Penn St. is going to be paying out big for years to come.
Posted on 06/30/2012 9:34:42 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen
With convicted serial child sex abuser Jerry Sandusky behind bars, new questions are surfacing about what Penn State officials knew about a 2001 incident involving the former assistant football coach's encounter with a boy in the shower -- and whether they covered up the incident. After the 2001 incident, Sandusky sexually abused other boys over the course of years until his arrest. CNN does not have the purported e-mails. However, the alleged contents were made available to CNN. The messages indicate former Penn State President Graham Spanier and two other former university officials knew they had a problem with Sandusky after a 2001 shower incident, but apparently first decided to handle it using a "humane" approach before contacting outside authorities whose job it is to investigate suspected abuse.
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Spanier supports the queer agenda, which means he supports the pedophile agenda.
I could see the possibility of civil charges against the administrators for any incidents after the first time they were made aware of Sandusky's proclivities but there's likely enough plausible deniability built into their actions that proving guilt could be difficult.
I don't forsee anyone else doing jail time unless Sandusky had partners or a pedophile network. Some believe Sandusky was actually a procurer for other pedos and that the charity was simply a front for their operations.
Almost everyone focused on Joe Paterno as responsible for this scandal. But as I pointed out at the time, he reported the incident to his superiors, and it was those superiors who decided to sit on it and cover up.
In particular, it was the President of Penn State who authorized the coverup, at the athletic director’s urging. The buck stopped with him.
And, as I noticed at the time, one of that President’s announced policies when he took over was to push for more gay rights at Penn State. Well, I guess he did.
But as you can see from the comments, pro and con, the discussion immediately drifts to Paterno and the Catholic Church, although neither bears the responsibility for what happened. The idea seems to be to deflect responsibility from gay rights to Catholic priests, and so far it has been a pretty effective propaganda ploy.
Penn St. is going to be paying out big for years to come.
They chose to protect a monster rather than innocent victims with their “humane” treatment.
What a disgrace.
Yes, it looks like all three will do a stretch in Club Penn or whatever they call it in PA. The notion that Curley was calling any shots is a rediculous. Curley was Joepa’s pool boy. Paterno and Spanier are the root of all this cover up.
How stupid. Paterno’s reputation is permanently tarnished.
Paterno is burning in hell right now.
Paterno had the obligation to report this to the police. Paterno accepted and enabled the crimes. His name should be removed from anything associated with the university, beginning with that awful statue.
Good points. Paterno was routinely attacked by the media...especially the sports media...when he was the only one who reported the abuses. His superiors knew about it, and failed to do anything.
Also, not only Paterno was attacked because the media wanted to defend a pro-homosexual administrator.....they were also keeping under wraps the Syracuse pedophile scandal....which ESPN sat on that info for years. Many of ESPN top reporters and announcers are Syracuse grads.
Paterno will be vindicated. The PSU admins and their attorney can’t cross-examine a dead guy....and many around PSU still support JoePa
State Penn works for me.
Penn State is a queer college....
Paterno was to report it to law enforcement....
To the same campus police and local State College police who had already covered up and refused to investigate previous Sandusky child-rapes?
In fact, since the incident in 2002 happened on campus...Paterno would have reported it to the PSU Campus Police...who were under the authority of the PSU President Spanier. Dirt...meet rug you are being swept under
This is the tired MSM cunard to try to hang JoePa....when he did probably the best thing he could...with the cops already covering for Sandusky
I don’t believe that they’ve been held accountable. If they knew about it and covered it up, that’s criminal and they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Penn States football program should be destroyed as an example to others. Padlock that facility for a decade at least.
Penn State needs to be razed to the ground and then nuked from orbit. Just to be sure.
BS! He (Paterno) reported this “incident” to his “superiors”; the very same people BTW who had just as much as a vested interest in keeping the scandal quiet and under wraps as he did. Follow the money and the overwhelming urge among all these men including Paterno to protect the “reputation” of the program at all costs. Even at the cost of those boys.
As someone who grew up in PA and a big Penn State fan and someone who once held Paterno in great respect, he dropped the ball on this big time.
