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Heated Juan Williams/Michelle Malkin Shoutfest Gets Personal With Eyerolls, ‘Snotty’ Accusations
Fox News via Mediaite ^ | 13 Jun 2012 | Frances Martel

Posted on 06/13/2012 7:06:03 PM PDT by andyk

Juan Williams‘ patience expired fairly openly on Hannity tonight after an attack of “elitism” from Michelle Malkin that stemmed from a debate about Attorney General Eric Holder where Williams took offense at Malkin saying Williams and other liberals only blamed Bush for President Obama’s failings, to which he initially replied “I’m a real reporter, not a blogger out in the blogosphere somewhere.”

“All you can say is Plame, Plame, Plame; blame, blame, blame; Bush, Bush, Bush,” Malkin told Williams as he argued that the current national security White House leaks were not different from what had transpired in other White Houses. Williams took offense to that, telling Malkin that he was a “real reporter, not a blogger out in the blogosphere somewhere,” which in turn visibly offended Malkin, who retorted, “right, because I’m not a real reporter.” Williams completed his point that reporters “did not get any classified information,” over both Hannity and Malkin, before Hannity gave Malkin the last word.

She used that last word against Williams. “The American people are sick of the kind of snotty condescension from liberal elite journalists like Juan Williams who tell us that the rest of us are not doing our jobs, when the point is that when Eric Holder was shamefully approved and nominated and approved to be Attorney General–” At this point, after a heavy eyeroll and mouthing “Oh my God,” Williams interrupted to inform her that she was “way off topic” and “not talking about what we’re debating here tonight on Sean’s show.” Hannity interjected when Williams tried to repeat that nothing different had happened in the Bush administration, and Williams and Malkin coolly thanked each other at the end of the segment.


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To: andyk

Dana Perino also slapped Juan down on “The 5” the other day. It was a beautiful thing to behold.


51 posted on 06/14/2012 4:33:30 AM PDT by taillightchaser (When a dimorat says"The American people" the next words will be a lie.)
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To: presidio9
Williams is a racists. He will support any black in any job anywhere....no matter if they are right or wrong.

If he does find any problem at all with a black person its very low keyed, and carefully worded.

The real racism in this election is that blacks are voting for obama simply because he is black, not on principles..

52 posted on 06/14/2012 4:56:02 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: katykelly

A lib hack with an “affirmative action” job....Why doesn’t Fox dump him....He brings nothing to the debates except agida and obvioulsy hasn’t learned his lesson from his previous NPR disposition.....


53 posted on 06/14/2012 5:06:11 AM PDT by geege
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To: presidio9

The question was not illogical. You used Williams’ position on Thomas 20 years ago as some kind of marker of “conservative equivalence”, then you could not answer if that was a consistent position since then. Instead, as you usually do, you chose to attack me as being illogical.

Juan always has been an intellectual lightweight. Like a blind squirrel, he finds a nut every once and awhile. But what does he ever add to the conversation? Not much, except to show how incapable he is of not supporting an intellectually honest position.

I did not make THAT up. But that did not prevent you from making up your next statement about my seemingly compulsive” need to post stupidity. Project much?

Then you state you would not dignify my next question with a response, and then proceed to do just that. The name dropping was quite cute—good for you—but who Thomas lists as friends is not responsive to whether Juan is an intellectual lightweight or not. Thomas may just like Juan, who is very likable, but then again, Juan is not paid to be likable. He is a political commentator, one who sees things through a certain set of lenses, and seems incapable of changing those lenses to reflect reality.

I feel so privileged that you took the time away from your navel gazing to tell me how tiresome my posts are. You seem offended that I actually said that you were not compelled to read my posts, especially in the light of your previous statements to me on this and two other threads, that I was so obviously intellectually challenged.

I would tell you to look into the mirror, but I suspect that you do entirely too much of that already, and are overwhelmingly taken with what you see there.


54 posted on 06/14/2012 5:16:50 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: House Atreides

Tamara Holder! and when i saw hannity had her on i was DUMBFOUNDED! outed as Jackson’s trollop and still showing her face on TV. Hannity has on all of those scandal-ridden low lifes— toesucking Dick Morris, whoremonger Beckel and now Jesse Jackson’s piece!!


