Skip to comments.Women Don't Belong in Ranger School
Posted on 06/13/2012 3:41:24 PM PDT by kingattax
The United States Army is debating whether to admit women to Ranger School, its elite training program for young combat leaders.
Proponents argue this is to remove a final impediment to the careers of Army women. But the move would erode the unique Ranger ethos and culturenot to mention the program's rigorous physical requirementsharming its core mission of cultivating leaders willing to sacrifice everything for our nation.
The Army's 75th Ranger Regiment traces its roots back to World War II, when it won acclaim for penetrating deep behind Japanese lines. Founded in 1950, Ranger School teaches combat soldiers small-unit tactics and leadership under extreme duress. It pushes men harder than any other program in the Army's curriculum.
Competition to attend the course is fierce, with about 4,000 men eligible to attend each year. Only about half graduate. Of those, only 20% make it through without having to retake various phases.
For decades, completion of Ranger School has been the best indicator for determining which young men can handle the enormous responsibility of combat leadership
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They already allow homosexuals and muslims. Why not women too?
It was a joke.
Sort of like this:
The teacher gave her fifth grade class an assignment: Get their parents to tell them a story with a moral at the end of it. The next day, the kids came back and, one by one, began to tell their stories. There were all the regular types of stuff: spilled milk and pennies saved. But then the teacher realized, much to her dismay, that only Janie was left.
"Janie, do you have a story to share?'
''Yes ma'am. My daddy told me a story about my Mommy.
She was a Marine pilot in Desert Storm, and her plane got hit. She had to bail out over enemy territory, and all she had was a flask of whiskey, a pistol, and a survival knife.
She drank the whiskey on the way down so the bottle wouldn't break, and then her parachute landed her right in the middle of 20 Iraqi troops.. She shot 15 of them with the pistol, until she ran out of bullets, killed four more with the knife, till the blade broke, and then she killed the last Iraqi with her bare hands.
''Good Heavens, said the horrified teacher. What did your Daddy tell you was the moral to this horrible story?
"Stay away from Mommy when she's been drinking."
I’ll take that as an admission that there’s not a chance in Hell you’d ever spray-paint any part of him.
It’s pretty obvious most of your other absurd little stories are jokes, too.
“It was a joke.”
It wasn’t presented as a joke. Don’t piss on my leg and try to tell me it is raining. You’re not the first little kid that came here trying to build a tough guy persona.
The only "mischaracterizing" that's going on here is yours.
Boy are these girls going to be disappointed.
This thread is filled with people telling stories of woman screw-ups in the military and even in a fire department. I personally know many women who served in the military honorably and professionally who were very competent. The attempt has been made here to paint them all with the same ugly brush and all because of the threat that the brass might open up ranger school to women. It is doubtful that many, if any women would even bother to attempt such a thing. I just don't like the direction this thread has taken with many people berating all female service members.
I would appreciate it if you would point out what “mischaracterizing” that I have done. I am not sure where you are coming from.
I don't see that the direction of this thread is "with many people berating all female service members". This thread is about women in Ranger School. Not women who serve in supportive roles.
By the way, my mother was a U.S. Navy WAVE in WWII. I'm very proud of her, partly because she wasn't in the business of denying physical realities, unlike some on this thread.
MSNBC is reporting the pentagon is considering modifying the Ranger patch to read Rangerettes directly under the traditional Ranger name, but in slightly smaller letters.
It somewhat surprises me that there are such antiquated opinions towards women in the Military. Presently with such high unemployment the Military can be very selective. Where I am in total agreement with possibly a majority of posters here, are quotas. I am against quotas. There need to be standards and those standards need to be met. If they are not met, then those candidates are not qualified. Now determining what those standards are and how to apply them can get political.
Having said all that, usually Military personnel are up on history. You would think they know how tough certain types of American women can be. For example, the Pioneers and indentured servants were the 1st Frontier Community Organizers. They were amazingly brave, tough, willful and in many cases successful. You mean to tell me now, all of a sudden a certain type of American Woman could not handle wars especially a war against the Jihadist culture? Especially when the Jihadist culture is such a threat to everything that is American including American Womanhood?
But here is may caveat. When I am talking about “a certain type of American Women”, I am talking about those who are not motivated by Free Education but by the challenge. And like you said there most likely would be just a handful of such women who are that motivated to be all that they can be, Rangers.
Yup, I'm paraphrasing the old Army slogan. : )
I’ve run into too many people like you here. All uptight. Chill. If you’re having a tough time, then stay out of my kitchen.
And at that point, the composition of the units in the fight is going to be very important, and it will be too late to do anything about it.”
1. I don't know too many 98 lb, women, unless you are talking about anorexic models.
2, You do realize women survive war, including civilian women who were victims of the very personal Allied bombings (nothing like watching liquid fire flowing down the air raid stairs in your direction, or buildings blowing up as you are collecting food and water, or Russians looking at you and saying, “Komm hier Fraulein.) and the Russian Occupation of Berlin. Gee, wonder how that happened? Be careful with your response, female members of my family will come after and I don't think the Marines will save you. ; )
3. As long as the Military weeds out the pansies and allows the American Trooper to be the American Trooper there will be hell to pay.
BTW, I think this little gal proves my point. Go Airborne!
Y’all owned the hear me roar slattern from down yonder
By her bravado my 12 year old Wade is a crack shot, fights like Marciano and lives to be in some guaranteed fighting unit some day
So why not now?
He’d make a great tunnel rat for sure....by same logic stupid women in combat sorts make here
Matt knows him....he can vouch for his tenacity.....Wade could also talk the enemy to death....just put him on some loudspeakers ala Noriega
Remote posting from Grayton Beach
Go Airborne! Imagine, the 82nd Airborne, the All American Airborne allows little female Pattons to represent them. Go figure!
“If youre having a tough time, then stay out of my kitchen.”
“Your kitchen”? Seriously? Grow up, stupid.
“It is doubtful that many, if any women would even bother to attempt such a thing.”
The same thing was said of jump school and look at the nasty turn that took. Why are women even in jump school if they are not combat qualified? Why is my tax payer dollars being spent on such nonsense?
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