I am a supervisor in my job. If one of my direct reports came to me with an eye witness account of a sexual assault in the workplace, especially the rape of a child, and I reported this to my supervisors and they then did absolutely nothing about it, how could I then continue to do nothing about it myself, allow the accused to continue to bring children into the facility, never question my superiors on the outcome of the investigation, help to keep it under wraps and act like nothing ever happened and simply wash my hands of it because I “reported” it to someone higher up on the corporate or university food chain.
Sandusky’s predictions was not a great secret among those who were in a position to know about it but many of those people turned a blind eye and washed their hands of it. How many boys might have been saved from being molested if someone like Paterno stepped up and did the right thing instead of what was minimally required of him under procedure?
People should spit at the mention of Paterno’s name.
“Paterno accepted and enabled the crimes”
Let’s face the facts. The whole of the actions of Penn State personnel was to “protect” their football program. They did it at the expense of who knows just how many young, innocent boys. Right now with Freeh “on the job,” the mission is to try and get the rest of the $hit back in the horse. Curley, Shultz and Spannier should all be tried based on what is already known about their actions (or more correctly inactions). But now with Sandusky put away, I am sure Freeh is going to give us the “move along, nothing else to see here, we need to get Penn State’s football program up and running again” spiel.
If memory serves me, Spanier was previously at my alma mater (Nebraska)& while there he instigated a homo agenda. One was that professors were to put pink ribbons on there car antennas & then the students would know which ones were receptive to this abomination. So when NU would call for donations I gave them a mouthful & told then no more donations from this household. They finally got the message after a half dozen calls & it remains the same for me today. It is so amazing what political correctness goes on at all of these institutions of lower learning.
As I mentioned in another post....who was Paterno to report to?
The 2002 crime, if it was reported to Campus Police, would have been covered up by the school...as the Campus Police are under the authority of the campus President...who was alreay covering up for Sandusky
We know the police had been investigating Sandusky as early as 98. Ray Gricar (now legally dead) was the DA and he chose NOT to prosecute Sandusky. There must have been a reason why...
That said, in a town where football is king and everybody knows everything I don't understand how this was such an open secret. There are a lot more layers to peel back on this onion.
There's no way that these coaches didn't know what was going on. Only one had to step up & do the moral thing & none did. That football program should be shut down for at least 5 yrs & the school would be paying so much out to these victims that it might not recover for a decade.
But you know that's not about to happen. They're part of a major conference that produces major revenue.
The main culprits (that we know of) are jailed, dead, or been removed from their jobs. That's likely to be all that comes of this unless a deeper involvement in a pedophile network is exposed.
Manned up and resigned? Really? Adults say the darnedest things sometimes.
We can only move on when the University (with extreme shame and regret) admits that it knew and covered up Sandusky’s obscene criminal actions with young boys dating back to the first reported incident. And only if the University then takes it upon itself to dissolve its football program and relinquish all honors, trophys, and awards during this time. And only if the University pays $$$$ (far and above what is customary) to each victim without coercion from a court of law. And only if the University demolishes the existing facilities that were used to abuse young boys. And only if, in its place, the place of abuse, the University builds a monument symbolizing both shame and regret for past dishonor with hope for a future where persons, corporations, and enitities will not hold achievements, power and wealth higher than decency and honor
...“[this house] ought to be burned down and the ground sown with salt.” ... --Luke, "The Haunting of Hill House"
From the transcripts of the Grand Jury Report:
Q: I think you used the term fondling. Is that the term that you used?
Mr. Paterno: Well, I don’t know what you would call it. Obviously, he was doing something with the youngster. It was a sexual nature. I’m not sure exactly what it was.
Q: When did you — did you do something with that information?
Mr. Paterno: Well, I can’t be precise. I ordinarily would have called people right away, but it was a Saturday morning and I didn’t want to interfere with their weekends.
>>>>>Almost everyone focused on Joe Paterno as responsible for this scandal. But as I pointed out at the time, he reported the incident to his superiors, and it was those superiors who decided to sit on it and cover up.<<<<<<<
Apologists for Paterno have no shame. The following is an excerpt from the investigation into Penn State’s cover-up.
“E-mails show that vice president Gary Schultz, athletic director Tim Curley, and president Graham Spanier had initially settled on a plan in which they would speak with “the subject” — Sandusky — as well as his Second Mile charity and the Department of Welfare.