55 posted on 06/14/2012 5:21:32 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: gopheraj

for later


56 posted on 06/14/2012 6:40:54 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: Eagles6
"Elevated above their competence..."
Perfect. Even better than "educated beyond their intelligence"
57 posted on 06/14/2012 7:06:21 AM PDT by D1X1E
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To: presidio9

You’sre way out of line presidio. Juan sticking up for Justice Thomas was him seeing the issue through his dark brown glasses and that was 2 decades ago. Attack me too if you like. I will absolutel not watch Williams anymore. Your attack on the other poster was classless.


58 posted on 06/14/2012 8:29:11 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: exit82
The question was not illogical. You used Williams’ position on Thomas 20 years ago as some kind of marker of “conservative equivalence”, then you could not answer if that was a consistent position since then. Instead, as you usually do, you chose to attack me as being illogical.

Either you are intentionally playing dumb to cover up an idiotic point, or you are just about THE most confused FReeper I have ever come across. Go back and re-read your own freaking post. The one I replied to. I'll post it to this thread a third time, and maybe it'll finally sink in.

"Juan Williams is, and has always been, an intellectual lightweight."

So, no, I certainly did not use his position "as some kind of marker of “conservative equivalence."" I was pointing out that the man has obviously not always been a intellectual lightweight. I also concurred that Williams is openly liberal, your attempts at building a strawman argument notwithstanding. This is what I am referring to when I talk about a compulsive need to post stupidity. Its the only reason I know you exist. You made three dumb posts to FR. I called you on each of them. Then you insisted on digging yourself a deeper hole defending the indefensible.

59 posted on 06/15/2012 12:11:38 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: subterfuge
You’sre way out of line presidio. Juan sticking up for Justice Thomas was him seeing the issue through his dark brown glasses and that was 2 decades ago.

And you can prove this how? My disagreements with this idiot, were based on his distortion of verifiable facts. The only reason I know who he is is because he posted to me.

Attack me too if you like. I will absolutel not watch Williams anymore. Your attack on the other poster was classless.

This will certainly break your heart, but neither I nor Juan Williams are going to lose any sleep over your decision. Again, the man is openly liberal. No one is disputing that (except one idiot, with himself). That being said, Mr. Williams frequently chooses intellectual honesty over politically correct liberal boilerplate. One occasion, it cost him his job. His friendship with Jutice Thomas predates the SCOTUS confirmation hearings by a decade, to when Mr. Thomas served the Reagan Administration, and Mr. Williams was a White House correspondant. If you read Justice Thomas' autobiography, you would know this, and you would know that Justice Thomas certainly does not have time for intellectual lightweights.

60 posted on 06/15/2012 12:24:00 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: DainBramage
Williams is a racists. He will support any black in any job anywhere....no matter if they are right or wrong.

This is the kind of ridiculous (and easy to disprove) post that lurkers single out to "prove" that everyone on FR is an uninformed redneck sh-tkicker. Off the top of my head: Williams vocally sided against Obama in the Skip Gates controversy, and took heat from the left for doing so.

That being said, I'm not sure why your posted to me. My contention had been that Williams was not an intellectual lightweight. But since you brought it up, it is quite possible to be both a genius and a racist.

61 posted on 06/15/2012 12:32:23 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

Your intellectual dishonesty and propensity to resort to personal attacks upon people you do not agree with is completely and clearly on display.

You tried to disprove my point about Williams always having been an intellectual lightweight by saying he came out in favor of Thomas twenty years ago as if that was some miraculous and overwhelming display of his intellectual acuity, when it merely was a normal position given the ridiculous and vicious attacks by the Left and Anita Hill.

You complain about my level of intellectual ability and then you have continued to display your superior debating skills by violating one of the key tenets of FreeRepublic, that of not engaging in personal attacks, but calling me a “dumbass” and an “idiot”.

Now I see you are continuing your abusive pattern with other Freepers who just happen to disagree with you.

Perhaps this forum is just beneath you and you would be happier elsewhere, where there are more people of your obviously superior intellectual caliber, and where your unique debating style of insult and name calling can be better appreciated.


62 posted on 06/15/2012 5:24:23 AM PDT by exit82
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To: andyk

You can take the liberal elite reporter out of NPR, but you cannot take the liberal elitism out of the reporter.


63 posted on 06/15/2012 8:34:47 AM PDT by One_who_hopes_to_know
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To: andyk
“The American people are sick of the kind of snotty condescension from liberal elite journalists like Juan Williams who tell us that the rest of us are not doing our jobs, when the point is that when Eric Holder was shamefully approved and nominated and approved to be Attorney General..

