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Police: Craigslist robbery goes awry as buyer, seller come armed(MD)
baltimoresun.com ^ | 19 June, 2012 | Peter Hermann

Posted on 06/20/2012 5:36:06 AM PDT by marktwain

The couple in search of a car found the sedan they wanted for sale on Craigslist for $4,000. They arranged a meeting Monday night on a street in Bolton Hill lined with 19th-century rowhouses.

But Baltimore police said both the seller and the buyer took guns to the transaction. And when one of the men who posted the ad drew his weapon and demanded money from the prospective buyer, police said his female acquaintance pulled her own gun and fired into the air.

The gunman dropped his weapon on Bolton Street and the woman gave chase, "firing her weapon numerous times indiscriminately in the air," said city police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi. No one was hit by gunfire, but police said they seized both guns and arrested the victim on weapons charges.

"We understand that this was a terrifying, frightening situation, but when you fire a gun into the air, you become part of the problem," Guglielmi said of the female victim in Monday's Bolton Hill attack. "The best thing to is to be a good witness and call the police."

The two men who tried to rob the couple escaped, and were described only as men in their 20s. City police said the holdup was linked to an earlier attack in which a 20-year-old man and two of his relatives were robbed and assaulted on Laurens Street in West Baltimore, also after answering an ad about a car for sale.

In May, police arrested a man in connection with a separate string of four armed robberies in Northwest Baltimore after they said he posted on Craigslist that he had coins to sell.

The spate of attacks linked to the popular Internet bartering site is prompting new warnings by police, urging people exchan"People are targeting others on Craigslist," Guglielmi said,

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Robbery prevented, no one hurt.
1 posted on 06/20/2012 5:36:20 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Firing into the air seems pretty dumb, though. For one thing it allows the continual waste of oxygen by the criminal.


2 posted on 06/20/2012 5:38:36 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: marktwain
Bullets fired into the air land somewhere.

Sheriff: Stray bullet kills Amish teen 1.5 miles away

3 posted on 06/20/2012 5:40:26 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: coloradan

She should have shot the dude dead. No question.
Firing into the air could have gotten her boyfriend killed, and the bullets have to come down somewhere, and at nearly the same speed as they went up.


4 posted on 06/20/2012 5:44:25 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Amish? Seriesly?


5 posted on 06/20/2012 5:44:48 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: marktwain

“The best thing to is to be a good witness and call the police.”

IDIOT!

The guy pulled a gun on them!

You can’t “be a good witness” or “call” WHEN YOU’RE DEAD!!


6 posted on 06/20/2012 5:46:36 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: coloradan
"The best thing to is to be a good witness and call the police."

Got that? Be a good witness. Surrender your money, your possessions, maybe even your life, but don't you dare fight back or walk around armed.

After the crook leaves you with whatever he decides is not worth taking, call the police. I'm sure that within an hour or so, someone will be down to take a statement, which will be filed away and probably never be seen by human eyes again.

7 posted on 06/20/2012 5:46:47 AM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: marktwain
she didn't use "the proper" gun techniques...
good stance/good clear aim/fire twice...the 3"S". :-P
feel free to add

8 posted on 06/20/2012 5:47:25 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; different flie$". :^)
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To: marktwain

—Robbery prevented, no one hurt.—

That’s pretty much how I see it. I wonder if they keyed the guy’s car afterward...


9 posted on 06/20/2012 5:49:52 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: marktwain

The buyers lives were threatened. Do you have to a rocket scientist to understand?


10 posted on 06/20/2012 5:50:50 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Let's keep this simple.

1. Every bullet has a lawyer attached to it.

2.If you have reason to pull a gun, you have reason to fire it.

3.If you have reason to fire it, you had better be trying to stop the threat to yourself or others.

Conclusion: Warning shots are stupid, especially when the other person has ALREADY pulled out a gun.

11 posted on 06/20/2012 5:52:45 AM PDT by Pecos (Constitution? Oh, you mean that thing we USED to have.)
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To: Pecos
My only point was that shooting into the air is a criminal act in and of itself.

The only reason to pull a gun is to plug the perp who is threatening you.

12 posted on 06/20/2012 5:55:25 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: cuban leaf
"I wonder if they keyed the guy’s car afterward..."
a couple of bullet holes in both car doors, would've looked just right! :-D

13 posted on 06/20/2012 5:56:30 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; different flie$". :^)
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To: marktwain

Given the city, the criminals get to keep their guns, but I suspect the victims guns are going to be stolen by the police.


14 posted on 06/20/2012 5:56:50 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: marktwain

In my area of KY a man tried to sell a gun on our local version of CL (yes, it’s awesome. You can sell guns and pets here with online want ads). The buyer tried to rip him off and ended up dead. It was ruled self defense. This one happened at the seller’s house.

And in other news, some people just tried to drive their cars last year and ended up dead. Over 40,000 of them.

Life is risk.


