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Obama & Holder Ordered Gunwalking Operation
http://www.freerepublic.com ^ | June 22, 2012 | Gargantua

Posted on 06/22/2012 8:31:18 PM PDT by Gargantua

Back in 2009 the White House held a news conference announcing their new plans for taking action against the Mexican drug cartels. President Obama's spokesman lays out the plan ordered by President Obama and Attorney General Holder.

Two questions arise rather quickly:

1) How can they now claim not to have had any idea about this badly bungled operation until it was made public following the Brian Terry murder?

2) Why are Darrell Issa and the rest of the GOP Congress allowing this slow-waltz of pathalogical liars to parade before these hearings when they have access to the same vidoe you are about to watch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PNhYk9NuNc&feature=share

One thing is absolutely certain: Something stinks in Denmark.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: alteredsource; banglist; congress; fastandfurious; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; lying; murdergate; obama; sourcetitlenoturl
Whattup yo? Seems fairly conclusive to me. You?
1 posted on 06/22/2012 8:31:31 PM PDT by Gargantua
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To: Gargantua

It’s not just Brian Terry. There is MORE:

Remember the Dept of Customs guy who got zapped by some non-Sinaloa cartel guys down in Mexico about 2 years ago? They said it was random, relying on the public image of Mexico as generally very dangerous, which is true. But in fact the reason for the kiling was specifically BECAUSE of this Obama/Sinaloa agreement:

You see, apparently how things go down in Mexico is this; when word gets out to cartels that some entity does important business with ONE cartel, the general view of the others is that that entity is more or less an extension of THAT cartel. See?

And apparently that’s the view even if the deal seeker is the US Dept of Customs. The other drug scums think, “they are proto-SINALOA guys...”

So they killed him.

Now, that is bad enough. But what if instead you were a lowly badged gringo schmuck simply doing what you were told, down there, and you didn’t KNOW of the arrangement? That is just a GUESS of mine —that the secret agreement might be so sensitive that for security and political reasons they might not tell the guys low on the totem pole.

That would mean whenever you drove around town down there you might be passing drug guys on the street who saw you as a RIVAL drug dealer AND YOU DID NOT EVEN KNOW THAT.

I mean you would NOT KNOW you were in danger, you would not know to use stealth. It would be like finding out mid-way during a cocktail party that you’d been nude that whole time.

So it’s NOT one officer killing, that BP agent —it’s TWO.


2 posted on 06/22/2012 8:32:28 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Gargantua

Politics Chicago style.

Obama and Holder should both be doing time.


3 posted on 06/22/2012 8:33:31 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: gaijin

I’m not convinced they even thought it that far through...

The big thing was to support the myth that US arms and gunshops were the problem. Field agents wherever, undercover or what were not the concern.

When children are in charge you get childish results.


4 posted on 06/22/2012 8:39:38 PM PDT by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: Gargantua

5 posted on 06/22/2012 8:40:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Jack Hammer

Not only should they both be behind bars, but Congress has the irrefutable, unambiguous video proof of this fact. So why the slow dance with the lying Executive Branch tap-dance team—Prezzy Barrio Bummer and Eric “Dick” Holder?


6 posted on 06/22/2012 8:44:05 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Barack O'Bunga--America's first gay president...")
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To: Jack Hammer

The media continues to run interference as usual again.


7 posted on 06/22/2012 8:47:56 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: Gargantua
Excellent points and good find on the YouTube clip.

What needs to be happening now is for the Speaker Weeper of the House to declare that it is no longer "business as usual" and literally shut down any and every piece of impending business EXCEPT for that which relates to what are surely 'high crimes and misdemeanors' committed by this lawless regime.

