The SCOTUS Just Woke Up a Sleeping Giant (Vanity)

June 28, 2012 | pistolpackinpapa

[pistolpackinpapa]

One Republican Congressman, whom I believe they said was from Arizona, just said the same thing I said after this Ruling:

"Today, the Supreme Court awakened a sleeping giant. This changes the Election drastically." This has so angered people and will cause many to realize, this is no small matter. This is no game. We MUST Elect Mitt Romney, and a GOP House and Senate on November 6, 2012 so this ObamaCare Mess, our new Tax the Supremes gave us today, can be repealed and totally dismantled.

I believe this "victory" for the Obama Thug Brigade in the White House, will be short-lived. This will fire up people who were somewhat lackadaisical about this Election. We have to get the Marxist out of the White House.

It ain't over Mr. President. WE'RE JUST GETTING WARMED UP!!!

[JFC]

I voted for Romney in the Texas Primary and will do it again in November. If you think what Obama has done these first 4 years was nutso.....just wait until his second term. It will be something we will never recover from.... so yes, Romney is our left standing.... and he has to be better than what we got now. At least I am praying for that......

[zeugma]

Awesome!!!!! Stolen. Personally, I think we're already at the enslavement phase. We haven't noticed it because we are allowed to 'vote' on the Janus-like face of our masters.

I occasionally see comments here on FR and elsewhere by conservatives that they don't expect the elections to be held in November. It would be wise to keep in mind that the liberals and other socialists were saying that about Bush prior to the last election (that he would declare a national emergency or something to avoid having to leave office). Neither case we happen. I can pretty much guarantee that, because it is the elections that give the patina of legitimacy to the government. People think that because they got to vote, that they had a 'choice'. If the PTB take that release valve away, all bets are off. You'll start seeing some vilence that will make the riots coming later this year look like a touch football game.

[pistolpackinpapa]

Virgil Goode is NOT “our only hope”. He is not even remotely “any hope”. He is a good man, I’m sure, but he has NO HOPE of winning. Do what you wanna do. I truly hope that you live in a stone-cold Red State like Texas or Oklahoma or Alaska that is so “Red” your vote for Mr. Goode won’t hurt our chances of defeating BHO on Nov. 6th.

[OneWingedShark]

Yes, because voting for republicans is so different from voting for democrats. Who appointed John Roberts? Oh, yeah, President Bush did that. I guess his vote must be o.k. then because the President that selected him had an (R) by his name.

Sorry, but I'm just not playing their games any more. I suspect I'll be joined by many others.

Me for one; I'm not voting for Romney... and likely wont vote for a single [Federal-level] Republican this go-`round. They won't have my vote unless they actually start doing rather that just saying their platform-planks. (Smaller gov, responsible fiscal policy, repeal Roe v. Wade, repeal GCA/NFA [2nd amd violations], etc)

[napscoordinator]

I voye in Pennsylvania.

[napscoordinator]

I vote in Pennsylvania.

[OneWingedShark]

Great image; I'm so stealing it.

[pistolpackinpapa]

By 2:00 p.m. CDT, 5 hours after the Ruling came down, Romney had raised $1 Million.

[pistolpackinpapa]

This ruling was a setback but only a temporary one if we win in November.

100% REPEAL. Nothing less.
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YES! YES! YES! We still get to vote on this on November 6th. It ain’t over by a long shot.

[pistolpackinpapa]

GREAT IDEA: But why not just call it “JudgeRobertsCare” ? You need to get that suggestion to Rush, Hannity, Greta, Glen, Mark (Levin) and Laura Ingram. Hopefully, Judge Roberts will get a miserable night’s sleep tonight.

[pistolpackinpapa]

Well hell, PA always goes for the DemocRAT in the Presidential Election anyhow, so go ahead and vote for Virgil Goode. It won’t hurt anything.

[zeugma]

Cool thanks for the reminder. I think I saw the original threads for that. Did we end up going through the entire anti-federalist?

[Graewoulf]

You have us wrong. Romney is a great guy. It is Socialism that we rebel against.

Romney has a problem: He refuses to shed his Obama”care” Godfather Image.

Ponder this from another thread:

First you had better get Romney to drop his crap about it being “ - - - simply unacceptable - - - “ that 20 million Americans still aren’t covered by Health Insurance.

