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Microsoft Announces Surface: New Family of PCs for Windows
Microsoft.com ^ | 18 Jun 2012 | MS

Posted on 06/19/2012 10:05:11 AM PDT by for-q-clinton

LOS ANGELES — June 18, 2012 — Today at an event in Hollywood, Microsoft unveiled Surface: PCs built to be the ultimate stage for Windows. Company executives showed two Windows tablets and accessories that feature significant advances in industrial design and attention to detail. Surface is designed to seamlessly transition between consumption and creation, without compromise. It delivers the power of amazing software with Windows and the feel of premium hardware in one exciting experience.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: ipadkiller; microsoft; windows; zunekiller
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To: for-q-clinton

Very cool!


51 posted on 06/19/2012 11:42:08 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: o2bfree


Windows 8 Surface Tablet Announcement
52 posted on 06/19/2012 11:46:18 AM PDT by o2bfree
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To: driftdiver

better yet they have it ready ON-TIME!

Then they have the next XBOX going to come out and if the leak was accurate—it’s going to revolutionize the living room. http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/18/tech/gaming-gadgets/leaked-documents-reveal-xbox-plans/index.html?npt=NP1


53 posted on 06/19/2012 11:47:34 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Swordmaker; driftdiver

Kind of like all those “viruses” that windows 7 users get. They are the users fault and we all know it. Glad to see you are using the same reasoning I’ve been using for a long time now.


54 posted on 06/19/2012 11:48:51 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
Did you know Kinect for XBOX 360 was the fastest selling gadget in history. iPad used to be #1 until Kinect beat it.

Granted, Kinect was a huge seller; but this was a 'reasonably priced' extension on a proprietary and market saturated product. To compare that against a new product, with a price tag of $5-800 that had nothing to leverage off from, is a tad unfair.

If you had an X-Box 360 (as many households have) - buying the Kinect was a "Mid-life Kicker" that added a couple more years of playability to your dull console. Not saying the Kinect wasn't revolutionary - it was. But, it is an unfair comparision. Kinect (~$150) with tie in to established console and new games vs iPad (~$500-800).

55 posted on 06/19/2012 11:55:50 AM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: for-q-clinton

Doctors love the tablet until its locked down to be compliant. Once that happens I’ve had quite a few throw it away.

A tablet device which can meet security and compliance controls will have a huge market in the medical field. IMO the addition of a keyboard will also be a plus as it facilitates data entry.


56 posted on 06/19/2012 12:00:35 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
A tablet device which can meet security and compliance controls will have a huge market in the medical field. IMO the addition of a keyboard will also be a plus as it facilitates data entry.

Silly question - as MSFT gave no price, and the chipset tused in their "top" product is an i7; and I need a flat space to use the kickstand and keyboard - why not just get an "Ultra-book" (or Mac Air/MBP)and have everything?

57 posted on 06/19/2012 12:04:57 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
So you can access Netflix through the Xbox?

I don't know about Xbox, but we watched Netflix via the WII for quite a while. Just turn on wireless, connect to your network (user/password) and get the app for it.

58 posted on 06/19/2012 12:07:57 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
This will probably run all the viruses that iPad just won’t run...

Likely.. But I bet it will also run Linux.

59 posted on 06/19/2012 12:10:55 PM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: Hodar

The ultra thin laptops would certainly work. The doctors I’ve worked with like the simplicity of the tablet. They don’t have to worry about opening or booting as they walk around.


60 posted on 06/19/2012 12:11:04 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Hodar

You’d have a touchscreen, although the redundancy is of questionable value. Multitouch enabled removing weight and complexity in the iPad. What does it enable in a touchscreen device that also has a built in hardware keypad? Sounds like the same old feature creep, assuming that if you throw everything against the wall, something’s going to stick with somebody. Inelegant. We’ll find out just how desirable touchscreen is in and of itself, as opposed to the form factor, weight, portability and ease of use. Aftermarket hardward keypad covers have sold but I don’t recall there being any hue and cry for Apple to add it to the product itself. Could be the answer to a question few are asking, in order to create apparent market differentiation. We’ll see, when the thing hits market. The announcement sounded a little on the wafflish side.


61 posted on 06/19/2012 12:11:41 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Hodar

Huh? 360 is at market saturation? You need to put the crack pipe down.


62 posted on 06/19/2012 12:26:35 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: kevkrom
No availability date. No price. A thin set of tech specs that are specifically noted as subject to change.

