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Women Don't Belong in Ranger School
Wall Street Journal ^ | 6-12-12 | Stephen Kilcullen

Posted on 06/13/2012 3:41:24 PM PDT by kingattax

The United States Army is debating whether to admit women to Ranger School, its elite training program for young combat leaders.

Proponents argue this is to remove a final impediment to the careers of Army women. But the move would erode the unique Ranger ethos and culture—not to mention the program's rigorous physical requirements—harming its core mission of cultivating leaders willing to sacrifice everything for our nation.

The Army's 75th Ranger Regiment traces its roots back to World War II, when it won acclaim for penetrating deep behind Japanese lines. Founded in 1950, Ranger School teaches combat soldiers small-unit tactics and leadership under extreme duress. It pushes men harder than any other program in the Army's curriculum.

Competition to attend the course is fierce, with about 4,000 men eligible to attend each year. Only about half graduate. Of those, only 20% make it through without having to retake various phases.

For decades, completion of Ranger School has been the best indicator for determining which young men can handle the enormous responsibility of combat leadership

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To: Travis McGee

After viewing your FR bio page and description of the character, I’m thinking you might have based Brad on. . . .you.


551 posted on 06/17/2012 11:35:57 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: SkyDancer; Travis McGee

Sounds like “None of the above”.


552 posted on 06/17/2012 11:59:49 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Hulka

Nah. I got married early, and I’m still that way. “Now, all my thrills are vicarious.”


553 posted on 06/17/2012 12:06:50 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Chgogal; Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Ultimately, the only point that matters is this one:
Any society that sends its women to fight for it before it sends its non-shaving boys and cane-borne old men deserves to be overrun.

554 posted on 06/17/2012 12:54:04 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Even though I’m in the 12th. Marine Corps recruiting district I was sent to Parris Island where all female recruits train.


555 posted on 06/17/2012 1:26:52 PM PDT by SkyDancer
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To: SkyDancer

That wasn’t so hard now, was it.

There’s far less personal information in “Parris Island” than in your FR page.


556 posted on 06/17/2012 1:36:25 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

It’s because of what I’m doing now is why.


557 posted on 06/17/2012 1:52:20 PM PDT by SkyDancer
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To: Chgogal
How do costs go up by allowing an eligible f soldier to compete against an eligible m soldier in Ranger School?

Because, the facilities at Ranger school are set up for men. Women have rquirements that are different than men. Ranger school training schedule would have to be altered to meet women's health needs, since it is intended to be a miserable experience testing not only the physical capability but also the will and mental capabilities of its participants. Unless women have changed, these are considerations that must be taken into account. Would it be 'fair' to fail a women for something that is attributable to their nature as women? I've not been to Ranger school, but I have friends who have, it is a demanding school completed in a state of poor hygiene.

558 posted on 06/17/2012 7:28:55 PM PDT by xone
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To: Travis McGee

Check your attitude. Read your posts.


559 posted on 06/17/2012 9:04:46 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: rlmorel

“It pains me that in many cases, one cannot discuss this without being painted as a troglodyte at best, or a misogynist at worst.”

Trust me...you are neither.

You’ve displayed good, common sense.

I’m worried about the military, if any of these posts from women are to be believed.


560 posted on 06/18/2012 12:22:06 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: SkyDancer

“It’s because of what I’m doing now is why.”

Then, WHY are you advertising yourself on FR?

I don’t believe you.


561 posted on 06/18/2012 12:23:48 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: ansel12

I’ve found those who are the best at what they do to be the most kind, and least vocal about their chosen work.


562 posted on 06/18/2012 12:25:31 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: Chgogal

No problem. It’s nice to meet you, too. ;o)


563 posted on 06/18/2012 12:26:26 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: trisham

“What I’ve learned from this thread: feminists are angry, perpetual victims who don’t like men.”

I’m hoping they are the anomaly, and we are not. ;o)


564 posted on 06/18/2012 12:32:21 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: Hulka; CodeToad

To be fair, she was trained to go to war. HOWEVER, her thinking about the life she carried was stupid, and selfish, beyond belief.

So was a friend of mine who lost his wife less than a year before he was deployed to Viet Nam.

He had two children, ages 3 and 18 months of age.

He was shot down on Christmas Eve, after his wife had died the day after Christmas the year before.

He was listed MIA until both children were grown.

His dad was an admiral, so the kids weren’t left destitute, unless you consider them being “destitute” as being without at least one parent.

To me, that is being destitute.

I’m still mad at him.


565 posted on 06/18/2012 12:40:42 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: antceecee; Travis McGee

You should, at the very least, be able to cite where he is wrong, and a misogynist, before you accuse him.

“Wow, how threatened are you that you cannot acknowledge the service of another, that happens to be a woman?”


566 posted on 06/18/2012 12:50:06 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: dixiechick2000

Thanks for saying so...


567 posted on 06/18/2012 3:04:42 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: antceecee

So, you have no quote. No actual words said by me. You just don’t like my attitude. Fine.


568 posted on 06/18/2012 4:33:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: antceecee

I’ve read his posts.

So he’s not a feminist.

Big deal.


569 posted on 06/18/2012 4:53:48 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: dixiechick2000

Why are you? And it doesn’t matter what you believe. And I’m not advertising myself. My life doesn’t depend on what you or others like you believe.


570 posted on 06/18/2012 8:09:59 AM PDT by SkyDancer
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To: Travis McGee
And in ten years, a Ranger tab won’t mean shit.

It doesn't mean a thing anymore as is.

You can tell 'em archy from Class 14-67 says so.

571 posted on 06/18/2012 11:26:39 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Travis McGee
And in ten years, a Ranger tab won’t mean shit.

It doesn't mean a thing anymore as is.

You can tell 'em archy from Class 14-67 says so.

