Skip to comments.Reports: Turkish warplane shot down by Syria
Posted on 06/22/2012 8:19:50 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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Trouble is, aren’t Syria, Russia, and Iran having the biggest war games ever this week? If so, things like this can happen, and sometimes wars start.
Not that I’m a war monger (though I’ve been accused of it before). I’m just curiouser and curiouser to figure out what Ivan’s game is.
And yet America elected Obama during good times! What if we had famine?
Still looking around out here for information and want to thank you for keeping me updated.
There were some reports of this earlier in the week but I personally regard them as unconfirmed. Not saying that they’re not happening, just that I’m not sure. In those initial reports the chicoms were said to be playing as well.
Best as I can tell this is sunni vs. shiite with ivan and iran ligning up on the shiite side while Europe and the US has thrown in with the sunnis.
Not sure there are any good guys here.
This maybe is one of the references having been mentioned prior in your post ... http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syria-apologizes-for-taking-down-turkish-warplane-turkish-pm.aspx?pageID=238&nID=23802&NewsCatID=341
I personally regard the "giant Russian/Chinese/Syrian/Iranian" exercise reports as utterly false garbage, not just "unconfirmed."
The "report" (any other "reports" were just regurgitating the original nonsense) were from an previously-proven completely unreliable source (a semi-official Iranian news agency), described things that were pretty much operationally impossible, used terminology indicating a lack of knowledge of military matters, and of course they have all been denied by all governments mentioned.
The only reason people gave them credence was that 1) If it was true, it was exciting and scary and 2) it allowed people to indulge whatever their favorite End Times fantasy was.
I hear ya; I’m trying to find a useful outcome..... got one?
Russian client dictatorship in Syria shoots down plane of a Russian enemy.
Thanks - my BS detector had gone off for many of the reasons you cite but I wasn’t completely sure.
okay, probable BS or false flag. Confirmed!?!?
Ignorant people make better consumers.. It doesn’t matter what they think.
If Turkiye decides to "go banzai" with Syria, it will be an asswhooping that hasn't been seen since Gallipoli....and is that is why "surly Russian bear" has made a show of moving men and material into Syria. The Syrians have been supporting PKK for decades. If Syria is smart they will back down quickly.....if not.......
Although you may technically be correct - the weapon in this instance hadn't been fired at NATO member territory - there had been instances in which other weapons had been from Syria at individuals in Turkey.
Also, you quoted the original articles where you should have looked at the Protocol to the North Atlantic Treaty on the Accession of Greece and Turkey ttp://tinyurl.com/7vr6auf
Upon the entry into force of this Protocol, the Government of the United States of America shall, on behalf of all the Parties, communicate to the Government of the Kingdom of Greece and the Government of the Republic of Turkey an invitation to accede to the North Atlantic Treaty, as it may be modified by Article 2 of the present Protocol. Thereafter the Kingdom of Greece and the Republic of Turkey shall each become a Party on the date when it deposits its instruments of accession with the Government of the United States of America in accordance with Article 10 of the Treaty.
If the Republic of Turkey becomes a Party to the North Atlantic Treaty, Article 6 of the Treaty shall, as from the date of the deposit by the Government of the Republic of Turkey of its instruments of accession with the Government of the United States of America, be modified to read as follows:
For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France, on the territory of Turkey or on the islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in whicH occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.
It is questionable and contraversial if you are to make it work this way. First, it is huge to claim this jet as a part of occupation forces and second it is stupid to think of the rest of NATO to back Turkey if such a claim to appear with Russia and China on the other side. Claiming it Turkey is risking to get condemned as an agressor inserting ocupation force for an agressive war.
These things take time and patience. First and foremost intellects on this forum should, if they’re going to rummage through alliance agreements, get their documents straight. Anyway, it’s your leadership who’s manipulating the world here. I have the honor of being led by your stooge.
Are you here or there (in Turkey)?
Both... Neither... Why?
Am sending a link (not the link mention in my post or comment mentioned). Comment #20 may be of interest ... http://www.topix.com/forum/world/turkey/TMNFQLBUFMA7G49VA
Turkey is slowly degrading into an Islamist state the way Iran did in 1970s. Where are Kemalists in military? Most of them are purged during a last few years. There are growing presence of Qurans in public places, anti-Western rhetorics etc. I know some Westernized Turkish people and talked to them, they find their domestic situation scary.
T.E Lawrence threw the Turks out for a reason.
T.E. Lawrence threw the Turks out for a reason.
You're absolutely right; thank you for the correction. Still, I don't think it changes the conclusion. Assuming the airplane was over Syria when shot down, the same conclusion applies.
AM update (players at the chess board imho) ... http://news.yahoo.com/syria-shoots-down-turkish-jet-claims-rebel-massacre-031941481.html
Thanks for the update n-t-i. As I stated on other threads, let's hope the Syrians back down quickly. Turkiye is the big dog and I fear what could happen if they cut loose..
"The Turkish Armed Forces is the second largest standing armed force in NATO, after the U.S. Armed Forces, with a combined strength of just over a million uniformed personnel serving in its five branches. Since 2003, Turkey contributes military personnel to Eurocorps and takes part in the EU Battlegroups. Turkey is also considered to be the strongest military power of the Middle East region besides Israel.
Every fit male Turkish citizen otherwise not barred is required to serve in the military for a period ranging from three weeks to fifteen months, dependent on education and job location. Turkey does not recognise conscientious objection and does not offer a civilian alternative to military service.
Turkey is one of nine partner states of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) development and production programme. Turkey is one of five NATO member states which are part of the nuclear sharing policy of the alliance, together with Belgium, Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands. A total of 90 B61 nuclear bombs are hosted at the Incirlik Air Base, 40 of which are allocated for use by the Turkish Air Force.
In 1998, Turkey announced a programme of modernisation worth US$160 billion over a twenty year period in various projects including tanks, fighter jets, helicopters, submarines, warships and assault rifles. Turkey is a Level 3 contributor to the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) programme.
Turkey has maintained forces in international missions under the United Nations and NATO since 1950, including peacekeeping missions in Somalia and former Yugoslavia, and support to coalition forces in the First Gulf War. Turkey maintains 36,000 troops in northern Cyprus; their presence is supported and approved by the de facto local government, but the Republic of Cyprus and the international community regard it as an illegal occupation force, and its presence has also been denounced in several United Nations Security Council resolutions. Turkey has had troops deployed in Afghanistan as part of the United States stabilisation force and the UN-authorized, NATO-commanded International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) since 2001. In 2006, the Turkish parliament deployed a peacekeeping force of Navy patrol vessels and around 700 ground troops as part of an expanded United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) in the wake of the Israeli-Lebanon conflict.
To understand the enormous degree and complexity of his task, he even changed the alphabet of the entire country.... and that was just the beginning!
I’ll take my chances with Vlad Tepes and Ordinul Dragonului...
The Turks are a mortal enemy...
I don’t know what your position is on the matter since you insist on lack of clarity in your posting, I lump the Turks in with the communists and Obama.
I lumped the Turks in with the communists and Obama. And you lacked clarity in your posting.
And you’re a plagiarist, fantastic.
Why are you so angry?