Posted on 06/28/2012 7:29:46 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA
The Supreme Court on Thursday upheld the individual insurance requirement at the heart of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.
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The doomsayers will probably not like those points - but it seems to me that they would rather curse the darkness than light a candle.
Elections are in November.
As disgusted as I was by the decision in Kelo vs New London, that government shall not take private property except for public use was somehow the power to take private property for private use if there were some public benefit to be derived thereby - it DID prompt some legislation preventing such from occurring again.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704402404574527513453636326.html
“According to the Institute for Justice, which represented Susette Kelo, 43 states have since passed laws that place limits and safeguards on eminent domain, giving property owners greater security in their homes.”
As I’m sitting here trying to digest this, shock and outrage giving away to fatigue from getting up way too early...I’m beginning to agree that maybe this will galvanize people and help the “get out the vote” effort to boot Obama.
It’s a huge victory for him, no doubt - but enough Americans are going to be pissed off about this, especially now that’s it’s officially a tax... that maybe this will give Romney some additional momentum.
Who do we vote for in voting against Obama, considering Romney is little different?
Obamacare is unpopular and the only thing that makes ACA ‘constitutional’ is the fact that its a massive tax on all Americans.
Yup, let’s hope Obama runs on it until November.
“I will not vote ever again for the GOP rather I will vote for the most liberal/socialists/leftists etc candidate from now on.
Voting any other way will not matter as it will be a waste of time and a vote.....”
That was tried in 2008 by lots of people, and look where it got us.
Don’t worry. The “right people” will get waivers. They’ll still get health care but will be exempt from the “tax”.
What would Harriet Myers do?
Essentially, did the SC kick this back to Congress?
John Roberts determines that the entire cram down “law” is a TAX which the congress has a right to do, and on that determination alone makes it constitutional?
psss
I think that is key. It is a TAX.
Republicans are saying if the law had been sold as a tax, it would never have passed. That isn’t true. While the Pelosi congress avoided the term “tax”, it would certainly have passed with a Democrat majority anyway.
They didn’t know or care what was in the dang thing, remember?
“It’s for your own good.”
It’s a man-date, bend over and enjoy the screwing the gub’ment’s gonna give us all.
Courtesy of Obama and his bribed Democrats.
Thanks, I have been following the Insider, too.
Thanks, I have been following the Insider, too.
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/health/state-laws-and-actions-challenging-aca.aspx
I PRAY you are right....we will see how many people are left in this country that care about it...
Ah Gentlemen,before you start calling for a revolution....I will point out that time and time again we’ve seen the Judiciary with the backing of the media do everything to undermine American democracy.
What happens to Mr.Holder will be critically important if the Judicial system is to be put in its. place.
Maybe not. I think he replaced O'Connor. Therefore, Roberts was not GW Bush's first choice. He was forced to turn to Roberts.
Harriett Miers would have gone along with the conservatives. She was a fairly solid pro-life vote, iirc. One of the arguments against her was that she wasn't very creative, and would have been a follower, not a leader.
What we can say about Roberts is that he is devious. He gets it both ways: gets to say the mandate is not viable under the commerce clause, which is what courts and conservatives were saying. So, he says that if the administration says the funding mechanism is a tax, then, despite the democrat's arguments in Congress, it is a tax.
Does this means we'll have a new line item on our paychecks: FICA, MED, and now Federal Health Care?
Is that what this means?
Also, everyone with any sense knows big business was dying to get out from under health care requirements. Big business also wanted cheap labor in America (Arizona ruling).
Could Roberts simply be a corporate interests vote?
What I find amazing is that Kennedy would have STRUCK THE WHOLE LAW DOWN.
I understand some of Robert’s reasoning based upon reading parts of the opinion. He basically believed it was his role to defer to Congress on this rather than rule against it since he found it reasonable that it was a tax. He said in one part the people are responsible for whom they elect.
I disagree with him completely that the law is a tax, obviously, but let’s not forget this law was uphold on A VERY WEAK, SMALL LINK.
That makes it ripe for Republicans to still claim victory even with this ruling and work to repeal the law.
If it is a tax, how are they going to implement it?
Income, property sales tax? Or will they send every person
in the United States a “tax bill” just for being alive?
I’m going to have to dig out my “Blow me” ink stamp when I
recieve my Obamacare bill.
His legacy is doomed as millions will one day spit on his name and the shackles of socialist hell that have been cast upon the American public.
Lol.
I couldn’t have been more against the attempted appointment of Miers, but we were just talking about that! “At least Miers wouldn’t have done this!!”
I’ve always liked Roberts, seemed like a true conservative, etc, and I was delighted when Miers was withdrawn and he was chosen. Now I’m just shaking my head going “did Bush do this to us??”
OK so my lawyer husband says that maybe Roberts saw this as an opportunity to limit the commerce clause, which he says could have far reaching implications that conservatives have been fighting for...
He could have ruled the mandate unconstitutional and still limited the commerce clause. Make no mistake about it...he’s another Souter at worst—Kennedy at best.
There are only 3 Conservative Constitutional judges on the court. We have 4 ultra liberal and 2 liberal/moderate traitors.