15 posted on 06/20/2012 6:01:09 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: G Larry

Yeah, part of “being a good witness” is to be alive to BE a witness.


16 posted on 06/20/2012 6:03:47 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
She should have shot the dude dead. No question.

One problem: Maryland is a "May Issue" state, where it's hard to get a permit, so it's likely she was carrying illegally. Killing a guy while in commission of a crime (illegal carry) might have turned out very badly for her in court. It being Baltimore, and the circumstances of the transaction, lead me to think that neither side were fine upstanding citizens with clean records.

17 posted on 06/20/2012 6:05:28 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: G Larry

Maybe the po-po would suggest firing with a Taser to render the criminal immobile.

Website needed: “Victim Was Arrested”.


18 posted on 06/20/2012 6:12:31 AM PDT by unsycophant
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To: marktwain
The best thing to is to be a good witness and call the police

Good as in, "the dead are silent witnesses." They never contradict themselves. Like on that forensics show. No thanks!

But shooting in the air was a bit batty. She's lucky both her and her boyfriend weren't killed. All's well that ends well, I guess. But that dude has got to find someone better to ride shotgun next time!

19 posted on 06/20/2012 6:12:55 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: MrB
For further insight, we turn to Hatcher's Notebook (1962) by Major General Julian S. Hatcher, a U.S. Army ordnance expert. Hatcher described military tests with, among other things, a .30 caliber bullet weighing .021 pounds. Using a special rig, the testers shot the bullet straight into the air. It came down bottom (not point) first at what was later computed to be about 300 feet per second. "With the [.021 pound] bullet, this corresponds to an energy of 30 foot pounds," Hatcher wrote. "Previously, the army had decided that on the average an energy of 60 foot pounds is required to produce a disabling wound. Thus, service bullets returning from extreme heights cannot be considered lethal by this standard."
20 posted on 06/20/2012 6:24:37 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: LibWhacker

“But shooting in the air was a bit batty.”

Why do we choose to believe ANYTHING the leftist freaks in the media write?

Reporter with an agenda couldn’t help saying “indiscriminantly” instead of saying she failed to hit what she was shooting at.

Looks like most of us here bought the yellow journalism at face value.


21 posted on 06/20/2012 6:29:08 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: cuban leaf

Life is risk.

Absolutely correct. They only time you are not at risk, is when you are dead.


22 posted on 06/20/2012 6:30:40 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“The gunman dropped his weapon on Bolton Street and the woman gave chase, “firing her weapon numerous times indiscriminately in the air,” said city police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi. No one was hit by gunfire, but police said they seized both guns and arrested the victim on weapons charges.

“We understand that this was a terrifying, frightening situation, but when you fire a gun into the air, you become part of the problem,” Guglielmi said of the female victim in Monday’s Bolton Hill attack. “The best thing to is to be a good witness and call the police.”

****

All a hit piece on the intended robbery victims.


23 posted on 06/20/2012 6:31:35 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: G Larry

Totally agenda driven article, and most here bought the statement without question that an armed, prepared citizen just started firing “indiscriminately” into the air.


24 posted on 06/20/2012 6:34:34 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: marktwain

And to quote from Strictly Ballroom, a life live in fear is a life half lived. ;-)


25 posted on 06/20/2012 6:35:36 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
And in other news, some people just tried to drive their cars last year and ended up dead. Over 40,000 of them.

Actually only 32,310. (This figure has been going down at a surprising rate.) Of course not all of these people were drivers.


26 posted on 06/20/2012 6:36:41 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: freekitty

Cops arrested everyone they could FIND.....

Guess the couple didn’t have a dog.


27 posted on 06/20/2012 6:37:05 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: marktwain

“The only time you are not at risk, is when you are dead.”
In our current USA you are at risk from conception.


28 posted on 06/20/2012 6:40:08 AM PDT by certrtwngnut (It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes. (Josef Stalin))
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To: wideminded

Holy cow! The recession really has taken its toll. What other explanation would there be for a 25% decline in 5 years?

That is HUGE, and even with people texting...

This may just be the biggest indictment against the quality of the economy yet.


29 posted on 06/20/2012 6:41:27 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

Yes, a lot fewer people driving.

Yet we’re in year FOUR of “THE RECOVERY”!


30 posted on 06/20/2012 6:43:10 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: wideminded

You may notice that the decline in traffic deaths has been on an even sharper decline since the _resident took orifice.


31 posted on 06/20/2012 6:43:44 AM PDT by certrtwngnut (It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes. (Josef Stalin))
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To: marktwain
and arrested the victim on weapons charges.

What???? Who are they kidding??? They arrest the victim??? for shooting into the air??? They were probably mad that they didn't get to use their chalk.

Next time they will have a homicide on their hands, and that is probably what they want, and what they will get.

32 posted on 06/20/2012 6:43:52 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The article would have read the same with all FACTS in place if the article had reported that she MISSED.

