(I personally have no idea at all. Flip a coin. It could go either way.)
Posted on 06/25/2012 6:23:37 PM PDT by fightin kentuckian
I think the Justices have telegraphed the results. Here's why.
2. Scalia did something rare and unusual today. He read his dissent on the AZ law. I believe he did this not so much because he was not pleased with the outcome of the AZ law but more so because he needed to vent some steam because he knows that obamacare was upheld. He's not a good poker player.
3. Today, All justices voted to uphold the part of SB1070 that ALL LIBERALS HATED. No one expected a unanimous decision on this part of the law. NO ONE! It doesn't make sense...unless you put it with the other pieces. I believe the very liberal justices voted for this for two reasons a. It will give them some cover and a leg to stand on when they claim to be fair and balanced and that they can claim to give each and every decision equal consideration. b. This was a bone to throw the conservatives off the trail because they were fully aware that 1070 would be immediately negated by obamas order to DHS to ignore the law. A win win. We get to say we got what we wanted but they actually got what they wanted. Besides, how did obama know to have the order ready within minutes.
4. The arguments. We will all agree that the arguments phase of SB1070 and obamacare went very well. Even the liberal justices tore into the govt arguements in a way with made every conservative high five. I now believe that was a red herring and we are being set up for a BIG FALL.
I think there is a mole on the court that has been coordinating with the administration. I believe that obamas "secret" behavior about expecting the mandate to get overturned is a red herring. And as we all know, obama is a terrible poker player, quote "Don't call my bluff"
I hope I'm wrong but I think we're being played like a fiddle.
Can anyone convince me otherwise.
I fear you may be right.
There were four items ruled on with immigration, dems got 3 of 4. Softens the blow coming this week to knock down the individual mandate. Whether they kill the entire thing is another deal.
The SC has rarely, if ever , denied power to DC.
They might as well uphold it. Today the King issued a big “f**k you” to the SCOTUS for upholding just part of AZ,s immigration law. He will do the same if they vote against obamacare.
If you wear yourself out in your head with it, you are giving the left space rent-free.
Take a deep breath and wait. You could also mow my yard and weed the garden.
/johnny
I think you're right.
All of it? I think that at the least, the individual mandate will be struck down.
A roly poly mole, that’s for sure!
A roly poly mole, that’s for sure!
I doubt that you are right, but agree there is a mole who has leaked. Common sense says it is unconstitutional and today’s crap ruling was to “balance” the shoving of 2900 pages up soetoro’s rear.
I am not believing that one moment.
Thank you, Captain Bringdown.
The doom and gloomers have taken over this site.
The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. -- James 5:16
(I personally have no idea at all. Flip a coin. It could go either way.)
Why bother? We will know in 60 hours, give or take a couple of minutes.
“Ginsberg’s comment the other day about people who know aren’t talking and people who talk don’t know. She had a huge grin seemed pretty upbeat. Too upbeat to hide her feelings in fact. She’s not a good poker player.”
I also heard that Justice Kennedy is wearing the same underwear all week. From what I hear that usually means he votes to uphold. We’re doomed!
Judges all the way from small claims court to the Supreme Court have an instinctive desire to split the baby. We saw that today with the AZ decision. I think we’ll see the mandate being tossed, but not the entire law. Then, of course, the question becomes whether the law can stand as a practical matter without the mandate. They will leave it up to Congress to sort that out.
No, this court will be the one that finally finds something important the commerce clause doesn’t allow the feds to do!
What a waste of paper the rest of the Constitution has become: the commerce clause and the 14th Amendment uber alles...
You’re right but I can’t stop thinking about it. I was driving home from work thinking about all those parts that didn’t make sense then it hit me like a ton of bricks.
It’s the only way the pieces fit together for me. I think the entire obamacare is going to be upheld and it’s killing me. The pieces don’t fit together any other way that what I described.
I'll see your drivel and raise you........
Ditto. Although I expect another very sharply worded dissent from Scalia.
that market is only betting on the mandate being overturned not the entire law.
The mandate could very well be over turned and the rest of the law left intact.
Well, I guess it all Depends........
Intrade disagrees with you.
Darn-I think you’re right, also. Logical reasoning. it doesn’t count that it is unconstitutional anymore.
- Egypt falls to Muslim Brotherhood control
- Obama shamelessly invokes 'executive privilege' to hide 'Fast & Furious' docs AND CONGRESS LOOKS THE OTHER WAY.
- SCOTUS allows continued illegal alien invasion
- Obama unilaterally changes Federal Immigration law (impeachable offense) to benefit illegal alien invaders AND CONGRESS LOOKS THE OTHER WAY; Jobs, anyone?
- Pentagon sponsors parades for gay soldiers
Will the Supreme Court allow the government's THEFT of 1/6 of our private sector health care industry to allow for the IRS to preside over YOUR health care? Probably. Will they force you to pay for it and fine you if you don't? Perhaps not, but in light of all that's happened this month, it would be insignificant relative to the evil that has been waged upon America and our 'barely intact' Constitution.
Darn-I think you’re right, also. Logical reasoning. it doesn’t count that it is unconstitutional anymore.
You could be correct on this. It’s my understanding that Roberts will probably be reading the decision, basically because it’s his turn and having a Conservative Justice read the decision will blunt conservative criticism.
You are correct. Even if 0bamascare is stuck down, Hussein will implement it piece by piece through regulations. After all, he fancies himself as Emperor Hussein I of Amerika, after decreeing that he would only enforce those laws he liked, and having congress barely react.
If it is upheld, it should motivate the hell out of everyone who opposed it to get Obama out office so it can be repealed. Everyone considers a ruling against to be great for us, but it removes one huge motivator for November. Romney could beat Obama with it if it is upheld.
I don’t think anyone can really anticipate the type of civil unrest that may occur if the HC law is upheld. I don’t expect conservatives to take to the streets and burn things like liberals do. But, I expect widespread retribution against liberals in congress in the November elections followed by a large segment of the population ignoring the law in any way possible. This includes businesses and medical professionals.
Wrong.
We shall see.
It all starts (turning around) in 3 days.
If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.
/johnny
I know intratrade disagrees but they can be wrong as well. ON thing that bothers me is the confidence that most conservatives have that “at least the mandate will be overturned”. Too many, almost all, conservatives agree on this point and that’s what scares me. These decisions that are being handed down make no sense if you’re a constitutional scholar. They only make sense if you’re a liberal. Yes one or two went out way but that’s by design.
FWIW, I’ve been having the same nightmare all day.
I thought that is why the "Wise Latina" was placed there.
True -- and then Obamacare morphs into a completely different monster. But Congress needs to fix that new "Law of Unintended Consequences" Obamacare-without-mandate before the entire health care industry (20% of GDP) collapses and becomes the next domestic automobile industry. Or they should fix it before it collapses.
Millions of Americans hope and pray Obamacare will be overturned. Me included.
Thank goodness me and my fellow Wisconsin voters didn’t assume the position like many here.
After watching Pelosi coming apart at the seams lately tells me that she knows and her “crazier than usual” demener says she is quite rattled....
I believe someone at SCOTUSblog today posted that Scalia and Ginsburg regularly read their dissents like that.
Part of me hopes that Thursday morning I’ll climb out of the shower and towel off, take a sip of coffee, turn on the TV and see Juan Williams pitching a fit on FOX because it has been COMPLETELY overturned.
BUT I just can’t shake this gut feeling and it’s killing me. Damn!
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