Articles of Impeachment need to be introduced, but finding a GOP lawmaker with the balls to do so (not to mention Boner finding his spine to make it happen) is the trick.
8 posted on 06/22/2012 9:07:31 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front!)
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To: Gargantua
Here's what happened: Obama and Holder and (tons of our elected leaders) got caught because some undercover DEA agents got in a battle with some undercover FBI agents using guns that ATF agents forced gunshops owners to sell to undercover CIA agents who were 'gun mules', and 2 Border Patrol Agents got caught in the crossfire.

The FEDS have recently been supporting the Sinola cartel with the most undercover agents and guns, and have already opened up ARIZONA to them to use as an illegal trafficking corridor.

The deal is which ever gang wins, controls drug traffic/illegal immigrant traffic/general mayhem/rape of young girls , and gets Arizona, all under the approval and monitoring (payoffs) of the US and MEXICAN government.

9 posted on 06/22/2012 9:10:51 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: One Name

The goal was chiseling away at the 2nd Ammendment, as you said, but the mission was NEVER to track guns or cartels, but to wait for the body count, to obtain blood shed and dead bodies, use the numbers of dead, (the greater the better), attach a story to it, and throw it out to US media to drive it home. 300 Mexicans had to die, with our guns, for an agenda to advance the case to get guns in the USA.

The depth of determination to get guns is scary. The ATF and the Justice Dept were tracking no one, including the cartels. They were instead waiting to phone it in.


10 posted on 06/22/2012 9:23:24 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: Gargantua
Don't forget the President's spokesman categorizing the operation as one started in the previous administration and stopped by the current Attorney General. The problem with that lie is that the operation was stopped in 2010 and Holder claimed to not know about it until 2011.

How would the administration claim their AG stopped an operation he didn't know about?

11 posted on 06/22/2012 9:23:29 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: mkjessup
"Speaker Weeper of the House to declare that it is no longer "business as usual" and literally shut down any and every piece of impending business EXCEPT for that which relates to what are surely 'high crimes and misdemeanors' committed by this lawless regime. Articles of Impeachment need to be introduced..."

I agree 100%. 15-20% of the country (the hardcore Leftist Loonbags) will shriek that it's an "election year stunt," but the timing can't be helped, and the consequences of inaction could not be more dire. They have to strike now, and be relentless and committed.

Problem is, they won't. I'm sending this video to Sarah, to see if she'll get on up the soapbox about it. This cannot be swept under the rug!

The arrogance and imperious disregard for the Law here is staggering.

;-\

12 posted on 06/22/2012 9:24:47 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Barack O'Bunga--America's first gay president...")
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To: Gargantua
If anyone here knows how to take that video's url and post it as a working link in this thread, please do so. Thank you!
13 posted on 06/22/2012 9:28:10 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Barack O'Bunga--America's first gay president...")
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To: Gargantua
15-20% of the country (the hardcore Leftist Loonbags) will shriek that it's an "election year stunt," but the timing can't be helped, and the consequences of inaction could not be more dire.

I heard Michael Meds this afternoon saying that very thing. "Romney and the GOP need to lay off this issue and get back on the economy - the opposition will beat the GOP up over going after Obozo and his withHolder. All Presidents have used Executive Privledge." Of course we all know Meds is a closet Liberal posing as a "conservative" talker.
14 posted on 06/22/2012 9:32:08 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Gargantua

Bookmark


15 posted on 06/22/2012 9:33:35 PM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: Gargantua

Link you requested ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PNhYk9NuNc&feature=share


16 posted on 06/22/2012 9:37:23 PM PDT by shove_it (just undo it)
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To: Gargantua

None of this would have ever happened if anyone would have gone to the trouble of actually vetting the Kenyan usurper.


17 posted on 06/22/2012 9:38:49 PM PDT by Bullish (Liars aren't always thieves, but thieves are always liars)
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To: Gargantua

Video says it all. Guilty! Lets move on to the sentencing.


18 posted on 06/22/2012 9:46:34 PM PDT by Casie
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To: Gargantua

If the Communist Party USA had a group vacation trip and the plane crashes year before they figure out how to get Obama in the much lofted position to convert America to a socialized state I would think we would not have had any of the current problems in America.