“Shooting indiscriminately in the air” advances the anti-American agenda.

And most of us willingly ate it up.


33 posted on 06/20/2012 6:45:50 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Uncle Chip

MISSING is now “shooting indiscriminately” and of course arrest-worthy.

I am ashamed that so many here simply accepted the article’s report as is without question.


34 posted on 06/20/2012 6:48:28 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“My only point was that shooting into the air is a criminal act in and of itself.”

Yes, of course.

Trust what you read from the media.

They’ve got your back.

Do I need the /s? Probably so.


35 posted on 06/20/2012 6:51:04 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Bullets fired into the air land somewhere.

Sheriff: Stray bullet kills Amish teen 1.5 miles away
_______________________________________________________

It is definitely possible to kill someone from a mile and a half away, snipers certainly try it on occasion. Shooting a gun at a very high angle however, like straight up is very unlikely to kill someone. The terminal velocity of a bullit shot straight up is going to be about 100mph. That is fast enough to hurt but not likely to kill. A gun shot at a low angle is a different story altogether. As long as a bullit is still spinning it is likely to be going faster than 100 mph. The lower the angle the shorter distance of travel. One and one half miles is a pretty great distance for a nine millemeter especially a hollow point. A good review of the problem was done by Mythbusters. Here is a link to their story.

http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/04/episode_50_bullets_fired_up_vo.html


36 posted on 06/20/2012 6:52:21 AM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: cuban leaf
It looks like the decline began before the recession. One other explanation is of course the price of gas which was already up over $4 before the recession.

But the rate of fatalities per billion miles traveled has also been going down. Apparently there have been some safety improvements in cars that can account for some of this. And perhaps there is some stricter enforcement of traffic laws.

37 posted on 06/20/2012 6:55:54 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded

I’d be interested in the trend from 1995, when the 55 MPH limit bit the dust.


38 posted on 06/20/2012 6:57:15 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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—Apparently there have been some safety improvements in cars that can account for some of this.—

Like texting? It’s the reason I stopped bicycle commuting and gave up motorcycling.

I do think the price of gas has something to do with it, but that speaks to the economy. And the drop actually started just as we were getting wind that a bubble was crashing. I start the significant decline in 2007.


39 posted on 06/20/2012 7:02:24 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Check out posts #20 and #36. It would seem that shooting into the air is less lethal than many would think, and the obvious choice if you are trying to scare a suspect rather than kill him, other than shooting into the ground.


40 posted on 06/20/2012 7:06:04 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: MrB
She should have shot the dude dead. No question.

Nah. Once he'd dropped the gun and left, she should have picked up the gun and they should have gone home. Can't just leave a gun laying around, y'know, that'd be unsafe....

41 posted on 06/20/2012 7:06:40 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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I take it you are a proponent of firing into the air like an ccamel-humping Islamofascist retard?

A few years back I found a rifle bullet in the parking lot of where I worked that was sticking up at about an 80-degree angle. It had obviously been fired into the air at a steep angle. It had mushroomed appreciably from impact with the asphalt. I seriously doubt that anyone hit in the head by it would have survived.

Granted, the probability of hitting someone is pretty low, but when you fire into the air you are saying that you are willing to take the chance that you will accidentally kill someone because you are special.

And if you do kill someone by firing into the air, are you saying that you should not be prosecuted for negligent homicide?

42 posted on 06/20/2012 7:06:54 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: treetopsandroofs
Ask any CCW instructor about the advisability of firing into the air, Einstein.
43 posted on 06/20/2012 7:13:13 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Uncle Chip

I’m ok with that, I just don’t trust the media telling us she was shooting “indiscriminately in the air”.

I’m appalled at the number of people here these days that quote the media as fact and base their opinions on it.


44 posted on 06/20/2012 7:13:56 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Ask any CCW instructor about the advisability of firing into the air, Einstein.”

I’ll give you two for one.

You’re a moron and imbecile for for believing what you read in the media.


45 posted on 06/20/2012 7:17:01 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs; JAKraig
So What Happens to All Those Bullets Fired in the Air? Can They Kill You? (In short, yes.)
46 posted on 06/20/2012 7:18:38 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: treetopsandroofs
So What Happens to All Those Bullets Fired in the Air? Can They Kill You? (In short, yes.)

You and Islamofascist camel-humping retards have a lot in common.

47 posted on 06/20/2012 7:20:52 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: cuban leaf

I wonder if they keyed the guy’s car afterward...

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Probably wasn’t even the perp’s car. I’d be willing to bet that he just cased the street for a few days to decide which bait car to use for his ad.


48 posted on 06/20/2012 7:32:58 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

So true.


49 posted on 06/20/2012 7:33:58 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: treetopsandroofs
Why do we choose to believe ANYTHING the leftist freaks in the media write?

Uh... The police said she fired indiscriminately into the air. Arrested her for it.

50 posted on 06/20/2012 7:42:43 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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