I'll bet when Juan Williams was growing up he never thought he'd be on national TV someday being accused of being an elite... (which by the way - he is)

64 posted on 06/15/2012 9:04:44 AM PDT by GOPJ (Take your little hammer, little sickle and your scary red signs with a fist on it, and go home...)
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To: exit82
You tried to disprove my point about Williams always having been an intellectual lightweight by saying he came out in favor of Thomas twenty years ago as if that was some miraculous and overwhelming display of his intellectual acuity,

Incorrect. You said he had always been an intellectual lightweight. I corrected you (factually), and rather than admit you made a mistake, you wasted our time trying to direct the debate towards topics that where we didn't disagree (Williams is a liberal, Malkin is smarter than Williams, etc.). Now your feelings are hurt because I made an honest assessment of your intellect, based on the way you handled yourself. You've got your thesaurus out, on the assumption that a few big words can cover up faulty logic. It can't. This is a big boys' forum. When you make a stupid point, somebody is always going to be around to call you on it. When this happens, the best advice is to follow Ben Franklin's advice and remain silent and be thought a fool, rather than opening your mouth (in this case, continuing to post) and removing all doubt.

65 posted on 06/17/2012 4:23:38 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: itsahoot

Hannity is never up to the task...I admire his enthusiasm, but geez he is dense.


66 posted on 06/17/2012 4:28:27 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse (Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.)
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To: presidio9

You corrected me of nothing.

Juan has always been an intellectual lightweight.

Your “disproof” of that consisted solely of saying his came out in defense of Thomas. I replied that that was no proof of intellectual ability, as anyone could see Thomas was being railroaded.

You obviously think me to be your intellectual inferior.

If that is so, why do you waste so much time answering my posts? That says more of you than it does me.

Here’s a quote from Ben Franklin for you:

He who falls in love with himself will have no rivals.


67 posted on 06/17/2012 6:54:16 PM PDT by exit82
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To: exit82
You corrected me of nothing.

I corrected what you said, and then tried to ignore for the sake of a better argument. Here it is four an unprecedented FIFTH time on this thread:

"Juan Williams is, and has always been, an intellectual lightweight."

Again, had you read Clarence Thomas' autobiography, you would know that the two had been close friends since Thomas worked in the Reagan Administration, and that Thomas does not suffer fools.

Stay down Rock.

68 posted on 06/17/2012 6:59:22 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

Mr. Thomas suffers fools everyday at work. Where have you been?

Your statement is proof of nothing—you linked two clauses and it is only your opinion of what Mr. Thomas.

Nice try.


69 posted on 06/17/2012 7:11:32 PM PDT by exit82
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To: presidio9

Corrected post 69:

Mr. Thomas suffers fools everyday at work. Where have you been?

Your statement is proof of nothing—you linked two clauses and it is only your opinion of what Mr. Thomas thinks.

Nice try.


70 posted on 06/17/2012 7:15:48 PM PDT by exit82
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To: exit82
I'm seriously beginning to consider that you are putting me on here. No sane human being could possibly be this consistently obtuse. First, because there is a difference between friendly relationships with co-workers, and personal friendships. With the possibly exception of Justice Breyer, Justice Thomas is not particularly close with any of the liberal justices. Second, because, like it or not, Confirmation to SCOTUS requires a level of education and professional experience that disqualifies "intellectual lightweights." You and I may disagree with every word that comes out of Justice Sotomayor's mouth, but until you manage to graduate suma cum laude from Princeton, and edit the Yale Law Journal, you're simply not qualified to pronounce the woman an "intellectual lightweight." Compared to Justice Scalia, sure, but not to you, and certainly not to DC in general.

BTW, you need to learn the differnce between an opinion of what Justice (say it "Justice," not Mr.) Thomas thinks, and an obersvation of what the Justice has himself said, which is a matter of public record.

71 posted on 06/17/2012 11:16:01 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

You are the one being obtuse.

You cannot make the distinction between a “fool” and an “intellectual lightweight”

You, not me, are saying that Sotomayor, or the liberal justices are intellectual lightweights.

I compared them to fools that Thomas has to suffer daily.

That has been a distinction you have confused from the beginning of our conversation.

I have said Juan Williams is and always has been an intellectual lightweight. To me, he has no intellectual firepower, becasue he constantly sees things through his liberal and black glasses. He has done that consistently through his career.He is constantly schooled by his intellectual betters whenever he debates them, whether it is Hume, Malkin, or Krauthammer.

Fools are not necessarily stupid. Many are highly educated and intellectual heavywwights—but they are still fools none the less, becasue they believe in things that are folly.Book knowledge does not translate into intellgience or ability in all cases.