Those emails took place 16 days after McQueary offered his account. But Curley backed out of that plan in a second e-mail exchange.
“After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe [Paterno] yesterday,” CNN quoted Curley from an obtained e-mail, “I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone, but the person involved.”
The Athletic Director “backed out of the plan to go public” after he spoke with Paterno. There is no way this cover-up doesn’t stick to Paterno. It has to.
The emails suggest that Curley changed his mind about reporting it after a conversation with Paterno. I wonder what changed his mind?
Exactly!
Joe Paterno's statue has to come down. That's clear today, now that CNN has released emails that bury Paterno and his Penn State cronies with their own dirty words.
Paterno's statue outside Beaver Stadium has to come down, because otherwise Penn State would be celebrating a man who helped talk school officials into leaving Jerry Sandusky alone in 2001, letting an alleged pedophile escape detection for another decade, giving that alleged pedophile -- and it's not "alleged" anymore -- unfettered access to campus for another decade.
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CNN found an email from Curley that said: "After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe [Paterno] yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone, but the person involved."
In other words, Curley still wanted to confront Sandusky, Paterno's longtime defensive coordinator. But call Second Mile to warn them Sandusky was using the charity to groom potential victims? Call child welfare officials to tell them of the predator in their midst?
Curley didn't want to do that. Not after "talking it over with Joe."
And Spanier, gutless cretin that he is, signed off on the new plan.
"I am supportive," Spanier wrote in an email obtained by CNN. "The only downside for us if the message isn't heard and acted upon, and then we become vulnerable for not having reported it."
Read that again.
The only downside for us if the message isn't heard and acted upon is that we become vulnerable for not having reported it.
Never mind the downside of another boy -- or 10 more boys -- being molested by a pedophile. That wasn't the downside that scared Spanier. What scared Spanier? That Penn State, and Penn State officials, would be "vulnerable."
Steven had a hard life, but I think he died in a car accident....
Let’s face the facts. The whole of the actions of Penn State personnel was to “protect” their football program.
.like many well established coaches, they leave most of the p's and q's up to other people.
..a man of Paterno's age...simliar to my dad if he were alive...treated things like this differently...they are perplexed by it, rationalize it to be horseplay gone wrong, and hope that a "good talking too" will suffice....
who covered up what?....because the last I heard the chief prosecutor at the time of the intial incidences was Ray Gricar, who mysteriously drove his car to a river, and has not been seen since, persumed "drowned" but no body found....IIRC, that happened not to long before the SHTF.....
the people in State College have been following these stories for a couple of years before everything went national....
It is so amazing what political correctness goes on at all of these institutions of lower learning.
That said, in a town where football is king...
Not the way it looks now. Paterno's direct superior, Athletic Director Tim Curley, had decided to address the matter with Sandusky and to report Child Welfare and The Second Mile. According to one of the emails, Curley says that after meeting with Paterno, he decided to address the matter with Sandusky only.
And you really have to drop this bit about Paterno reporting this to his superiors, plural, unless you're saying Paterno was a liar. In Paterno's GJ testimony he makes it perfectly clear that after thinking for a day, he contacted only Athletic Director Tim Curley and nobody else. He says he never addressed the matter with anyone except Tim Curley.
Q: To whom or with whom did you share the information that McQueary had given you?
Mr. Paterno: I talked to my immediate boss, our athletic director.
Q: What is that person’s name?
Mr. Paterno: Tim Curley.
Q: How did you contact Mr. Curley?
Mr. Paterno: I believe I did it by phone. As I recall, I called him and I said, hey, we got a problem, and I explained the problem to him.
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Q: You indicated that your report was made directly to Tim Curley. Do you know of that report being made to anyone else that was a university official?
Mr. Paterno: No, because I figured that Tim would handle it appropriately. I have a tremendous amount of confidence in Mr. Curley and I thought he would look into it and handle it appropriately.