If Romney won’t dump his loyalty to the idea of an Insurance Safety net, then it is time to DUMP Romney with an ABSTAIN vote on the first ballot in Tampa.

BTW, Romney”care” safety net can easily be expanded into Obama”care” safety net without SOCTUS even lifting a finger.

Romney”care, “ Obama”Care;” Obamalite, Obama, Treedle Dumb or Tweedle Dumber, eeney, meeney, miney ——what difference does it make?!

[pistolpackinpapa]

Why the F—K did we end up with this Fcking Rino as our nominee????? Last time there was McCain...now Romney. What is wrong with people???
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I’ve said this before; I’ll say it again: We have met the enemy and he is us. The Moderates run one candidate in the Primaries. The Conservatives run 15 candidates in the Primaries. The Conservatives bite, devour and destroy each other during the Primary Season and the Moderate waltzes in to the Coronation.

[dfwgator]

The Conservatives run 15 candidates in the Primaries.

All of which sucked.

[Publius]

We did only 25 of the zillion anti-Federalist Papers collated by the University of Chicago in their massive 1987 multi-volume effort.

[pistolpackinpapa]

And you propose to solve that problem by electing a [monied] socialist? Ha!
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Well, what is your solution, a**hole?

[pistolpackinpapa]

You are personally so much the problem with this country. Do you really think the father of socialized medicine is going to repeal Obama care. You stupid people....

HOLD IT RIGHT THERE YOU MOTHER F-----!!!! Don't you dare call me stupid. I did not vote for Romney in the Primaries and he was not my choice, but he is the friggin' hand we've been dealt. All we have to go on is his promise to repeal JudgeRobertsCare. We know the Marxist Muslim we currently have in the White House won't do it. Romney is our only hope. Do you have any suggestions for getting us out of this mess a**hole?

You sound awfully tensed up. You might want to talk to your old lady about giving it up for you tonight so you can relieve some of your pent up aggression.

[txrangerette]

JudgeRobertsCare is fine.

I wanted it to have the same flowing alliteration as obamacare so I made it shorter.

The J stood for John as in John Roberts, but was run together with RobertsCare so it would flow when pronounced.

I have no problem with either one.

[OneWingedShark]

Well, what is your solution, a**hole?

Well, we need to start being assholes. Not this "go along to get along" crap.
My solution is to start playing the legal game against out overlords; and none of this "now isn't the right time" or accepting "you don't have standing" bullshit. Simply put, the ballot box is for the most part useless right now, so we need to go about things differently; two other options spring to mind: Jury box and Ammo box.

We really should be using the ammo box right now; it is obvious the Constitution does not constrain the governemnt and has been obvious for some time; we are, however, not ready for that course of action. Simply as a matter of logistics; we are not in any position to carry out such warfare. (Oh, and it's not treason or overthrow of the government that I'm advocating; the Declaration of Independence is recognized as law and reserves the right to oust from power those seeking despotism; furthermore, removing people from office via violence *IS NOT* destroying the office itself.... merely creating a vacancy.)

So that leaves the Jury Box, unless and until the logistics above are addressed, and this means we have Fun With Laws!
First off we need to make people aware of the Jury's right of nullification, AND MAKE SURE IT IS USED. If juries always acquit anyone who violates Obamacare then the accused cannot be legally punished.

Second, there's methods we could call the political/legal warfare, wherein we use the law as a weapon against political positions/stances. This can be done by maneuvering the argument such that the political stance being embraced is a blatant illegality. As an example let's consider NM.

New Mexico's State Constitution gives the Governor the power/responsibility to protect from invasion. It says, in Art 5 sec 4, "He shall have power to call out the militia to preserve the public peace, execute the laws, suppress insurrection and repel invasion." Implicit therein is the ability to declare that the state is being invaded. So the governor can declare that the masses of illegal immigrants is an invasion (and an invading force need not be armed) and call on the militia to seal the border with military violence. Then, using the US Constitution, Art 4 Sec 4, demand assistance from the federal government; this leaves only three options for the fed-gov:

1. Send the required aid; absolutely intollerable politically for the open-borders folk, won't happen.
2. Dither about/dissemble/feet-draging; shows that the federal government is all about optionally complying with the Constitution, and will encourage other states to act independently (ie reduce the control of the fed-gov)
3. Move against the state; this is, by the US Constitution, treason.
   It can be done multiple ways:
   1. Executive: military power -- What do you think the result of the FedGov firing on a State that is protecting itself AND ASKING FOR HELP is going to be?
   2. Executive: denial of actions/aid -- Again, not politically wise.
   3. Legislative: Declare the invasion-declaration to have been illegal. Oops, that's both ex post facto AND a Bill of Attainder!
   4. Legislative: deny funding to the state. -- Again the same as the Executive.
   5. Judicial: Declare that the States cannot declare an invasion -- Ignore them, try them in absentia (if they will not come) for Treason against the State of New Mexico using the federal court's own ruling as "confession in open court."

In fact the above would be so powerful that States could have a long list of "Dead or Alive" wanted persons consisting of all those who are acting against that state... which may even include the State's own senators/reps.

[LibFreeUSA]

-"It's too soon for an overall judgment of Roberts, but this may be his Dred Scott case...the one case that history vilifies him for when everything else is forgotten."

On that, we can agree.

[Bigg Red]

I pray that all the FReepers who hate Romney, will realize that they hate the anti-Capitalist, Socialist mind-set that has taken over this nation, even more and will PLEASE not stay home or waste their vote on a 3rd Party Candidate but will vote for Romney and GOP candidates down the ballot on Novermber 6th.

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Ditto!!!

OMG! OBAMA MUST GO!

Romney is not and has never been my choice, but our republic simply cannot survive another 4 years of the Obamunist.

No

[pistolpackinpapa]

even though our Senator promised to vote against it, then reneged, so we threw her out of office.
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And which Senator was that?????

[pistolpackinpapa]

Ref. Your Post #192: No, we get it. We just have to take one thing at a time.

[pistolpackinpapa]

Re: Your Post 198: I’m down for it.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

And which Senator was that?????

BLANCHE LINCOLN of Arkansas.

[JulieRNR21]

I’m in total agreement with you.....

After today’s disappointing SCOTUS ruling, to get rid of Obamacare and uphold religious freedom we have to do it ourselves.

The only way to save America is vote for Romney in November....Julie

[napscoordinator]

Well hell, PA always goes for the DemocRAT in the Presidential Election anyhow, so go ahead and vote for Virgil Goode. It won’t hurt anything.

Well let’s see. The last time that Pennsylvania went for Republican President was in 1988 with George HW Bush....And then the Republicans chose Dole, McCain, and now Romney.....Can they get any more RINO or liberal as Romney’s case....Give Pennsylvania a decent choice and I guarantee they will vote for that person.

[pistolpackinpapa]

You forgot to mention that PA did NOT go for George W. either but went for Al Gore and John Kerry. Also, you said:

“Give Pennsylvania a decent choice and I guarantee they will vote for that person.”

So you are saying that Clinton, Gore, Kerry and Obama were the DECENT choices? Hmmmmmmmmmmm......

[pistolpackinpapa]

Oh yeah; I forgot about Blanche baby. Thanks.

[napscoordinator]

No I didn’t say that...I said give Pennsylvania a decent Republican choice and they will vote....They sure as hell voted for Reagan. You knew exactly what I was saying. You big government lovers sure make me laugh...although you guys are sad.

[sirchtruth]

Just because they don't "reject capitalism" (communism) doesn't mean that they're not socialists..

Well, you can believe Romney is a socialist by your narrow-minded definition, but just because someone thinks the gov't should handle a particular aspect of life doesn't make them socialist.

Ok, for the sake of argument let's just say Romney is a socialist. I believe he enacted a socialist healthcare system in MA. However, Romney has not tried to destroy the economy in MA. Romney doesn't hate free enterprise, Romney is not an anti-capitalist. Romney is not hiding his past and spending millions of dollars so people won't find out who he truly is. On the other hand Obama and his ilk do hate the American Ideal and all those fore mentioned things. Obama at the very least is a radical anti-American and that's without being able to see his true past. Obama is trying to destroy what is good about America, Romney will do everything he can to repeal this Monstrosity as he indicated yesterday, and judging by the campaign contributions in just 20 hours (4.2m) people believe him. All he has to do is try to repeal this and he's got it made with conservatives.

No matter what you argue, Romney the rino is worth it for the sake of trying to STOP Obama from destroying this country because I do believe in this case, Romney would be saving this republic from a LIAR, a true socialist, anti-American, charlatan.