All roads lead back to the CPUSA.

CPUSA concocted the strategy with the results being an event or events across America that would polarize the nation against the 2nd Amendment, removing the guns from Americans.

Obama and the CPUSA NEEDED Obamacare plus Fast and Furious.


19 posted on 06/22/2012 9:48:49 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: Bullish
Remember, but only vaguely:

1.Obama reportedly saying he had a secret 'plan' or program to enhance gun control (reduce gun rights)
2. Obama or admin made statements about gun seizures. Hillary part of statements. Found on trains?
Sorry, it was in 2009, or thereabouts.

20 posted on 06/22/2012 9:50:13 PM PDT by CT
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To: Gargantua

How many other Obama orchestrated secret operations are underway in order to change policy through public outrage? With lefties the end always justifies the means regardless of how many people die in the process.


21 posted on 06/22/2012 10:43:10 PM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Gargantua
FOR REFERENCE:
MISCONCEPTIONS

THIS VID YOU POSTED CONFUSES THE ISSUE. It is about GUNRUNNER, a legit op started under bush. It was perverted under obama to F&F.

22 posted on 06/22/2012 11:38:42 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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From David Codrea:

A lot of them are out there concerning Gunrunner, like finding the Ogden video and the $10M funding are proof Obama ordered guns walked. No--those are only proof that a known project was authorized by the government--not in secret, but with press releases and everything.

GUNRUNNER has been well known. For a long time. See those "Journalist Guide" icons in the left margin of my WarOnGuns blog? Guess where I got the cover art to modify from? And Gunrunner is NOT synonymous with Fast and Furious--that was a component strategy presented as a sting op. that turned out to be something else.

Mike and I are concerned with gunWALKING--where the stated mission was deviated from with the criminal conspiracy we now see unfolding.

Suddenly I am being hit with a wave of tips about the old known stuff like it's being discovered for the first time--for many, I'm sure it is. I don't know if the genesis of that originates from people not knowing the history of this and jumping in to be helpful and spread the word, or if there is intent to sow confusion and misdirection.

Either way, it does not help, and can actually hurt. A lot.

23 posted on 06/22/2012 11:42:54 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Gargantua

Take another look at that video. Something is goofy at about 58 or 59 seconds. Like there has been some editing or whatever.


24 posted on 06/23/2012 12:40:11 AM PDT by matthew fuller (Hussein Obama Dada is absolutely the most offensive President that the US has ever suffered.)
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To: Gargantua

This is very interesting also-
http://www.coachisright.com/fast-and-furious-is-not-the-only-reason-to-put-the-corrupt-eric-holder-in-an-orange-jumpsuit/


25 posted on 06/23/2012 12:45:02 AM PDT by matthew fuller (Hussein Obama Dada is absolutely the most offensive President that the US has ever suffered.)
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To: Gargantua
How can they now claim not to have had any idea about this badly bungled operation until it was made public following the Brian Terry murder?

The only thing that went wrong (bungled) was that they got caught! These guns were never tracked - that was the point of the operation: to increase the number of guns crossing the border to attack our Second Amendment Rights! PERIOD!

26 posted on 06/23/2012 3:47:59 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Gargantua

Maybe Obama worked a deal with the cartels to provide them guns???


27 posted on 06/23/2012 3:52:45 AM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: Gargantua

The only thing I dont Understand on this Video is That These people are talking about this Gun Running stuff but they Claim Mexico was Involved with tracking these Guns,According to Mexican Officials Now they Claim they were not Notified of Guns being Brought into their Country under Fast and Furious. According to this Video something was surely Going on and Both the White House and Justice and everyone else sure Knew something was happening so what the hell did Mexico at this Time THINK was going to Happen?
I would like to hear from Mexico People who were in Charge at this time speak as to what this whole operation being discussed here was SUPPOSED to entail. Were they supposed to be tracking these Guns,which they Obviously Did Not? Someone is sure Lying and I dont trust the scumbag in the White House or the Mexicans


28 posted on 06/23/2012 4:11:42 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: One Name
People dying is the only possible outcome of allowing drug cartels to buy guns and not monitoring where the guns would end up. Obama and Holder knew, but didn't care.