Everything I've read and heard, is that the low-end Surface will be available late Fall, and the high-end will be available early 2013. So it's not quite vaporware, they're still ironing out the bugs copying Apple, usually takes two years (in this case three years). Pricing will be $1000 at the low end, and $1500 to $2000 at the Pro Surface model. So MS is pricing this higher than the iPad. They won't make a dent in Apple's market share for a few years until MS can bring the price down to Apple's level. That is where MS is having problems.

63 posted on 06/19/2012 12:26:56 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: for-q-clinton
Did you know Kinect for XBOX 360 was the fastest selling gadget in history. iPad used to be #1 until Kinect beat it. I think MS is making some interesting moves in the consumer market. Also guess what is the most used NON-PC device to watch movies over the internet? XBOX 360. iPad is right behind the 360.

Windows 8 will be the core for not just these tablets, but PCs, Windows Phone and XBOX 720. You can share apps between your devices like games, movies and e-mail at no extra cost. I already can watch the same movies from my XBOX 360 on my Windows Phone 7.

With storage in SkyDrive, you will have access to all your files on whatever device you want. E-mail attachments will be links to the SkyDrive, so people stop pushing massive files back and forth over multiple servers. It also is a big plus for collaboration on documents, projects, etc as the file resides in a central place.

Those that do not "get" Windows 8 are still thinking with a mouse and keyboard. It is touch and the UI is far, far superior to iOS and Android.

When you consider the Surface RT will come with MS Office, its expected $699 price is a great deal.

For those who think MS shot themselves in the foot by competing with hardware manufacturers, do any of you think Asus, Acer, Dell, etc, etc, etc are not competing by making Android Tablets?

This is Microsoft's way of saying we will set the bar and others can join the party if they want.

Lastly, MS just patented SMS to Excel so you can do things like send expenses by text message to your Excel file expense report right after dinner concludes.

I would not be surprised if you can send a pic of the receipt as well.

Microsoft is leaping right over iOS and Android and doing what people have been asking for ---- a Windows Tablet.

I expect Apple will merge iOS and OSX down the road and Google will abandon Android in favor of Chrome for everything.

64 posted on 06/19/2012 12:43:54 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: for-q-clinton

65 posted on 06/19/2012 12:47:40 PM PDT by itsahoot (About that Coup d'├ętat we had in 08, anyone worried yet?)
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To: tazman3
Will the BSD look the same on this one?

I can't remember the last time one of my Microsoft OS computer crashed. It's been at least 10 or 15 years. We're talking about a lot of different computers here - at home and at work.

But you got to keep the faint breath of this urban myth alive for a few more months.

I for one applaud more choice for consumers. This product is going to raise the bar and Apple will have to respond. Everyone wins that way.

66 posted on 06/19/2012 1:08:13 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: for-q-clinton
Huh? 360 is at market saturation? You need to put the crack pipe down.

Really? Is the rate of sale for X-Box360 going up, or down? If you were ever interested in ever getting an X-Box360, chances are pretty good you already have one.

Market Saturation

When the amount of product provided in a market has been maximized in the current state of the marketplace. At the point of saturation, further growth can only be achieved through product improvements, market share gains or a rise in overall consumer demand.

Product improvement would be larger hard drives and the Kinect system. Consumer demand is stagnant, driven primarily due to replacment costs of the now defunct 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation RROD issues. Further evident in the "Give away" programs MSFT is promoting to students when they buy a new computer

67 posted on 06/19/2012 1:09:14 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: Hodar
Did you know Kinect for XBOX 360 was the fastest selling gadget in history. iPad used to be #1 until Kinect beat it.

Granted, Kinect was a huge seller; but this was a 'reasonably priced' extension on a proprietary and market saturated product. To compare that against a new product, with a price tag of $5-800 that had nothing to leverage off from, is a tad unfair.

That has long since been eclipsed:

In the 2010 Christmas quarter in which the Kinect was released, it was the "fastest" selling for a short period... then it petered out. It sold according to Microsoft just just 8 million Kinect units during the Christmas season while they sold 6.3 million Xbox units.

Since its November 2010 release MS Kinect has shipped only 19 million units.

On the other hand, in Apple's 2011 Christmas quarter, Apple sold over 15.4 million iPads almost DOUBLE the number of Kinects sold in that Christmas quarter, and 2.44 times the number of Xboxes. In fact, both the iPad 2 and the New iPad exceeded the 60 day record of the Kinect on initial release. The New iPad sold over 4 million in the first FOUR DAYS...

