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Suspected burglar shot in the face by Tacoma homeowner(WA)
Q13 FOX News Online ^ | 19 June, 2012 | Web Reporter

Posted on 06/20/2012 10:38:56 AM PDT by marktwain

A Tacoma homeowner shot a man who had broken into his house in the face on Tuesday, police said. The incident occurred near South 14th Street and Madison Street.

The homeowner was on the phone with 911 as the suspect was breaking into the home about 6 p.m. When he entered, the homeowner shot the suspected burglar in the face with a gun loaded with bird shot.

The injured man was transported to St. Joseph Hospital in Tacoma. His injuries are life-threatening.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; facelift; home; shotgun; wa
Bird shot is deadly at short range.
1 posted on 06/20/2012 10:39:10 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

That would have to make somebody reconsider crime as a living or way of life.


2 posted on 06/20/2012 10:44:41 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: marktwain

Very glad the homeowner was armed and could successfully defend himself from the threat that broke through his front door.


3 posted on 06/20/2012 10:45:48 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: marktwain

That’ll give him a pockmarked face........


4 posted on 06/20/2012 10:46:36 AM PDT by fredhead (It's my Herbie year...check out the number on the side of the famous VW.)
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To: marktwain

Perp’s new nickname is Freckles!


5 posted on 06/20/2012 10:46:57 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO, same for RINOs)
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To: marktwain

000 buckshot is deadlier


6 posted on 06/20/2012 10:46:57 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: varmintman

Induced blindness tends to do that. Crime suppression anyone?


7 posted on 06/20/2012 10:48:55 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: marktwain

The thief got away with a pound of ground beef, on the end of his neck.


8 posted on 06/20/2012 10:50:28 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: marktwain

Wow! It is pretty brazen to break into an occupied home in broad daylight.he had to have been coming to hurt or kill the homeowner. I’m glad the homeowner is OK.


9 posted on 06/20/2012 10:51:26 AM PDT by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
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To: marktwain

At close range bird shot can be deadly. At 9-10 feet in most guns it has only spread to about 1 1/2 to 2 inches and makes quite a mess...penetration is low in #7 or #8 but obviously is much greater as the mass of the individual pellet increases...ie #4 birdshot.
http://www.firearmsid.com/A_distshotpatt.htm
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/02/robert-farago/shotgun-penetration-with-various-rounds/


10 posted on 06/20/2012 10:54:35 AM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: marktwain
His injuries are life-threatening.

Sounds like a painful way to go. I have trouble working up a tear though - he should have found a job that doesn't involve the risks inherent in crime.

11 posted on 06/20/2012 10:55:20 AM PDT by Pollster1 (A boy becomes a man when a man is needed - John Steinbeck)
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To: marktwain

“Bird shot is deadly at short range!”

One of younger relatives lives on a close quarters cul de sac with neighbors home close on 3 sides.

He was advised by a former LEO, who is now an attorney not to buy 00’s for home protection. Besides the possibility or seriously wounding or worse a family member or an overnight guest, his close neighbors could be in danger.

He was told to buy bird shot like 8’s. Which he did.

Since then he and I did some checking around with ER docs/rns. They said a load of bird shot at close range would stop anyone. If it didn’t kill them then, they might wish that it had killed them.

So I bought some low base 8’s and shared the box with a couple of relatives living tight quarters.


12 posted on 06/20/2012 11:04:15 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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IMHO Need something slightly larger than 8 but smaller than 00.
#8 = one wall http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14_3.htm
#00 = four walls http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14_4.htm
I seen some tests with #4 bird that looked like a good balance between stoppage and penetration worries. I saw one recommend that first loaded #4 bird as first two shells followed by #4 buck followed by slug. If angle of fire in your home indicates probability of penetration into bedrooms, I would go with small. Remember to practice your angles in your home, learning where good retreat and ambush spots are and the most likely first shots from both directions. Remember they can return fire and they aren’t worried about over penetration. So don’t set up your defense position with the bedrooms with sleeping kids in them behind you. Pick a different spot so any return fire has a less dangerous backdrop.