You have made the two things—fools and intellectual lightweights— equivalent, confusing the issue, and blaming me for your inability to make the distinction.

Sotomayor and Kagan are still fools for what they believe, for they believe in liberal lies instead of the truth and the law.

They have mastered intellectual reuirements for the positions they hold, but can anyone in their right mind say they are objective Constitutionalists? So they are intellectual heavywieghts, but fools nonetheless.

Now you may go back to being a Master of the Put-Down Universe, a role which you have heavily practiced.


72 posted on 06/18/2012 4:18:45 AM PDT by exit82
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To: exit82
I have said Juan Williams is and always has been an intellectual lightweight. To me, he has no intellectual firepower, becasue he constantly sees things through his liberal and black glasses. He has done that consistently through his career.He is constantly schooled by his intellectual betters whenever he debates them, whether it is Hume, Malkin, or Krauthammer.

Sounds to me like you are having difficulty making a distinction between "fools" and "intellectual lightweights," which is, of course, ironic. Your definition of a fool appears to be anyone who consistently takes a liberal position. I can accept that, but since you are concerned with forum etiquette, I remind you to read the thread before posting. It has already been pointed out that Williams has, in fact, regularly taken positions that were not consistent with the liberal agenda. He has been criticized by the left for doing so, eventually costing him his job. However, as this disagreement stems from your use of the term "intellectual lightweight," a territory that should feel very familiar to you, I will remind you that you seem to grasp that this is a very different concept.

And speaking of foolish, your last "point" was that "[Justice] Thomas suffers fools everyday at work." Now you are saying "You, not me, are saying that Sotomayor, or the liberal justices are intellectual lightweights." Really? Then who were these "fools" you were referring to?

Now, I know you'd love to waste more time trying to direct this conversation towards a position that's easier to defend. I know you'd love to waste more time trying to direct this conversation towards a position that's easier to defend. Unfortunately, you are your own worst enemy. You concede your point when you admit:

They have mastered intellectual requirements for the positions they hold, but can anyone in their right mind say they are objective Constitutionalists? So they are intellectual heavyweights, but fools nonetheless."

It is clear that you struggle with the correct use of the English language, but the logical deduction there would have been that Juan Williams and Justice Sotomayor are obviously not intellectual lightweights, but they are fools nonetheless. Undoubtedly you are both, but this much, at the very least, you should be able to understand. "They have mastered intellectual requirements for the positions they hold, but can anyone in their right mind say they are objective Constitutionalists,"

Sounds to

73 posted on 06/18/2012 10:59:06 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

Suffice it to say that you still have missed my point, and I cannot make it clearer.

You have your own agenda in mind, which is to disparage the views I made.

I have no need to concede anything to you. Your last response is proof that you did not carefully read my post 72,as your response showed a continued reliance on your misunderstanding of the terms we are using, so there is no point in continuing the discussion.

Good day.


74 posted on 06/18/2012 12:25:40 PM PDT by exit82
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To: exit82

Making up your own definition for a term does not help your argument. In the case of Sotomayor, there are plenty of valid criticisms anyone (even a moron apparently) can make about the woman, but it is factually incorrect to characterize anyone who manages to graduate suma cum laude from Princeton, and edit the Yale Law Review as an “intellectual lightweight.” Thus, your definition of the term is demonstrably flawed, and the underlying basis of your opinion is demonstrably incorrect. We can keep doing this forever. The facts won’t change.


75 posted on 06/18/2012 1:46:55 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

I called Sotomayor a fool, not an intellectual lightweight.

You are the one confusing the terms.


76 posted on 06/18/2012 1:59:40 PM PDT by exit82
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To: exit82
I'm glad you've figured out the difference between the terms, but it doesn't change the fact that your basis for tagging Williams an intellectual lightweight is still flawed. To wit:

he has no intellectual firepower, becasue he constantly sees things through his liberal and black glasses. He has done that consistently through his career.

We have documented exceptions to this rule three times on this thread, so your point is factually incorrect. You are making up your own "facts" to back up your opinion. The man is a liberal, but he is willing to learn from those he disagrees with, and modify his thinking based on what he learns.

77 posted on 06/18/2012 6:50:31 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

There are no documented exceptions to my “rule”, as you call it, let alone three of them.

If you catch Williams on tonight’s O’Reilly re: Obama and immigration, I only have four words to say:

I rest my case.


78 posted on 06/18/2012 8:16:53 PM PDT by exit82
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