68 posted on 06/19/2012 1:34:18 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: q_an_a
Yeah - I think I'm in agreement with you, but from a different angle. The way I'm taking it, they probably couldn't find a manufacturer that was willing to just completely implement their design so they did it themselves. They have cash coming out their pores - something to spend it on. I wonder what happened to the table top PC they were going to put out a while back - a smooth glass surface that you would manipulate by hand. It looked awesome - that's what I thought of when they said 'Surface', but nay, just another MS-Foray into somebody elses dog food.
69 posted on 06/19/2012 1:59:45 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: Hodar

70 posted on 06/19/2012 2:07:51 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Hodar

“Microsoft says it has sold 55 million Xbox 360 consoles around the world, and in the first four months of the year sales were up 29 percent year over year.”

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-21539_7-20068641-10391702.html

Like I said put the crack pipe down :-)


71 posted on 06/19/2012 2:10:00 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton; Hodar
“Microsoft says it has sold 55 million Xbox 360 consoles around the world, and in the first four months of the year sales were up 29 percent year over year.”

Published: June 3, 2011 9:06 AM PDT Data from over a year ago.

72 posted on 06/19/2012 3:31:26 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: for-q-clinton

I used to forget what year it was when I used crack...

He must be projecting.


73 posted on 06/19/2012 3:46:57 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Swordmaker

So 360 beat the trends and is still the leading selling console. I didn’t find a current report. Increasing sales this late in a consoles life is unheard of...360 is truly a gem.


74 posted on 06/19/2012 6:14:18 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: DYngbld
Likely.. But I bet it will also run Linux.

Half Laptop, Half Pad, I could dig this, maybe wipe it clean and go with a full Ubuntu Suite, and XP on the side for Windows stuff Wine won't run. The heck with the warantee, it might be worth the risk to try it...

75 posted on 06/19/2012 6:22:16 PM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: driftdiver

“I’ve already seen numerous incidents where people compromised patient records because of ipads.”

That’s specious, as I’m sure you’re well aware there’ve been myriad incidents of compromised confidential information involving Windows systems, laptops in particular.

Much of information security revolves around due diligence, which is a weak point with every operating system.

As for the iPad, I’m sure it can be locked down to the Nth degree if the IT department wants it to be so.


76 posted on 06/19/2012 6:40:30 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: for-q-clinton

“Kind of like all those “viruses” that windows 7 users get. They are the users fault and we all know it.”

We all know you’ve just flaunted your ignorance for all to see. Nice job! ;-)


77 posted on 06/19/2012 6:44:05 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: for-q-clinton

Looks like you are right ... rude .. but right.

It would seem that the Kinect truly augmented sales, because your graph shows a plateau in Yr 5, which corresponds to the introduction of the Kinect (and a fix to the RROD that has plagued nearly 50% of all XBox devices).

Would be interesting to see what the latest sales are, as I suspect another plateau is immenent, if not currently present. I suspect that more than a few potential new customers are holding for the XBox 720


78 posted on 06/19/2012 6:50:59 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: for-q-clinton

Looks like you are right ... rude .. but right.

It would seem that the Kinect truly augmented sales, because your graph shows a plateau in Yr 5, which corresponds to the introduction of the Kinect (and a fix to the RROD that has plagued nearly 50% of all XBox devices).

Would be interesting to see what the latest sales are, as I suspect another plateau is immenent, if not currently present. I suspect that more than a few potential new customers are holding for the XBox 720


79 posted on 06/19/2012 6:51:13 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: driftdiver
"The doctors I’ve worked with like the simplicity of the tablet. They don’t have to worry about opening or booting as they walk around."

Yep. Perhaps you should read this article. I think the iPad will be very hard to displace in the medical field, and your HIPAA concerns are easily addressable. Doctors will want the same great experience as they've had with their personal iPads, and Win8 is unlikely to deliver.

80 posted on 06/19/2012 6:52:31 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: for-q-clinton; Swordmaker

How embarrassing. Nice 70’s interface.


81 posted on 06/19/2012 6:54:20 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: for-q-clinton

RE: That’s the beauty of this...everyone can get the color they like.

Don’t ever do that when I am drinking a glass of wine. LOL.. How low can they go.


82 posted on 06/19/2012 6:57:27 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: for-q-clinton
I’ve been using windows 8 and got to say it’s good

Talk about cheerleading. Even the enterprise Microsoft representative where I work doesn't have too much great to say about Windows 8's user interface.

I remember the iPad got bad remarks when it was announced too. But then people “got it” once they held it.

That's because the iPad brought a new computing paradigm, and people weren't used to it. I remember many people saying "It needs a pen to be useful," still stuck in the Microsoft pen tablet days. It'll be easier here since the iPad has already gotten people used to the concept.

