which they are qualified such as cleaning toilets. Freedom CANNOT coexist with laziness, indifference and WILLFUL ignorance.
Prosperity of the many cannot exist at all unless if coexists with the RELATIVE poverty of a small minority. One who looks from the highest peak of a mountain range and plots to reduce all to a flat plain has a workable plan providing he can command the energy resources to accomplish the task but one who imagines that he can lift the valleys up to the level of the peaks is an idiot.
That is why the founders designed a constitutional republic and detested the word democracy! That is also why the left has insisted on calling it a democracy as they pervert the workings of the republic until if functions as a democracy thereby guaranteeing its demise and its replacement by an oligarchy devoted to enslaving the majority at the pleasure of the few.
“She had some choice words about the won.”
She’s just mad because the alligator she unleashed was suppose to eat someone else just not her.
I really wanted to tick her off and tell her that stupid people should not be allowed anywhere near a voting booth. I'll bet she was one of the white guilt voters.
Liberals are to put it bluntly delusional and insane.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over & over and expecting a different result - Albert Einstein
And that’s socialism/liberalism/communism/progressiveness (or whatever they call themselves today) for you. It is the same old story, even though their ideas and ideals have without exception failed every single time and have caused nothing but death and misery, they are still deluded into believing that “this time it will be different.”
Usually this delusion is caused by the belief that the past reason for failure was
1) The right people were not in charge, but the new leader is so much smarter and/or less corrupt than anyone that has tried and failed before, therefore he/she/it will make it work this time. (Hence Obama’s nickname “The One”)
2) We just didn’t spend enough money if we only spend more and spend it sooner…. (2nd stimulus anybody)
3) or it’s whatever scapegoat/Emmanuel Goldstein they can find fault for opposing them. ( Bush’s fault)
Interesting that the cumulative bill for welfare is just about equal to the national debt...
Define “welfare.”
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