No rino in office can turn around an electorate faster than what happened yesterday! It's shocking!

[OneWingedShark]

No matter what you argue, Romney the rino is worth it for the sake of trying to STOP Obama from destroying this country because I do believe in this case, Romney would be saving this republic from a LIAR, a true socialist, anti-American, charlatan.

I have seen NOTHING to indicate that Romney would cut back on the amount of regulations/fees/taxes that businesses pay, and without that the economy is doomed. I have seen nothing to indicate that he would reduce the size, or scope, of government; without that America is doomed (you simply cannot spend more than you make w/o consequence). And, most of all:
You assume that Romney is not a liar himself!

It's been recorded that he wants to keep "the good parts" of Obamacare.

In fact, the idea I read about his "repeal" is horrible: issuing waivers to the states. This is horrible only if you stop a moment and realize that what waiver is written can by that same authority be voided. This means that Romney, or some future President, could use this to extort the states.

We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them...you create a nation of lawbreakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden.

-- Atlas Shrugged

[sirchtruth]

Just like all libertarians your value is steeped in idealistic, unrealistic, reality! The fact that you even entertain the idea Romney would govern like Obama is ludicrous. Furthermore, it sounds as though you do not have a firm grasp on what 4 more years of Obama would do to this country.

The ironic part of this whole argument is you are actually trying to persuade me to live under Obama tyranny! You have to deal with the reality which is upon us.

Obama, the anti-American, who wishes to systematically destroy the foundation of this nation, or Romney, the pro-American.

[RKBA Democrat]

Sorry folks. I disagree with a lot of FReepers on this: this a hands down win. Chief justice Arnold with one ruling did what no one else could: showed beyond a reasonable doubt that the game we’re playing is rigged.

We can’t win a rigged game. Period. The only way we win is to either change the rules of the game or pick up our marbles and walk away. Or both.

[OneWingedShark]

Just like all libertarians your value is steeped in idealistic, unrealistic, reality!

Unrealistic reality? -- Sigh/You aren't listening to what I am saying.

The fact that you even entertain the idea Romney would govern like Obama is ludicrous.

I'm not saying he'd govern like Obama; but that he would do nothing [significant] to undo what Obama has done. The whole "issue waivers to all 50 states" idea is exactly that... but hey, you really should let that lull you into a false sense of security because, after all, Romney (or some future future President) would never threaten extortion via rescinding the waver[s]! No! They're as pure as the Holy Virgin covered in snow and topped with gold atoms!

It's like the whole false sense of security that Posse Comitaeus is: the Constitution specifically allows for the militia to "enforce the laws of the Union." (And yes, that can be applied to the active-military: they too are citizens, and through the magic of subsets, part of the militia.)

Furthermore, it sounds as though you do not have a firm grasp on what 4 more years of Obama would do to this country.

It sounds to me like you do not have a firm grip on what a false sense of security (to wit: Romney) will do to the country. These statists want you to think "Yay! We got someone on our side in!" because, let's face it, it'll keep you from getting fighting-mad. I say again, appeasing you and the Republicans, plays into the hands of the Statists because it releases your anger 'safely'.

Again, let me ask: what about Romney gives you even the hope that he will reduce the size and scope of government? What makes you think that he will encourage fiscal responsibility/accountability? Moreover, what makes you think that he is for capitalism, real capitalism, and not fascistic crony capitalism?

[OneWingedShark]

Chief justice Arnold with one ruling did what no one else could: showed beyond a reasonable doubt that the game we’re playing is rigged.

Which decision are you reffering to?

[RKBA Democrat]

I was referring to aca, but coming hot on the heels of the Az decision adds a certain exclamation point.

We have our answer. The PTB will act to defend the interests of the PTB. The game is rigged and continuing to play it under the existing rules is futile.

[sirchtruth]

Again, let me ask: what about Romney gives you even the hope that he will reduce the size and scope of government?

Alright, this is a fair question, BUT misses my point completely. My answer to your question is Romney will NOT reduce the size of gov't. But, that's not what matters at THIS POINT! Although, I believe Romney most certainly will try to repeal Obamacare.

Let's agree on one thing: We will either have Obama another 4 years or Romney. Those are the ONLY two realistic choices for POTUS.