When the government agencies would not authorize the surveillance, some agents tried to watch the purchasers on their own.

29 posted on 06/23/2012 4:48:24 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: All
Here is even better video showing they knew here: http://www.therightscoop.com/bombshell-proof-obama-and-holder-knew-about-gun-walking-in-2009/ it even features big sis.
30 posted on 06/23/2012 4:53:04 AM PDT by markedmannerf
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To: broken_arrow1
“The only thing that went wrong (bungled) was that they got caught! These guns were never tracked - that was the point of the operation: to increase the number of guns crossing the border to attack our Second Amendment Rights! PERIOD!”

Exactly, They knew people would die, but didn't care. Taking guns away is the first step in controlling the people before a government takeover.

31 posted on 06/23/2012 4:55:08 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: Gargantua

BFLR


32 posted on 06/23/2012 5:07:48 AM PDT by Raven6 (Psalm 144:1 and Proverbs 22:3)
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To: FR_addict

I really hate the un-American Marxist traitors in power, and more so - the useful Idiots that make up half the US population. How can the next election be anything but a landslide? There are a lot of TAKERS on the democrat plantation and they mean to stay there.


33 posted on 06/23/2012 5:32:12 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: USNBandit

Actually Wide Receiver was terminated in 2007 by the people who were running it. Holder definitely didn’t end that program. F&F was begun in Oct. 2009.


34 posted on 06/23/2012 8:35:31 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Gargantua

Afterburner with Bill Whittle: Follow the Ideology

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFIpoL3jrfo&feature=youtu.be


35 posted on 06/23/2012 8:37:57 AM PDT by Walmartian (An update is available for this tagline. Click here to download.)
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To: Gargantua

I’m glad this story is finally getting some attention. I first saw that video about a year ago.


36 posted on 06/23/2012 8:38:05 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: CT
1.Obama reportedly saying he had a secret 'plan' or program to enhance gun control (reduce gun rights)

0bozo told Sarah Brady "I'm still pushing gun control, but under the radar."

2. Obama or admin made statements about gun seizures. Hillary part of statements. Found on trains?

I don't know about that but 0bungles, Holder and Hillary were making frequent statements about a "river of guns" flowing to Mexico from the U.S.

Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth

37 posted on 06/23/2012 8:47:53 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: MestaMachine
It is confusing. Project Gunrunner was the agency-wide program. F&F was part of Project Gunrunner out of the Tucson ATF office just as Operation Castaway was, which ran guns to Honduras out of the Tampa ATF office, as a part of Project Gunrunner. One of the guns used to kill ICE Agent Jaime Zapata was “walked” from a Texas gun shop so that would have been a different ATF operation than F&F too but still part of Project Gunrunner.

0baMugabe, Holder and Napolitano have used that confusion to deliberately muddy the waters.

While the weapons found at the Zapata murder scene were not from among the Fast and Furious guns, this revelation is profoundly significant, because it directly contradicts sworn testimony by Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.

“I have no information to that effect, no. I don’t know one way or the other,” she replied to a direct question on any Fast and Furious connection by Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas.

Word games. Here's the little trick Napolitano, Holder and ATF are playing. F&F was an ATF operation run out of the Tucson AZ office. But some guns were walked out of Texas gun shops which puts them in the jurisdiction of Texas ATF offices so those ops must have had other names. So far I have not seen any reporting on what those op names were.

So you are right that Project Gunrunner was a legitimate program begun in 2005 under Bush but it is still the name of the program used when 0bama came into office and is the umbrella program for all of the criminally insane local ATF operations run since his ascension to the throne.

