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Dear Arizona; Has SCOTUS made secession your only option
Monday, June 25, 2012 | Bob Ireland

Posted on 06/25/2012 12:13:28 PM PDT by Bob Ireland

Dear Arizona;

As Justice Antonin Scalia has just written, the SCOTUS opinion against the state of Arizona concerning immigration problems has made the phrase 'sovereign state' of no further effect.

The primary function of government is to serve the people it represents. One primary function under that obligation is to protect the population it serves. The SCOTUS opinion states that - if the United States Federal Government has statutory mandate to fulfill that obligation - then the state has no right to supersede the Federal Government when the Federal Government refuses to extend that protection.

The effect of the SCOTUS opinion today is to eliminate states' rights' in a major area of the states' statutory mandate. Put another way, the Federal Government can establish rules that eliminate states' rights under historical common law.

This author therefore suggests that the state of Arizona call a Constitutional Convention of interested states - to potentially include Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Alaska and perhaps the Carolinas [and any other state wishing to bind itself under such restrictions as herein mentioned] - pursuant to forming a new sovereign nation established under the auspices of the original Constitution of the United States.

Such Declaration of Independence should include a rejection of an imperial presidency which reserves unto itself the right to establish and enforce laws as it best sees fit without legislative oversight. The Declaration should reject all laws and regulations that establish a socialist, communist or dictatorial interpretation of states' rights or citizen's rights.

Such a federation or commonwealth should recognize in perpetuity the right of any member state to withdraw from the union when the said union jeopardizes the rights, liberties or the pursuit of happiness of said member state and its citizens. It should recognize the responsibility of the Executive Office as lawfully established to enforce laws properly passed by the legislature of representatives of the people, and to be interdicted against reinterpreting the meaning of such legally passed laws or refusing to enforce said laws.

The convention of agreeable states should establish such legal standards as were envisioned by the Founding Fathers of the United States, and should carefully protect states' rights and individual citizen's rights.

It is impossible to see any other alternative for states and citizens wishing to protect their Constitutional rights in the face of a runaway Federal Government of the United States, and its various organs, that has all but suspended the founding intent of the original Constitutional Convention.

LET FREEDOM RING!!!


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: constitution; secession; statesrights; vanity
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To: Windcatcher

Absolutely agree. We must all stand together.


121 posted on 06/25/2012 5:36:31 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: nanetteclaret
You are forgetting TEXAS. We were a sovereign Republic from 1836 to 1846. We did it once before; we can do it again.

Texas has been a minority-majority state for several years, and Hispanics are about to pass up whites as the largest population, probably within 5 years, if not sooner. Whites dropping below 50% of the state, and then dropping below Hispanics is happening far quicker than anybody imagined. Not to mention that far too many people from California, New England, and Florida have moved into Texas in the past 15 years or so. Do you really want to go down that road?

I don't think the Hispanics would try and reunify with Mexico or anything, but I doubt you would get the Republic you dream of, because in addition to all of the liberals and liberal Republicans that have moved into Texas in recent years, the Democrats have done a damn good job of catering to the Hispanics. Republicans would be in serious trouble within a few years if the Democrats weren't so incompetent, but eventually their numbers will win out. 2016 could easily be the last time a Republican Presidential candidate wins the state. Anybody who thinks the Democrats aren't drooling over the prospects for Texas to once again be Democratic is a fool, especially since the Democrats will be a lot more liberal this time around.

There is a reason why our current Governor supports the Texas Dream Act, why he's spoken to La Raza just a few years ago. and why he wanted a guest worker program. He probably saw the trends long before most of us did.
122 posted on 06/25/2012 7:40:15 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Carry me back

We must all hang together or we will surely hang separately.


123 posted on 06/25/2012 7:41:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Bob Ireland

BFLR


124 posted on 06/25/2012 7:43:54 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Bob Ireland

” - - - I think where we went wrong with Keynes is, simply, greed.”

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where Keynes went wrong had nothing to do with “greed” but had everything to do with his stupid, (stupid is the inability to learn), attempt to replace Market Economics.

Price is the intersection of fear and hope. You and I hope that the economy improves, but we fear that it will not.

The Anti-Capitalists, Keynesian air-heads, the OWS and the Liberal Agenda Media say it the same way but they think it this way: “ We need to stimulate the economy so it will increase by the sheer GREED of the fat cats on Wall Street, and we KNOW that the financial hell we create will also be due to the sheer GREED of the Fat Cats on Wall Street.