It’s crazy but I understood that states can opt out, like New Jersey, and Sebelius can not then pull all Medicaid from NJ as a punishment if they do. There are some odd nuggets that free up states, but the understanding of all the specifics won’t be digested today.
When you couple this with Roberts’ vote in the immigration case, I’d have to say that the guy is plainly not very conservative. I wish Bush had appointed another man, a guy with Scalia’s mettle...
The Rats are all on the record saying it was NOT a tax. Zero gave televised interviews scoffing at the thought it could be a tax. I hope this is used against them.
I suggested to my [pro-Obama] secretary that she start looking for another job, as my business won’t survive Obamacare without some radical cutting back.
Suddenly, Harriet Miers doesn’t look so bad after all.
Romney was just on saying he’d repeal it on day 1. I have no idea how he will actually accomplish that but that’s what he said.
If it is now officially a tax, can’t the President and congress just eliminate it effectively ending the law? No funding, no Obamacare?
@ POST #50
I feel your pain...
The repeal passed in 2011, it'll pass in 2012 and die in Harry Reid's Senate.
I've noticed the Media is misrepresenting the ruling (Fox saying the mandate was upheld, for example) and some people around me are already delirious with excitement for Obama's great victory with no comprehension of the law, the implications or the aftermath since it passed.
Romney's response was not JIP'd on talk radio where I am.
“...maybe this will give Romney some additional momentum.”
Oh, it did! From www.scotusblog.com:
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Via the Atlantic Wire, “Mitt Romney’s spokeswoman said the candidate raised $300,000 off the ruling in the first hour after it was handed down.”
Romney: “What the Court did today was say that Obama care did not violate the Constitution. They did not say that it is good law or good policy”
Romney: “This is now a time for the American People to make a choice. You can choose whether to have a larger and larger government making intrusions into your life... Or whether instead you want to return to a time where Americans have their own choice in health care.”
Romney: “If we want to get rid of Obama care, we are going to have to replace President Obama”
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Romney is smart, he is going to capitalize on this and use it as a hammer to put the big smackdown on Obama come election day. The same goes for the SCOTUS ruling on Arizona’s SB 1070. If most of that is unconstitutional and Obama has invalidated the rest by ordering ICE not to cooperate with Arizona law enforcement, then the answer is to run Obama out of office and restore cooperation again. We can override both SCOTUS decisions by voting for Obama’s opponent. I see this as a big win for Republicans because it will turn the voters in the right direction.
Did anyone actually see Roberts give the Oath of Office to Obam...All I ever saw was a still picture. I said from beginning Roberts was a traitor
Did anyone actually see Roberts give the Oath of Office to Obam...All I ever saw was a still picture. I said from beginning Roberts was a traitor
Good for you. Yours is the attitude we need to have. Our tippy-toeing around is not cutting it anymore.
The repeal passed in 2011, it'll pass in 2012 and die in Harry Reid's Senate.
Thank you for your response.
I just don’t know what else to say.
When my wonderful man, Arpaio, and his Cold Case Posse come forth, this should send everything into a huge spin. How can any of these things with BO/BS’s signature be legal?
He is an illegal president; therefore, everything he signed and continues to sign is illegal and worthless.
I can’t wait for the Cold Case Posse to come forth.
Why am I not surprised? You expected a rational world? We lost that world when Americans voted for Obama by their own free choosing.
This is by far the worst decision SCOTUS has ever made. America died today. There's no other way to frame this. It's over.
"THE IRS IS MY DOCTOR"
The ONLY surprising thing about this decision is how many people are surprised by it. Anyone with even just one foot in reality knew it would be upheld. But us “doomers and gloomers” were ridiculed. Well, who has the last laugh now? I knew just by the tenor of the (tough) questioning during the oral arguments that obamacare would be upheld.
It’s going to be fun listening to Hannity tonight. Last night he was bragging and crowing about the “devastating” one-two punch (obamacare and contempt vote) that would finish off obama today. Well, the first punch turned out to be nothing but wishful thinking. And the second punch? Even if Holder is voted in contempt, IT WILL BE COMPLETELY IGNORED BY THE MEDIA as they brag about a bi-partisan SCOTUS giving King obama everything he demanded. Ninety percent of the people in the US will never know about it. Hannity will be spinning like a top tonight.
I was wondering the same thing.. EVERY DECISION OBAMA HAS MADE IS NULL AND VOID. When’s Arpaio’s news conference that the media will totally ignore?
Been a while since my civics classes but I believe those kinds of things have to go through Congress. I don’t know how that can happen on Day 1.
“The last straw has just been placed on this citizen’s back.
This is no longer the country of limited government as designed and demanded by the founders.”
Could this Supreme Court ruling become a modern-day “Dred Scott” decision?
I’m starting to wonder if the ‘contempt’ this is all a dog and pony show.. To appease Republicans but the vote being held on the same day SCOTUS upheld Obamacaer to protect Holder from media scrutiny. Speaker Boehner is a coward and a traitor.
As I’m sitting here trying to digest this, shock and outrage giving away to fatigue from getting up way too early...I’m beginning to agree that maybe this will galvanize people and help the “get out the vote” effort to boot Obama.
And, on the flip side, this will galvinize the Kings’s flagging campaign like nothing else could possibly have done. I have no hope or optimism whatsoever for November. I doubt we even hold onto the House.
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