38 posted on 06/23/2012 9:05:09 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: MestaMachine
Both Holder (under questioning by the House Oversight Committee) and Obama's new mouthpiece (Jay Carney) have said on any mumber of occasions that Fast & Furious was (is) just an extension of the Bush program known as "Wide Receiver." Bush shut down "Wide Receiver" long before O'Bunghole took office.

All of them—"Wide Receiver", "Fast & Furious", "Gunwalker", etc.—are one and the same since Obama took office. For this venal Quisling to state for the record that, on the one hand, he had (as announced in the 2009 video used as the basis for this post) a legitimate "Gun Walking" program in place, and then there was this new "Fast & Furious" program which was started by the ATF's Arizona Field Office without his or Holder's knowledge is absurd! Doesn't begin to pass the smell-test.

It is also typical of the "Watch the Left Hand" obfuscation which has become a hallmark of this felonious bandersnatch of a Manchurian non-President bastard weasel jerk. Pig-dog.

;-\

39 posted on 06/23/2012 9:06:39 AM PDT by Gargantua ("Barack O'Bunga--America's first gay president...")
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To: Jack Hammer

“Obama and Holder should both be doing time.”

Only as long as it takes to arrange the gallows on the Capitol steps, and finish the job.


40 posted on 06/23/2012 9:14:39 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: ballplayer
According to Mexican Officials Now they Claim they were not Notified of Guns being Brought into their Country under Fast and Furious.

It was established many months ago that neither Mexican authorities nor ATF agents stationed in Mexico were informed of the "gun walking" going on under F&F. That info didn't come from Mexico but it might be hard to find the article(s) it was first published in now.

41 posted on 06/23/2012 9:17:17 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Gargantua

For the record; there has never been a program or operation called “Gunwalker.”


42 posted on 06/23/2012 9:28:43 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Gargantua

Obama and Holder are beginning to look like an old Amos n Andy reel. And the liberal elites are in denial while Hollywood and the gays are still kissing Obama’s butt. It is up to the patriotic traditionalist silent majority to give Obama and his minions the boot


43 posted on 06/23/2012 9:36:21 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Step 'n' Fetch It had nothing on these two knavishly duplicitous bozos as they tap-dance around in the mine-field of their own deceitful perfidy. As is true of most habitual liars, they spin so many astucious yarns that they can't begin to keep track of them.

The reason cops ask the same questions over and over for hours when interrogating someone they believe to be guilty, is because eventually the liar trips himself up by contradicting a prior statement. This is almost always proof of some form of a deceit, as someone merely repeating the truth will most likely not vary when recounting the facts.

O'Bunghole and withHolder are cooked. Sooner or later they'll step smack-dab into the pile of crap they've dumped over the past months, and they'll be caught bald-faced and whining.

;-\

44 posted on 06/23/2012 10:25:58 AM PDT by Gargantua ("Barack O'Bunga--America's first gay president...")
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To: Gargantua

They like to lie their arses off, feel confident doing so, because they know the media will dutifully spread their lies without any criticism. Like Rush says, he calls them Obama’s steno pool. Hopefully this is changing towards more fair reporting because the lies and the executive privilege Obama pulled is getting too much for our liberal journalists.

Democrats are used to getting traction in the media, this is why they smirk when they spread their lies. Republican have trouble getting their messages out due to media bias


45 posted on 06/23/2012 12:50:40 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: TigersEye
Thanks, TigersEye. Exactly what I was looking for.

Learning how to do custom searches on Google. I'm thinking Lexis Nexis would also be helpful.

46 posted on 06/23/2012 2:06:47 PM PDT by CT
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To: CT
You're welcome. Wish I had Nexis Lexis too.
That's still a pricey subscription service isn't it?
47 posted on 06/23/2012 3:21:12 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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