And my point is Romney is not an anti-capitalist, American Idea hater. Among my choice for POTUS I have to do what I can legally to remove a person who is trying to destroy the greatest way of life and political system on the face of this earth and in the history of the world. Voting for Romney, even though it pains me so is the ONLY alternative.

[OneWingedShark]

Let's agree on one thing: We will either have Obama another 4 years or Romney. Those are the ONLY two realistic choices for POTUS.

The POTUS is, let's be honest, irrelevant in a system where the Congress would constrain his actions. Further, the POTUS will not be held to account by the current Government, such is already proven beyond reasonable doubt. Question: Would a Republican congress hold Romney in check when it is proven not to do so for Obama? If so, why?

My argument: It would be better to get honest, just, people of integrity into the Congress and cede the presidency as a lost cause. (It is, even if we put G. Washington in office he would be blocked from doing right by this statist government; we need to cut out the idea that position-of-authority = right-and-just; ie that those in a position of authority should be always deferred to because of that position of authority. Ref the USSC in their recent decisions.)

And my point is Romney is not an anti-capitalist, American Idea hater.

He is a statist, and will do nothing of significance to reduce the size and scope of the government. Therefore, he is not a friend of freedom and liberty, but by his actions would show if not a hatred for America then at least indifference.

Among my choice for POTUS I have to do what I can legally to remove a person who is trying to destroy the greatest way of life and political system on the face of this earth and in the history of the world. Voting for Romney, even though it pains me so is the ONLY alternative.

And I refuse to give in on this point. Just because he'll keep things the same is no justification to vote for him: things are, in my mind, utterly intolerable. To [vote to] keep them that way is folly and would only prompt my conscience to condemn me; therefore I will not, and cannot, vote for Romney.

But I do wonder: what would it take for people to get fighting mad? Bloody angry. Worked up enough to right the evils to which we have become accustomed.

[pistolpackinpapa]

How do you change the rules of the game; seriously? Also, if you pick up your marbles and walk away, what country are you headed to? If you end up in a good, Conservative Republic somewhere, let us all know where it is. We may want to follow.

[pistolpackinpapa]

You big government lovers sure make me laugh...although you guys are sad.
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Yeah, that’s right..... we “big government lovers”.... yeppers you got it. And, btw, just wait until we “big government lovers” and our “Dear Leader” take over your Health Care in 2014. You’ll be sorry you were so mean to us. You might even be sorry that you did not man-up, admit your guy did not win the GOP Primary, suck it up and vote for Mitt Romney in 2012, when you are sitting by smelly, homeless people while eating your free lunch in the soup kitchen down on the boulevard. Oh.... wait.... by 2014, you’ll probably be homeless and smelly too. No problem.

[RKBA Democrat]

There is no more conservative republic. Only what we have. I see that changing…though, when some of our states start to see the advantages of going it solo.

While I’m not a secessionist and don’t favor that course for Virginia at this point, the logic very well may prove compelling for other states. In that sense they’ll be picking up their marbles and walking away. That’s also a rule changer in and of itself. I see other possible changes as well.

[Graybeard58]

I pray that all the FReepers who hate Romney, will realize that they hate the anti-Capitalist, Socialist mind-set that has taken over this nation, even more and will PLEASE not stay home or waste their vote on a 3rd Party Candidate but will vote for Romney

I have no intention of voting for romney or obama and I'd rather not even be pinged to political threads. I have no dog in this fight and also have no intention of "not voting".

[sirchtruth]

My argument: It would be better to get honest, just, people of integrity into the Congress and cede the presidency as a lost cause.

WTH do you think happens now? The people who possess these traits you mentioned are sent to congress with the best intentions to change it and they end up falling into a system where they "think" they are powerless.

I view your argument as not wrong, to the contrary, you are mostly right, the problem is we are arguing two different issues I believe. The only thing which needs to change now is to remove Obama and his ilk from office and deal with Romney the rino later. However, now might be the right time where change is going to happen as you describe it in this election because people are so outraged by this SC decision.

My main point and what matters most in November is to remove the anti-capitalist, corporation hater in the WH.

Furthermore, under Romney the economy will immediately improve because people's outlook will change.

[samtheman]

I agree. Obama must go.

[nutmeg]

I'd rather not even be pinged to political threads

Sorry... I have removed your name from my ping list.