Liberals see only greed and despair in private business, whereas the market sees hope and fear driven by supply and demand.

The kitchen table for American Families is where the family checkbook gets balanced every month.

The Kitchen Table for the US Federal Government is the conference table that resolves the budgetary differences between the US House and Senate. That table has been unused since arrogant and incompetent Dictator “You Lie” Obama came to power.

To say that the US Federal Government is in a tailspin financially is an understatement!

It is time to reject Keyensian Economics as it has NEVER worked!!!!!

It is time to embrace “The Invisible” hand of Samuel Adams’ Free Market and restore supply and demand, fear and hope to America.

Failure is essential to drive home the powerful fear that motivates those who sincerely want to succeed. DISCARD THE DAMNED VOLKER RULE onto the trash heap of failed economic ideas, as it is based on the false premise that only Government can protect all of us from things that go bump in the night.

The Bolsheviks have had their day, and it is time to stand up to them by IMPEACHING Obama, abolishing the Dodd Frank Anti-Banking Law, and each year cutting 10 % across the board on all Welfare Federal Baseline spending, and each year a 20 % cut to the salary and expenses to all elected Federal Politicians.

Since 30 % of the wealth in the World was destroyed in 2008 and 2009, it is high time that the size of the US Federal Baseline Spending be decreased by 30 % in the next 3 years.

The US Federal Government has been a 20 % predator to the US Economy from the end of WW2 until the Zipper Boy years.

Now the Keyensian Debt of the US Federal Government is greater than the GDP of the entire US Economy.

At 1:48 PM EVERY work day the US Federal Government runs out of money, and is forced to borrow money from our grandchildren to finish out each work day.

The Gold Standard got in the way of Keynesian Economics, NOT of wealth creation. Wealth creation went on in spite of the 20 % predatory taxation millstone of the US Federal Government.

Each hotshot politician that comes along has some Keyensian gimmick to buy votes from gullible voters. JFK bought our votes with his damned “Federal Aid to Education” and now the crib to unemployment line debt created is greater that the credit card debt of their parents! Thanks for NOTHING, JFK!!!!!!!!

But I digress.

Ponder the words of Paul Harvey: WHEN YOUR OUTGO EXCEEDS YOUR INCOME, YOUR UPKEEP WILL BE YOUR DOWNFALL.


125 posted on 06/25/2012 8:44:42 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: muawiyah
Just wait on the FBI to find the bodies, or the injured parties, and tend to them.

Oooooo .... you play rough there, podna. Me likee.

126 posted on 06/25/2012 9:35:12 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Bob Ireland
Sorry, Bob, but I'll never make it to the camp.

Very well written, BTW ....................................... FRegards

127 posted on 06/25/2012 10:19:53 PM PDT by gonzo ( Buy more ammo, dammit! You should already have the firearms ... FRegards)
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To: af_vet_rr
There is a reason why our current Governor supports the Texas Dream Act, why he's spoken to La Raza just a few years ago. and why he wanted a guest worker program. He probably saw the trends long before most of us did.

Try it this way: He works for rich people who want cheap workers and who have moved heaven and earth to have things their way. How 'bout that?

Look, if you shut down the jobs, Mexicans go home and stay home. You can't make employers offer work to U.S. citizens if they are determined not to do so, but you can stop them from screwing up the polity by importing hordes of aliens.

It's importation of peasant labor that is the problem, and you have a very short, arrestable list of people who are doing it. So do something about it. Throw Butts and Perry and Pilgrim in jail, and let them rot. Problem disappears.

128 posted on 06/26/2012 12:09:39 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: ridesthemiles
That was a carrot given to Texas to get it back into the union in the 1800’s.

I believe the jurisprudence since ratification of the Constitution has always been that reservation clauses in ratification articles have always been invalid. It's always up or down.

The idea that ratification is a "threshold event", a one-time consent that can never be undone (as opposed to "perpetual" consent, which is continually renewed -- until revoked) has always been wrong and bad, and a favorite among "locked-door/suitors of Penelope" school Yankee politicians who intended then and now to prey on the South and the other agrarian sections of the country. Big favorite of theirs, and they've enforced their view with megascale death and violence against dissenters.

The "offer" that the triumphant Yankee politicians made Texas in 1865 was that, if the Texas Militia and Confederate troops would go home, they, the new owners and Lords Ordainers of the United States, would not send William T. Sherman into Texas with > 100,000 men to burn, kill, and destroy everything in sight.