572 posted on 06/18/2012 11:27:04 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: mrsmel
Back to the Rangers-just for starters, the discrepencies in upper body strength are unbridgeable. The standards affected by that one factor will have to be lowered, just as swimming requirements in law enforcement have had to be lowered or dropped for blacks. Just as the race industry cries about “cultural bias” in iq tests, when results show that minorities actually do better on the parts of these tests which could be said to have “cultural influence”, that being one of the easiest things to learn when they LIVE in this culture. The parts of the tests based on more pure cognition are where the problems come in, but admitting that wouldn’t support the agenda that everyone in general is equal in iq, it’s just that the tests are “rayciss”. Funny how the truth is the exact opposite of what they claim!

The sad thing is that there might be a real place for women in combart arms, though likely not in Infantry. I suspect that Artillery will remain out so long as 155 rounds weigh what they do and the issue of female upper body strength remains constant, and that leaves Armor [not counting Combat Engineers and Frontline Evac Medics] Given the jobs of driver, gunner and tank commander, I think a female could handle any of those tasks as well as or better than most men, save some maintenance jobs [roadwheels, tortion bar changes] That leaves the loader's job, and that really takes a brite, male or female- or an automatic loader, which the Russians have used since the T-62 of circa 1965.

573 posted on 06/18/2012 11:35:04 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: SkyDancer; DuncanWaring

“Why are you?”

Why am I.....what?

I’m not the one who said, “And it doesn’t matter what you believe. And I’m not advertising myself. My life doesn’t depend on what you or others like you believe.”

You said,

“It’s because of what I’m doing now is why.”

So, what exactly are you doing that you can’t tell us?

I can understand that you wouldn’t want to advertise something, but why put such focus on...YOU?


574 posted on 06/18/2012 11:26:39 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: archy

God love ya’...

It means a great deal.

We remember...


575 posted on 06/18/2012 11:28:05 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: Travis McGee

Stand by what I posted to you and... I did post to YOU... so you can tell your little tag team to go jump a rope. Surprised the big strong man needs a tag team.


576 posted on 06/18/2012 11:35:23 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee

If you think that he has a tag team, you are so wrong.

He didn’t ping me, frmail me with the link to this thread or contact me at all. In fact, we haven’t been in contact in any way whatsoever.

He said...

“Where did you get that idea? Quote, please.”

You didn’t answer until now, and you haven’t provided a quote to prove any error in his assessment, except for this...

“Check your attitude. Read your posts.”

I can tell you, madam, that he is right in his assessment, no matter how much you hate to hear that.


577 posted on 06/19/2012 12:09:50 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: dixiechick2000
"So, what exactly are you doing that you can’t tell us?"

I never said I couldn't say what I'm doing. For heaven's sake look at my profile page.

578 posted on 06/19/2012 7:39:41 AM PDT by SkyDancer
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To: dixiechick2000
I’m hoping they are the anomaly, and we are not. ;o)

*******************************

Agreed!

579 posted on 06/19/2012 7:44:43 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SkyDancer; Travis McGee

“So, what exactly are you doing that you can’t tell us?”

“I never said I couldn’t say what I’m doing.”

I’m sorry...I must have misunderstood the context of you saying that you couldn’t tell us what you are doing.

I’ve looked at your page, and am very impressed with your pictures. My husband is a pilot, and has been since he was in college.

HOWEVER.......don’t like the attitude. If you think that women weren’t given special privileges, and requirements weren’t dumbed down, whether they were in jump school, the police academy, or fire fighting school, then you are sadly mistaken.

Rules were changed for women.

That’s a fact, Jack.

Plus, I have a hard time with stories like this...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2894971/posts?page=96#96

And, this...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2894971/posts?page=556#556

Which led to this...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2894971/posts?page=557#557


580 posted on 06/20/2012 12:23:22 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: dixiechick2000
skydancer is no longer accepting posts from this thread
581 posted on 06/20/2012 8:00:40 AM PDT by SkyDancer
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To: SkyDancer

Still want to know why you won’t accept a full-contact no-holds-barred race against Travis. I mean, you’re just as or more capable, right?


582 posted on 06/20/2012 8:11:54 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: ctdonath2
skydancer is no longer accepting posts from this thread
583 posted on 06/20/2012 9:32:10 AM PDT by SkyDancer
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To: SkyDancer

The trick to ending a thread is to ignore it, not go “LA LA LA CAN’T HEAR YOU”.


584 posted on 06/20/2012 10:09:41 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: dixiechick2000
God love ya’...

It means a great deal.

We remember...

Thank you very much. Now get working on your ghillie suit.


585 posted on 06/20/2012 12:56:41 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: dixiechick2000
I’ve found those who are the best at what they do to be the most kind, and least vocal about their chosen work.

Except when something new and freakish shows up to destroy it and their nation as a result.

I hope you don't think that conservatives and veterans will silently allow the left to wipe out the ability of America to defend itself and watch the left attain it's victory in the bloodiest fashion imaginable, by attrition and loss in warfare until it results in total defeat for our nation.

586 posted on 06/21/2012 4:55:24 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: gundog

That was great!


587 posted on 06/22/2012 2:13:47 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

And this is why it is crucial that we work twice as hard as anybody else. Our bodies were built with huge amounts of endurance; Women are able to sustain isometric contractions for a longer period of time than men at sub-maximal intensities, meaning their muscles are more resistant to fatigue. So....you were saying?


588 posted on 03/30/2013 4:22:39 AM PDT by melizzler
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To: melizzler

I’m sure your’re aware it is just relative. A 75lb backpack isn’t magically converted to 45lbs woman wears it. I guess the men can carry 105lbs while the woman carry’s a 45lb pack?

Just dreamin’.


589 posted on 03/30/2013 10:50:38 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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