In the past, Microsoft has made some great hardware. Even the Zune was technically decent hardware (the first generation being a rebranded Toshiba), it died because it was an uninspired copy. The XBox 360 was actually pretty good, although the rush to market caused some serious initial quality problems. At least it looks like Microsoft took their time here and has some ideas beyond plain copying for this tablet. The keyboard attachment is pretty cool.

83 posted on 06/19/2012 8:56:08 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: for-q-clinton
Did you know Kinect for XBOX 360 was the fastest selling gadget in history.

By defining that as 8 million units in 60 days? Maybe for a certain period. Apple sold 15.43 million iPads in the last three months of 2011. That's an average of 5.14 million a month, or probably 10.28 million in any two month period (although because of Christmas probably more like 12 million in Nov-Dec 60 days). That far beats the Kinect. And this was months after the iPad 2's introduction, so it didn't even include the initial rush.

The iPad 3 sold 3 million units in 3 days. The iPhone 4S sold 4 million units in 3 days. So if I define "fastest selling" as how many sold in the first week, does the Kinect still win?

84 posted on 06/19/2012 9:16:57 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: driftdiver; Swordmaker
The iPAD cannot be made compliant as an end user device without locking it down so its nothing but a browser.

So I guess that TigerText HIPAA-complant universal app is just my imagination?

85 posted on 06/19/2012 9:27:42 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Erik Latranyi
Windows 8 will be the core for not just these tablets, but PCs, Windows Phone and XBOX 720.

Wow, sounds familiar, OS X being the core OS of Macs, the iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad and Apple TV, and they can all share movies and many apps together.

With storage in SkyDrive, you will have access to all your files on whatever device you want.

Sounds familiar again, like Apple iDisk about ten years ago. The online storage looked like just another mounted volume. For the future with Mountain Lion, any application can use the iCloud APIs to integrate iCloud storage into the app, and iOS 6 is doing the same on the iDevice end. This is just presenting to developers what Apple has been doing with its own apps since last year.

Those that do not "get" Windows 8 are still thinking with a mouse and keyboard.

Funny, this is what we were telling Microsofties about the iDevices years ago. You didn't believe. It usually takes Microsoft a bit to grasp the concept and crank up the copiers.

I expect Apple will merge iOS and OSX down the road

First, iOS and OS X have shared the same core from the beginning, and even the iOS programming API (Cocoa Touch) is a touch- and phone-tweaked version of OS X's Cocoa API. They're already almost the same OS. Steve Jobs had an internal competition before the iPhone to determine the OS it would have, and the team that built iOS from OS X won.

But as far as the user experience and integration, this has been obvious to any industry observer for about a year and a half now, ever since Lion was previewed with iOS-like features. The Mountain Lion previews for the last months have shown a big leap further in that direction. However, I do hope they stop short of total integration. Desktop and mobile use cases are just too different to have the exact same thing on both. I refuse to hold my hand up to a monitor for hours on end, tapping and dragging on the screen. You'll be able to tell the hard-core computer users by their huge right-arm biceps.

86 posted on 06/19/2012 10:07:43 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: for-q-clinton

Windows! Now with new fruity flavors!

You know...for kids!


87 posted on 06/20/2012 2:51:05 AM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: antiRepublicrat
However, I do hope they stop short of total integration. Desktop and mobile use cases are just too different to have the exact same thing on both. I refuse to hold my hand up to a monitor for hours on end, tapping and dragging on the screen.

That's why Microsoft is far ahead on gesture control (Kinect) so you never have to touch the screen.

88 posted on 06/20/2012 3:26:38 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
That's why Microsoft is far ahead on gesture control (Kinect) so you never have to touch the screen.

What's that other company whose gesture control has a degree of exactness that makes Kinect look like using oven mitts?
89 posted on 06/20/2012 3:44:04 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: antiRepublicrat

Sure there are LOTS of vendors out there who claim their apps are all thats needed to be compliant, very few actually meet the requirements.

As I’ve already said though, browser based apps can be compliant if you lock the device down otherwise. But then you eliminate all the capabilities of the ipad.


90 posted on 06/20/2012 4:18:19 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

“As for the iPad, I’m sure it can be locked down to the Nth degree if the IT department wants it to be so.”

Nope, because the OS doesn’t allow it to be locked down appropriately. Its built for the consumer, not for compliance.


91 posted on 06/20/2012 4:20:21 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Read the articles and worked with a dozen healthcare IT shops trying to figure out a way to make it compliant.