129 posted on 06/26/2012 12:38:17 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Yehuda; Jeremiah Jr; ladyL; 444Flyer
Of course Arizona has been the state in the news for its visceral rejection of the tactics of the Obama nation. Sounds like

ארץ ציונה

i.e. the land toward (in the direction of) Zion.

Seventy years of weeping.

Dan 9.2. In the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, perceived in the books the number of years (בספרים משפר השנים), which, according to the word of the Lord that came to Jeremiah the prophet, must pass before the end of the desolations of Jerusalem; seventy years:

In the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, perceived 1177*, which, according to the word of the Lord that came to Jeremiah the prophet, must pass before the end of the desolations of Jerusalem; seventy years:

* בספרים משפר השנים =1177

1177

Jerusalem, allegory for America

Paint by number!

130 posted on 06/26/2012 12:57:04 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Jack Black

bookmark


131 posted on 06/26/2012 1:04:27 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Graewoulf

I think you have misunderstood my comments... but it is off the subject of this thread. I do hope I make it clear that Keynesian economics has little to recommend it, especially when the govt gets involved heavily in the free market.


132 posted on 06/26/2012 5:56:22 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Ezekiel
...or הארץ ;-)
133 posted on 06/26/2012 6:06:11 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: arrogantsob
Secession is not a legal option

My understanding is that for Texas it is - something about their status and inclusion into the Union.

Regardless, legal issues in this day and age under a tyrant are specious - only one side apparently is playing by the rules - Obama routinely ignores it.

Finally, the precendent for legality was set by the Union when they won the Civil War. IOW, winner sets the rules. My feeling is that ultimately, secession, or Civil War, or both or just complete breakdown and third world anarchy is the end of this.

134 posted on 06/26/2012 6:11:31 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Bob Ireland

” - - - I think you have misunderstood my comments... “

Yes, I probably did. Sorry.

One of my many hotbuttons got pushed, and it appears that it was self-inflicted.

I will strive to do better the next time.


135 posted on 06/26/2012 7:36:12 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: arrogantsob

The debate has been raging for decades - there is no more time & correspondence has been met with scorn and Federal suppression.
Again, toss legality out and act!


136 posted on 06/26/2012 1:28:06 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: berserker; Tublecane

Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man’s original virtue. It is through disobedience and rebellion that progress has been made.”
- Oscar Wilde


137 posted on 06/26/2012 1:37:21 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Try it this way: He works for rich people who want cheap workers and who have moved heaven and earth to have things their way. How 'bout that?

Look, if you shut down the jobs, Mexicans go home and stay home. You can't make employers offer work to U.S. citizens if they are determined not to do so, but you can stop them from screwing up the polity by importing hordes of aliens.

It's importation of peasant labor that is the problem, and you have a very short, arrestable list of people who are doing it. So do something about it. Throw Butts and Perry and Pilgrim in jail, and let them rot. Problem disappears.


I agree with you on that - start arresting the folks running these companies that keep getting caught with illegals or that everybody knows is using illegals, and they'll stop hiring illegals pretty fast. Dry up the jobs, most of the illegals go elsewhere. Some will try to stick around and abuse the system, but if you can send a bunch of them back, it frees up law enforcement to deal with the worst of the bunch.
138 posted on 06/26/2012 3:39:44 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Gaffer
Finally, the precendent for legality was set by the Union when they won the Civil War. IOW, winner sets the rules. My feeling is that ultimately, secession, or Civil War, or both or just complete breakdown and third world anarchy is the end of this.

As I said, secession for Texas is not an option.

Secession or Civil War in general won't happen either. This country is far too mixed, unlike the 1860s, and more people care about who won American Idols than what any politician is doing. People are too damn lazy to want to rebel. I live in Texas, cameras are going up all over this place, even in so-called "conservative" parts of Texas, local law enforcement is getting drones and cameras on their police cars that scan and catalog license plates. Houston elected a lesbian for mayor, Dallas elected a lesbian for Sheriff, and nobody really cares. Fox News, the supposedly "conservative" news network is pushing almost as much sleaze as the liberal networks, and the parent company is promoting homosexuality to children, yet nobody cares. Your best chance was a few decades ago.
139 posted on 06/26/2012 3:52:58 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: B Knotts

Why would you assume that power is something divorced from reason? It seems likely to me that power is the result of reason. Irrational power up against rational power is generally a loser.

No matter what happened in the Civil War it would not have changed the contradiction between what was attempted and the meaning of “constitution”.


140 posted on 06/26/2012 7:53:30 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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