13 posted on 06/20/2012 11:24:04 AM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: tgusa
000 buckshot is deadlier

At close range (across a room), not necessarily. The birdshot will not have had a chance to spread out, and will hit as one mass. And the doctors will NOT have much luck digging out all those little pellets.

14 posted on 06/20/2012 11:29:03 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: An American!

I’ve been conducting loading tests to produce a shell for both twenty and twelve gauge guns that uses #2 buckshot n a 2 1/8 inch —before shooting— shell. I tried #4 shot but found it would not provide the recoil needed for the length of shell with either a plastic shaped shot wad or the usual wad discs. #2 ont he other hand can be supplimented with # 7 shot for even more effect. I’ve cycled them through pumps and semis and found them to be very reliable and devastatingly effective. It also allows these shotguns with five round mags to hold a sixth round.


15 posted on 06/20/2012 11:29:23 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Grampa Dave
From the link I provided above...

#8 Birdshot

#8 Birdshot Penetration

#4 Birdshot

#4 Birdshot Penetration

#4 Buckshot

#4 Buckshot Penetration

16 posted on 06/20/2012 11:30:32 AM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: tgusa
Tests of birdshot vs buckshot in ballistic gelatin. Lots of good pics.
17 posted on 06/20/2012 11:33:42 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: PapaBear3625

With only 3-4 inches of penetration in gelatin, I think #8 is not enough. A winter intruder with a heavy coat etc, would be knock down with minor penetration. It would feel like he got hit in the chest with a 95mph baseball and may temporarily incapacitate depending on the size of the guy or gal.
I would recommend at least #4 birdshot.


18 posted on 06/20/2012 11:45:45 AM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: fredhead

That’ll give him a pockmarked face........

Bad guy gets a "Shotgun facelift".

19 posted on 06/20/2012 11:54:31 AM PDT by dancusa (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. H.L Menkin)
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To: An American!

I agree. Heavy birdshot as the first round in the magazine, followed by buckshot if the first round doesn’t solve the problem.


20 posted on 06/20/2012 12:03:54 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: marktwain

I’m getting 4” groups at 40-45yds with this .00buck...

http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/buckshot.aspx?id=516

...in both my Remy Tactical 870:

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/tactical/shotguns/model-870-express-tactical-blackhawk.aspx

& 1187 Autoloader:
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/tactical/shotguns/versa-max-tactical.aspx

Might as well use a slug for HD, at 10-15ft. Walls can be repaired, and I use my Kimber 1911 .45cal w/ 230gr HPs. Either way, my ears are going to be ringing for a while. LOL.


21 posted on 06/20/2012 12:43:43 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs & most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: An American!
BoT is IMHO the best gun site on the web. It dispels an awful lot of myths and stupidity.

Also IMHO, having nothing but a shottie loaded with birdshot for defense is suicide. This guy was very lucky to get that shot. He should load with buckshot.

22 posted on 06/20/2012 12:54:50 PM PDT by jboot (Galt by default.)
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To: An American!

Thanks for this.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14_4.htm

For some reason, my computer service is blocking some of the tests.

So many of our homes have nothing but the studs/framework and dry walls. The nearest home to us is 75 yards away, and I’m not really worried about neighbors with our 1 inch siding and theirs.

However, even with a 2800 square foot home, grandkids or visitors could be in danger from 00 as it ripped through 3 to 4 dry walls.

What’s interesting about your #4 bird #4 buck. Decades ago a former police chief recommended low based #4s backed up by #4 buck for our home when our kids were at home.


23 posted on 06/20/2012 1:21:04 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: An American!

Thanks, the gelatin block shots are very graphic and easy to understand.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/02/robert-farago/shotgun-penetration-with-various-rounds/


24 posted on 06/20/2012 1:27:50 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: An American!

My cop friends tell me number 4 is what their SWAT team prefers inside of residences. Best compromise of spread and penetration.


25 posted on 06/20/2012 9:05:26 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the White House)
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To: Gabrial

Is your friend using #4 bird or #4 buck

#4 Buck 6.09 mm (0.240”)
#4 Bird 3.28 mm (0.129”)


26 posted on 06/21/2012 6:06:58 AM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: An American!

Number four bird is what they use.


27 posted on 06/21/2012 6:25:02 AM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the White House)
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