Skip to comments.Dear Arizona; Has SCOTUS made secession your only option
Posted on 06/25/2012 12:13:28 PM PDT by Bob Ireland
As Justice Antonin Scalia has just written, the SCOTUS opinion against the state of Arizona concerning immigration problems has made the phrase 'sovereign state' of no further effect.
The primary function of government is to serve the people it represents. One primary function under that obligation is to protect the population it serves. The SCOTUS opinion states that - if the United States Federal Government has statutory mandate to fulfill that obligation - then the state has no right to supersede the Federal Government when the Federal Government refuses to extend that protection.
The effect of the SCOTUS opinion today is to eliminate states' rights' in a major area of the states' statutory mandate. Put another way, the Federal Government can establish rules that eliminate states' rights under historical common law.
This author therefore suggests that the state of Arizona call a Constitutional Convention of interested states - to potentially include Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Alaska and perhaps the Carolinas [and any other state wishing to bind itself under such restrictions as herein mentioned] - pursuant to forming a new sovereign nation established under the auspices of the original Constitution of the United States.
Such Declaration of Independence should include a rejection of an imperial presidency which reserves unto itself the right to establish and enforce laws as it best sees fit without legislative oversight. The Declaration should reject all laws and regulations that establish a socialist, communist or dictatorial interpretation of states' rights or citizen's rights.
Such a federation or commonwealth should recognize in perpetuity the right of any member state to withdraw from the union when the said union jeopardizes the rights, liberties or the pursuit of happiness of said member state and its citizens. It should recognize the responsibility of the Executive Office as lawfully established to enforce laws properly passed by the legislature of representatives of the people, and to be interdicted against reinterpreting the meaning of such legally passed laws or refusing to enforce said laws.
The convention of agreeable states should establish such legal standards as were envisioned by the Founding Fathers of the United States, and should carefully protect states' rights and individual citizen's rights.
It is impossible to see any other alternative for states and citizens wishing to protect their Constitutional rights in the face of a runaway Federal Government of the United States, and its various organs, that has all but suspended the founding intent of the original Constitutional Convention.
LET FREEDOM RING!!!
Take over congress and all this becomes moot.
It is very simple. We take over the senate via a veto proof majority. then no RINO rebellion from the WH.
You are right... look next for the Democraps to try to get the states above mentioned - who have been frugal and responsible in their spending - to bail out their profligate Democrap friends and happy spenders like Fornicalia and Michigan and Vermont.
“The simplest and easiest thing to do is scour the state statutes to find every instance where there may be an existing federal pre-emption or even partial pre-emption and simply refuse to enforce such laws as convient to the state or local budget.”
This is a good idea. And, of course, the beginning of the end.
Thanks for the link
Sounds about right... although I do not see a lot of hope in elections right now.
I am saying that interpretations of civil and/or constitutional law in this area are meaningless, as the law is ultimately defined by force.
Absolutely! ...and they are not all 'Hispanic' either!
Chicago, for example ~ then New York City, Long island and Connecticut.
Parts of Jersey, parts of Pennsylvania, parts of Michigan ~ Brownsville TX.
We can all make similar lists.
Steady, there, Banquo... ;-) I am mostly a lurker lately... but always ready when it is time to pick up the old muskets!
DOWN with the KING!
My thoughts, exactly.
The names you mention are depending on the states I mentioned to bail them out for their outrageous over-spending.
I’m not advocating it, though it wouldn’t bother me. The problem is the power in washington. I would like to see many states ban together and stop taking it on the chin from washington.
Thanks for this thread. For almost 80 years we have been saddled with the failed Keynesian Economic System. It has bankrupted the US Federal Government.
The derivatives of the WW2 Wage and Price Control Dictates are as follows: Medicare, Medicaid, Romney”care” and Obama”care.”
There will be additional calls for State Constitutional Conventions if the Republicans try to preserve or retain ANY of Obama or Romney”care.”
Obama”care” is the Death Knell for America. It must be ABOLISHED FOREVER if America is to survive.
If Obama”care” does survive, then I favor Regional Areas of the former United States of America. I think the States that the XL Pipeline will run through makes excellent sense for one Region, called The Texas Region. The Mississippi Region would be those States that the Mississippi River runs through. Pacific and Atlantic Regions are obvious, as are the Rocky Mountain States.
In this way people could vote with their feet and move to a greater or lesser degree of personal Liberty.
The Great Experiment of forcing the United States of America back into the European Feudal System began with FDR’s Social Security System and will end with Obama”care.”
No need for armed conflict, as we have already tried that with our bloody Civil War.
Just hold State Constitutional Conventions, split up into multi State Regions, and hold Fourth of July “Remember When Days” once a year, as we thank our lucky Stars that we in NO WAy are like Europe.
Maybe you came up with the solution. AZ stops taking all federal money. This eliminates all entitlement programs. No welfare check and watch them all move to California.
Guess we need to adjust the text a bit. The government and all parties involved are criminal enterprises.
Don’t forget that AZ re-elected mccain and Brewer won’t support taking obama off the ballot. I sure as hell don’t see secession in the future.
Brewer jumped in front of the cameras crowing how AZ had won. obama was waiting then told her the feds won’t accept any illegal aliens arrested under this law. I’m not convinced Brewer is as sharp and conservative as some think.
I have been scouring my files - but could not find :-( - a file about some Russian in the 90's who predicted the US would do just that by [now, I think].
Generally I have been a supporter of Keynesian economics - on a very moderate scale. We could never have produced so much wealth since WWII if we had stayed on the gold standard. I think where we went wrong with Keynes is, simply, greed. Trillions of $$$ on margins [of as little as a few %] and away too much debt on all sides has sunk Keynes - for good I hope. :-|
***The government and all parties involved are criminal enterprises***
Only because the Democraps have overthrown our normal Constitutional process - with the help of their lackey media, educators, state and local lieges, etc. They have truly transformed our 'Free Republic' into a banana republic.
I hope you are well... age is the worst tax we pay. ;-/
I believe that the constitution of Texas clearly states that it may remove itself from the Union if it desires to do so.
That was a carrot given to Texas to get it back into the union in the 1800’s.
My prediction is that in the very near future, AZ cops will undergo instruction on how to find an illegal in violation of an AZ state law — any AZ state law — that lets the state hold them. I would expect the state legislature to come up with some imaginative solutions to asssist in this regard.
As a show of solidarity, I’d like to call on every GOP legislature in the country to pass similar statutes.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.