You can lock it down to a browser only based tool, but you can’t do the rest.

“My HIPAA” concerns are those of the doctors who don’t want to pay a few million dollars when their patients data ends up somewhere it shouldn’t be. At least thats what they tell me.


92 posted on 06/20/2012 4:23:28 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
"It needs a pen to be useful,"

There is actually a pretty strong aftermarket for stylus pens for the Ipad, Iphone and Android tablets.

I use one for my Iphone 4s because the tiny keypad makes for a lot of data entry errors, I have customers sign credit card billings on the Iphone and the stylus works much better than a finger for that, There are a lot less fingerprints with the stylus.

I have tired to use Siri for data input - but it is a joke and works correctly (if at all) less than 10% of the time.

93 posted on 06/20/2012 4:52:50 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: driftdiver
"“My HIPAA” concerns are those of the doctors who don’t want to pay a few million dollars when their patients data ends up somewhere it shouldn’t be. At least thats what they tell me."

And yet these same doctors use Windows for a good bit of their IT. Right.

I hope you find some competent "healthcare IT shops" that can handle the relatively trivial task of locking down iPads sufficiently. As you should be aware, the major threat is social engineering, not any IT issue.

You might want to point your "healthcare IT shops" at Ten iPad EHR security strategies for HIPAA compliance. It was also announced at WWDC that Facetime calls can now be HIPAA compliant.

I expect as Apple continues to perfect voice input, the iDevices will become extremely effective for healthcare. With iDevices already over 70% marketshare among doctors, Win8 will have a tough row to hoe when the products finally ship...don't forget they're still vaporware at the moment.

94 posted on 06/20/2012 5:46:39 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Nice try, this thread isn’t about the iPad but about the new tablet which will fit in with current corporate tools and controls. A tool which gives the organization control over its data rather than treating everyone like a simple consumer.


95 posted on 06/20/2012 6:30:03 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Swordmaker
it is hard to go over each item in your very thoughtful list. Let's take two - cost of add on to create compatability. 1. the keyboard you mention costs from 70 to 130...it is free on Surface and is way better than the touchscreen on the ipad. 2. then the apps cost $10 each 3. you ware working in the Cloud - way cool, but that is not on your computer and the average traveling biz person does not want to be sitting in an airport or on a plane trying to get into the cloud. Don't believe me try looking at a few forums since the Surface was announced. 600 million Windows7 users have a habit of using keyboards and having their application be seemless. iPad is 10x better than any android and it is cool for many things but it is still only half a business tool.

Yes I know plenty of folks using the iPad for e-mail,task lists and calendar functions, but they still go back to their desktop and do work on the Network in the enterprise.

96 posted on 06/20/2012 6:40:18 AM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: q_an_a
1. the keyboard you mention costs from 70 to 130...it is free on Surface and is way better than the touchscreen on the iPad.

No, I doubt it is "free" on Surface. Pricing was not mentioned... and there are several options on the keyboard cover: color, key travel, etc,. I assure you, you will pay for it, one way or another. TANSTAAFL.

2. then the apps cost $10 each

TANNSTAAFL, again.

you ware working in the Cloud - way cool, but that is not on your computer and the average traveling biz person does not want to be sitting in an airport or on a plane trying to get into the cloud. Don't believe me try looking at a few forums since the Surface was announced.

I grant you your plane situation... but that can be handled when you are on a plane by the inexpensive appropriate Apps... but, consider this, that Surface will not fit on the tray table! No way... I can't picture it fitting. Only the higher cost keyboard might have a chance of working. I cannot see it working on your lap. I think it might have a chance in business class.

600 million Windows7 users have a habit of using keyboards and having their application be seemless.

That's what a lot of iPad adoptees thought until they started using them... and then found they did not really need one. The habit got broken.

97 posted on 06/20/2012 7:20:44 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: q_an_a

The lack of a keyboard has been raised as an issue with my business customers. Its too hard to write some of the long and technical entries without it.


98 posted on 06/20/2012 8:40:14 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Swordmaker

You make good points, but even here on Freeper land - some business people like a keyborad for long data points.


99 posted on 06/20/2012 11:00:28 AM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: driftdiver
As I’ve already said though, browser based apps can be compliant if you lock the device down otherwise.

So, the iOS encryption libraries available to any iPad app aren't good enough? Darn, I could have sworn I saw those on the NIST AES validation list a while back (which is necessary for FIPS 140-2, which is necessary for HIPAA).

100 posted on 06/20/2012 2:33:51 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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