No. From the emails, we're finding out that Paterno was involved in the cover-up. He certainly helped talk Curley out of reporting Sandusky to Child Welfare. From Penn Live (and the same email is quoted in many other sources)
The report, focusing on a series of emails after McQueary's initial reports about the incident, suggested that shortly after receiving them, then Vice President for Finance and Business Affairs Gary Schultz developed a three-part plan to talk with Sandusky; contact the Second Mile — the youth charity Sandusky founded; and inform child welfare authorities.Many around PSU still support JoePa and always will, even if he talked Curley out of reporting Sandusky to child welfare, or was part of the two-man determination not to report Sandusky to child welfare.But that plan was put on hold, the report stated, Feb. 27, when Schultz received an e-mailed reply from Athletic Director Tim Curley — apparently after a discussion with head football coach Joe Paterno — in which Curley suggests talking with Sandusky directly before alerting any outside authorities.
"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps," CNN quoted Curley as saying in an email. Curley indicated, according to the report, that he planned to talk with Sandusky and also contact The Second Mile, but not necessarily the child welfare office if Sandusky cooperated and got professional help.
The Paterno/Curley plan was then approved, although from the emails, Spanier was concerned about the consequences if it were discovered PSU did not contact child welfare.
He disappeared on April 15, 2005.
That's seven years after one investigation and a few years before the next.
We should remember that, in 1998, Gricar had evidence only on a boy responsible for some of the fewest counts against Sandusky. Basically, Sandusky showered with the boy and bear-hugged 'to wash his hair.' Sandusky said there was no genital contact; even if the boy say there was, it would be his word (and only his word, as no other victims had come forward) against Jerry Sandusky, who at the time was the famous founder of The Second Mile, the acting defensive coordinator of Penn State (and had been for over 20 years and two national championships), a Penn State coach with over 30 years' tenure, and a former Penn State player.
I don't think Gricar believed he could convict Sandusky for an incident of showering - just showering - in front of a Happy Valley jury given how prominent Sandusky was at the time.
We should never forget, however, that Gricar's nephew said that Ray Gricar lived from 1998-2005 with a sour taste in his mouth toward PSU and, in particular, PSU football. Gricar felt he was stonewalled in his investigation by PSU football.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Paterno told his immediate superior. His immediate superior told the President. And then the immediate superior and the President decided to cover it up.
It’s possible to argue that Paterno should have done more. But he did what he should—reported it to his boss. And his boss reported it to the President, who was subsequently forced to resign.
Once it reached those high levels, it was up to them to do something about it. As Harry Truman once said, “The buck stops here.”
Even if Paterno later argued that they should give Sandusky a break, we have no evidence for that, and his superiors certainly were not required to take that advice. Who says that Paterno said that? Apparently, Tim Curley said it, if this summary is accurate. Paterno is no longer around to deny it. But even if true, it’s no excuse for the guys at the top.
See 45. We have only Tim Curley’s say-so that Paterno told him to cover it up. Or, to be more accurate, that they AGREED to urge a coverup.
Even if true, that does not excuse the top guys for not reporting it. But we have only one of the guys who covered it up as evidence that Paterno said that. Maybe Curley just dragged Paterno into the argument to give his plea for a coverup more force.
The President of the university, who publicly pledged when he was hired to do more for gay rights at Penn State, was the guy responsible for making this decision. He didn’t have to go along with Curley, Paterno, or anyone else.
Why would Curley lie in an email to Graham Spanier about meeting with Paterno?
Basically, you have this. Curley and Schultz have met several times, with McQueary and without McQueary. They've communicated with the PSU President. It appears that multiple parties discussed the 'contact three' solution and Curley was to make the final recommendation.
When? Apparently after running it by Joe Paterno.
So Curley was sent to Paterno, or went to his de-facto boss, Paterno, or went to Paterno because he knew Paterno had to go along with the decision.
Curley talks with The Godfather Paterno and, as you say, either Paterno said 'keep this between PSU and Sandusky and don't contact child welfare' or the two reached that decision.
Either way Paterno was there when the decision not to contact child welfare (and therefore, law enforcement) was made. He either made it or participated in it.
He had the power to originate the cover-up and it appears JoePa did.
Should the others have gone along with JoePa's plan? No.
Spanier expressed concern about going along with this decision not to contact child welfare. I guess the person who made it must have pretty powerful. Like . . . JoePa in his meeting with Tim Curley.
Probably both. From press accounts, Graham Spanier was at the very least a “fan” of sexual deviancy. Like most universities, Penn State was ( and probably continues to be) run by the Left with all of its proclivities for these kinds of aberrant "behaviors."
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